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Jack's Health Status
by Jack Gilles 15 Sep '13

15 Sep '13

Margaret Scott here. jack seems to be pretty much over gall bladder and pancreatitis issues. I am still sitting by his hospital bed because there seems to be some additional infection and or condition that is causing a low grade fever and an elevated white count. We are currently waiting for the results of a new MRI, chest X-rays, and stool and blood tests. Things just took a turn today, so the docs are being absolutely thorough in eliminating possibilities and in figuring out what is going on. The nurse anticipates that he will be here two more days. So here is the number for the nurse's station: 406 - 863-3541. He will be enjoying calls! I'm also sure that you all are eager to know that Judy is doing exceedingly well. Thanks for all the caring messages you have showered on him! David and I join Jack in sending our best, Margaret Sent from my iPad

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Re: [Oe List ...] Jack's Health Status
by Del Morril 13 Sep '13

13 Sep '13

Since Justin has gotten an infection every time he's had surgery, and I got a serious one when recuperating in a rehab center (and we are informed hospitals and such centers are the worst for getting infections) keep a close eye on him. It took my daughters persistence to get Justin's doctors and nurses to pay attention to this very likely possibility. So glad you are there, Margaret. Everyone who enters a hospital needs to have an advocate if they want to leave the hospital in good shape. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor(a)wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) -----Original Message----- From: oe-bounces(a)lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jack Gilles Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 3:11 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: [Oe List ...] Jack's Health Status Margaret Scott here. jack seems to be pretty much over gall bladder and pancreatitis issues. I am still sitting by his hospital bed because there seems to be some additional infection and or condition that is causing a low grade fever and an elevated white count. We are currently waiting for the results of a new MRI, chest X-rays, and stool and blood tests. Things just took a turn today, so the docs are being absolutely thorough in eliminating possibilities and in figuring out what is going on. The nurse anticipates that he will be here two more days. So here is the number for the nurse's station: 406 - 863-3541. He will be enjoying calls! I'm also sure that you all are eager to know that Judy is doing exceedingly well. Thanks for all the caring messages you have showered on him! David and I join Jack in sending our best, Margaret Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net

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Operation Successful!
by Jack Gilles 13 Sep '13

13 Sep '13

Here's Margaret Scott, sitting on the edge of Jack Gilles' hospital bed, writing you on his behalf with lots of good news. The removal of the gall bladder went beautifully. The surgeon did find a stone lodged in the duct that must have arrived there since the MRI last week. So now on Thursday Jack will have a procedure that starts through his throat to get to that duct and fish out the stone. Meanwhile, he will be in the hospital because he can't eat until that stone is gone and so is on the intervenous drip. His spirits are those of "good ole Jack!" He says, "I will have my laptop tomorrow and will be able to communicate with you then. Hope you are all fine!" Best from both of us!

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9/12/13, Spong: Part II: The Gospel of Matthew. Exploring the Shadow of Moses in Matthew's Portrait of Jesus
by Ellie Stock 12 Sep '13

12 Sep '13

HOMEPAGE MY PROFILE ESSAY ARCHIVE MESSAGE BOARDS CALENDAR Part II: The Gospel of Matthew Exploring the Shadow of Moses in Matthew's Portrait of Jesus I return to Matthew’s gospel today to lay out the case for its basic Jewishness. As I suggested in the opening column in this series last week, we must see all the books of the New Testament as Jewish writings before we can properly begin to understand them. Matthew is by every measure the most Jewish of the four gospels. He was also writing this gospel to a community of Jesus’ followers who were themselves Jewish. That is why he could and did use in his narrative the symbols of his Jewish faith story and illustrations drawn from his Jewish world view. He wrote in the confidence that his readers would both understand these symbols and interpret them correctly. In the first decades of the Christian movement this primary meaning of Matthew’s gospel was universally understood. No one at that time could have or would have pretended that Matthew was writing literal history or recording as an eye-witness an event that actually happened. That misunderstanding, however, would arise near the middle of the 2nd century, by which time Christianity had become primarily a Gentile movement. Because they were now Gentile Christians meant that they were no longer conversant with the Jewish past or with Jewish symbols. They did not read the Jewish Scriptures, thinking that they had been superseded by the Christian writings. They no longer worshipped in synagogues. They were thus blind to the Jewish meanings incorporated into the text of this gospel. In addition to that their blindness had a second focus. By this time in Christian history, these Gentile Christians were so deeply infected with a virulent anti- Semitism, that they had no desire to understand anything Jewish. So the real and original meaning of this gospel was lost to them. Christianity had entered what I call its “Gentile Captivity,” which was destined to last until well into the 20th century when the first cracks in it began to appear. Having no other way to understand this gospel, they almost inevitably began to read Matthew as if it were a literally true biography of Jesus and they began to assume that Matthew’s narrative was intended to be read as literal history. That was when they made assumptions about this gospel that neither its author nor its original reading audience would ever have made. They suggested, for example, that there really was a star that traveled so slowly across the sky that wise men could keep up with it. They assumed that this star led the magi to find Jesus in Bethlehem. They assumed that since the sky was the roof separating heaven from earth, the way for God to send the Holy Spirit upon Jesus at his baptism was to open a hole in the roof to allow this divine invasion. They assumed that God literally spoke from beyond that sky to proclaim Jesus as his son, not recognizing that the divine words were actually lifted from Isaiah 42. They assumed that Jesus was literally tempted in a literal wilderness by a literal devil and that Jesus literally preached the Sermon on the Mount. None of these assumptions would ever have occurred to the original Jewish readers of Matthew’s gospel for they knew the Jewish background revealed in all of these narratives. My task in this series will be to open the minds of my readers to this background. In doing so I hope to make it clear that biblical fundamentalism is a Gentile Heresy! It was created out of Gentile ignorance about Jewish sacred writings. The fundamentalism with which the Christian church is plagued in the 21st century rises from the same source. Gentile literalism and biblical fundamentalism are not benign, they are deeply destructive of Christianity. That is a strong, but accurate charge and it cries out to be documented. In this column and throughout this series that will be my primary agenda. So let me begin with lesson one. The greatest hero in the Jewish faith story was Moses, so it should not be surprising that the life of Moses would be the template against which Jewish writers would tell the story of Jesus, and would thus serve as their primary clue in interpreting the life of Jesus. Surprisingly the name of Moses is not mentioned in Matthew until the 8th chapter of this gospel, but the shadow of Moses is present in every Jesus story. Moses makes his first silent appearance in the Matthean text in the birth narrative with which Matthew opens his gospel. Here Matthew tells us that when Jesus was born, a wicked king named Herod tried to kill him. The wise men had come to Herod’s palace seeking knowledge as to the birth place of the one they called “the King of the Jews.” A child born with such a title in the land of the Jews would be a direct threat to Herod’s throne, so Herod was not pleased. Herod conferred with his scribes and wise men as to where the new Jewish king was expected to be born and they discovered in the book of Micah what they believed was a prediction that the messiah must come out of Bethlehem, for he must be of the house of David. Herod then deputized the magi to return to him with a report of this new king’s identity and location: “so that I too might come and worship him.” Then Herod sent them on their way. The wise men in this story, however, were warned by God in a dream not to return to Herod and so they departed by another route. Herod was angered when he discovered that he had been duped and so he directed his solders to go to Bethlehem and there to kill all the boy babies up to two years of age in an attempt to destroy God’s new “promised deliverer.” Did any of this really happen? Of course not! That is a Moses story being retold about Jesus. When Moses was born, another wicked king named Pharaoh also moved to destroy all the Jewish boy babies, this time in Egypt, in a vain attempt to destroy God’s “promised deliverer.” Moses, that story tells us, was saved when his mother put him in a basket in the Nile River where he was later found by the Pharaoh’s daughter, who raised him as her son. The baby Jesus, like Moses, was also saved from his fate, when his father, Joseph, took him down to Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. This is not history, it is an interpretive narrative in the Jewish story-telling tradition. All of Matthew’s original Jewish readers would have recognized this fact when they heard this text read to them for they would have listened with Jewish ears and Jewish understanding. They recognized Matthew’s Jewish style of writing. Later, Gentile readers, devoid of this ability, began to treat the stories as if they were literally true. That is how fundamentalism was born. As Matthew’s story continued to unfold those who knew the Jewish Scriptures could still see Moses silently present in the background. Next Matthew told the story of Jesus’ baptism by bringing Jesus to the edge of the River Jordan. God’s power over water had long been a major theme of the Old Testament writers. That theme was illustrated most dramatically in the Exodus story where Moses was able to part the waters of the Red Sea so that the Jews could escape slavery in Egypt by walking across that sea on dry land. The tradition of splitting waters then became a recurring theme in the Old Testament. It was repeated in the life of Joshua, Moses’ successor, who split the waters of the flooded Jordan River so that the Jews could cross over on dry land and thus conquer the country that they claimed had been bequeathed to their ancestor Abraham. Later in the biblical narrative both Elijah and Elisha split the waters of the Jordan River so that they too could walk across on dry land. All of these traditions were in the mind of the author of Matthew’s gospel and of its first readers and that is why they recognized what Matthew was trying to communicate when he told this story. Look now at the details of the story of Jesus’ baptism with Jewish eyes. Matthew first took Jesus to the edge of the Jordan River. In this story Matthew was trying to communicate his conviction, and the convictions of his audience, that in Jesus there was a God-presence like unto none other, not even to the God presence in the greatest heroes of their faith story: Moses, Joshua, Elijah and Elisha. How did Matthew do this? Read his gospel! When Jesus stepped into the waters of the Jordan River, he did not split those waters. Anyone could do that! That had happened several times before. So Matthew’s Jesus does not split the waters of the Jordan, he splits the heavens! What were the heavens to the Jews? The creation story tells us that the sky, which that story calls the “firmament,” was originally designed to separate the waters above from the waters below. So Jesus is portrayed as stepping into the Jordan, but splitting the heavenly waters, which then flowed down on him as the Holy Spirit. “Living water” is always a Jewish synonym for the Holy Spirit. Matthew was saying that Jesus split the boundary between heaven and earth, between the human and the divine, and a voice from heaven then designated Jesus as God’s “unique” son. Here the divine is experienced in the human. Is this a literal account of the baptism of Jesus? Of course not! It is an interpretation of Jesus as the one in whom God was as uniquely present beyond any God presence the Jewish people had ever known. Both Matthew and his Jewish audience would have understood this message. No one would have been tempted to view this story as literal history. Only uninformed Gentiles, reading this story a few generations later, would begin to think this was a literal story. The shadow of Moses in Matthew’s story of Jesus does not end there, so, I will continue next week to probe Matthew’s gospel as he wrote it and as his first readers understood it. No one in the time when this gospel was written read or viewed it as literal history because they knew it wasn’t. Fundamentalism is the interpretive ignorance of those who do not understand that Matthew’s gospel was never meant to be a biography. It was designed to be an interpretive portrait painted by a Jewish artist to enable the meaning of Jesus to be grasped by his Jewish audience. As this story unfolds over subsequent weeks that will become abundantly clear. John Shelby Spong Read the essay online here. Question & Answer Gerald Van Es from Sioux Center, Iowa, writes: Question: I have enjoyed your books and essays and particularly enjoyed meeting you and hearing your recent lectures in Omaha, Nebraska. Many of your ideas resonate with me and make it possible for me to continue to consider myself a Christian. Something I struggle with, though, is how to continue to attend and receive inspiration from local church services. The services seem to have a lot of superficial, meaningless praise songs and seem to be focused on an external, supernatural God; those concepts just don’t work for me. I’m sure that in your travels, you have worshiped in many different settings. Have you found a way to get past things in church services you cannot agree with but still have a positive and inspirational experience? Answer: Dear Jerry, Thank you for your letter and your kind words. I enjoyed my time in Omaha, Nebraska, and am aware that there are at least two churches in that Midwestern city that I know I would be comfortable as a member and a worshiper. One is the Countryside Community Church, which is part of the United Church of Christ and the other is the First Methodist Church; both have gifted clergy leaders and a willingness on the part of the congregations to push the boundaries. The problem you speak of about church services is one I fully understand. That is the result of a church that reads the gospels that were written in the first century; recites the creeds that were composed in the fourth century and uses worship forms that were created in the 13th century. I do not reject any of these sources that feed modern worship, but I do reject the temptation to literalize scripture, creed or liturgy. Many churches do not get beyond the assumption that the gospels capture the ultimate truth of God, that the creeds completely define the truth of God and that the 13th century liturgy is somehow pleasing to God. Once these concepts are broken, then I think worship has a chance to grow. I do not feel a need to separate myself from the symbols of my Christian past, but I do feel the need not to be bound by them. The Bible is not the literal word of God. The creeds are not a girdle into which I have to force my flabby faith. The liturgy is not the music of heaven in which the angels join. All are symbols pointing beyond themselves to a mystery and a wonder that none of them can exhaust. I love attending my parish church, St. Peter’s in Morristown, New Jersey, for five primary reasons: 1. Our rector, Janet Broderick, uses the sermon to illuminate contemporary issues and contemporary life as they are viewed through the symbols of our Christian past. Preaching is not meant to be bound to the world of yesterday. 2. There is a powerful sense of community in this congregation that is based not on human uniformity or the forced conformity to any ideas. It is based rather on the depth of mutual caring for one another. All of us give and receive of that caring. This congregation has within it members and couples who are black, white and Asian, sometimes in the same family. We have gay and straight members and have been magnificently served in the recent past by an openly lesbian priest, the Rev. Melissa Hall, who was married to her partner and they are the parents of an adopted child of Asian descent. Our focus is on the quality of people’s lives and not on the external circumstances of their humanity, which we accept comes in a variety of forms. 3. This church offers an educational component that challenges both the Christian tradition and the modern rejection of that tradition. A church without a significant adult education program will not endure. The Church school is run quite professionally by Dee Klicker, a former elementary school principal. 4. The music at this church is exquisite. This includes not only the adult and children’s choirs, but also the incredible talent of our young organist, Joshua Stafford. Music speaks to my soul, even as it transcends the boundaries of time and relates me to the holy. 5. This church serves its community in a wide variety of ways, making them a force for good. This church serves meals to the homeless every week. During Hurricane Sandy when our area was without power for close to a month, this church, which somehow retained its power, offered itself as a warming center to cold people and as a recharging center for computers and iphones. Ultimately, as the pain from that storm wore on this church began to offer meals, free of charge, three times a day for the duration of the power outage. These meals were prepared by community and church volunteers, who accomplished this task with donated food from peoples’ and restaurants freezers or purchased with donated money. The community came together in St. Peter’s Church. Following the Newtown massacre, this church cooperated with the Morristown Police Department in a gun buy-back program and collected over 600 weapons, including assault rifles. These are just a few of the things that bind me so deeply and so happily to this church and to the Christianity it represents. I see Christianity lived out here with meaning. I hope this helps. John Shelby Spong Announcements IMPORTANT! We have moved offices and have a new support phone number! Please contact the Bishop Spong support at: 253-507-8678 We look forward to speaking with you! As always, you can also email us at: support(a)johnshelbyspong.com. Visit our Contact Us Page for more helpful links! Any questions or concerns, please contact us at support(a)johnshelbyspong.com or 253-507-8678. Copyright © 2013 ProgressiveChristianity.org, All rights reserved. You are receiving this email because you have a membership at johnshelbyspong.com. Our mailing address is: ProgressiveChristianity.org 708 Broadway Suite 105 Tacoma, WA 98402 Add us to your address book

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Delayed Broadcast Imaginal Education after 4pm CDT Chicago USA
by steve har 11 Sep '13

11 Sep '13

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Celebrate Jenny Wiegel's birthday tomorrow, September 12
by James Wiegel 11 Sep '13

11 Sep '13

Jenny was born in 1973 Jennywiegel(a)gmail.com Jim Wiegel “The bad news is you’re falling through the air, nothing to hang on to, no parachute. The good news is there’s no ground.” - Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353-2401 +1 623-363-3277 skype: jfredwiegel jfwiegel(a)yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com Upcoming public course opportunities: ToP Facilitation Methods, Sept 17-18, 2013 ToP Strategic Planning, Nov 5-6, 2013 The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday of each month 1-4 pm Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Current program began on Nov 14-16, 2012 See short video http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55 and website for further details. AICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP courses

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Re: [Oe List ...] Operation Successful!
by Jayandem2＠aol.com 10 Sep '13

10 Sep '13

Glad to hear that our old Cleveland colleague is doing so well! Hang in there, good friend! Grace and Peace and Love, Mike and Judith and family In a message dated 9/10/2013 2:09:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jackcgilles(a)gmail.com writes: Here's Margaret Scott, sitting on the edge of Jack Gilles' hospital bed, writing you on his behalf with lots of good news. The removal of the gall bladder went beautifully. The surgeon did find a stone lodged in the duct that must have arrived there since the MRI last week. So now on Thursday Jack will have a procedure that starts through his throat to get to that duct and fish out the stone. Meanwhile, he will be in the hospital because he can't eat until that stone is gone and so is on the intervenous drip. His spirits are those of "good ole Jack!" He says, "I will have my laptop tomorrow and will be able to communicate with you then. Hope you are all fine!" Best from both of us! _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net

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Fall Sojourn Collegium Invitation Wednesday at 12 noon CDT Chicago September 11
by steve har 10 Sep '13

10 Sep '13

Please join us for a live broadcast on the Fall Sojourn YouTube Channel at this location https://www.youtube.com/user/fallsojourn2013 Elise Packard and Kaye Hayes will present a collegium on the subject Imaginal Education Then and Now. You can view the presentation slides in advance at: Imaginal Education Slides for viewing online<https://docs.google.com/file/d/1BIoYHZqnwX5yh7m-cJ2_WpFAOEp6aepsT1kTHJDKJqq…> -- Tim Wegner & Steve Harrington for the Fall Sojourn Team

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Re: [Oe List ...] Operation Successful!
by LAURELCG＠aol.com 10 Sep '13

10 Sep '13

Still praying until that last obstruction is gone. Image of the Rock in the Road. Blessings, Jann McGuire In a message dated 9/10/2013 11:09:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jackcgilles(a)gmail.com writes: Here's Margaret Scott, sitting on the edge of Jack Gilles' hospital bed, writing you on his behalf with lots of good news. The removal of the gall bladder went beautifully. The surgeon did find a stone lodged in the duct that must have arrived there since the MRI last week. So now on Thursday Jack will have a procedure that starts through his throat to get to that duct and fish out the stone. Meanwhile, he will be in the hospital because he can't eat until that stone is gone and so is on the intervenous drip. His spirits are those of "good ole Jack!" He says, "I will have my laptop tomorrow and will be able to communicate with you then. Hope you are all fine!" Best from both of us! _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net

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Global Buzz
by John & Robyn Hutchinson 10 Sep '13

10 Sep '13

Global Buzz 2011 10 01Dear colleagues, As with Wind and Waves, we are sending the Buzz on for your interest and information. We understand this will mean double posting for some. Peter Ellins in Canada manages the distribution list for both the Wind and Waves and the Buzz. From now on Peter will send the monthly Buzz to these two listserves. All ICAs and individuals are invited to send a brief report to Peter to be included in the next issue. We particularly recommend this Buzz below as it contans very comprehensive reports on the Regional meetings of the ICA and many country reports. The ICAI Communications team is working on the intersection, (in terms of content and purpose and readership), between the Global Buzz (brief reports) and Wind and Waves magazine (stories and in-depth focus). Your comments are, of course, welcome. best wishes, Robyn Hutchinson, member of communications team ----- Original Message ----- From: ICA International To: rjhutchinson(a)optusnet.com.au Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 1:46 AM Subject: Global Buzz Click here to view this email as a web page Enjoy catching up with what is happening in ICAs across the globe.....If you wish to SEND a report...send to your ICA contact person OR...go to the members section on the ICA International website Please click the link below for the September issue of the Global Buzz Global Buzz Report: 2013 09 01 ICAI Communications

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