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Do Good Intentions Make Up for Collateral Damage?
by David Marshall 08 Dec '25

08 Dec '25

Former Order: Ecumenical & Ecumencal Institute Colleagues, Early IRON BOY readers (paperback & ebook published on Amazon on 6/15/25) have asked me about this. In response, I just published my CULTS article on Substack. I imagine this will rub some folks on both sides of the aisle the wrong way, but it's my truth. It's too long (five pages) to publish here or on Facebook, so if you read it and have comments, you can either do so on Substack or on this more private thread. Thank you.[image: Instagram-Cults-Image_6-28-25.jpg] https://open.substack.com/pub/marshallbooks/p/can-cults-still-do-good-work?…

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Gene W. Marshall's Zoom Memorial Service on Saturday, September 20, 12 Noon Central
by David Marshall 15 Sep '25

15 Sep '25

Order: Ecumenical, EI, & ICA Colleagues, We would like to invite you to the online memorial service of Gene Wesley Marshall, our father of 61 to 71 years and our step-mom Joyce's husband of almost 50 years, on September 20, 12 noon Central. Please click on the link below to register, so we can see who's coming. It will last 60-90 minutes, with a little formal structure to begin followed by attendee contributions. https://kaizen-marketing.com/gene-marshall-memorial Grace, Peace, & Love, Wayne, David, Kathy, and Teresa Marshall Joyce Marshall

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Death of Joy Warner
by Herman Greene 05 Sep '25

05 Sep '25

Joy Warner, my first wife of seventeen years and Order member from 1967-1975, died peacefully last night at 8:27 pm Mountain time after an extended illness with Alzheimer's. Her second husband, Richard Kruch, predeceased her. She is survived by our two sons who both live in Denver as she did; Nathan who is married to Abby and has a nearly 13 year old daughter, Risa, and a 10 year old son, Desi. Brendan who is newly divorced and has an 8 year old daughter Luzia. If you care to get in touch with either, Nathan he seldom uses email, his mobile number for texts and calls is (720) 448-0183 <+17204480183>, and Brendan's email is ilmacizo(a)gmail.com and his mobile number is (919) 360-2920. Joy had a great spirit. She loved working with children and taught in special ed for around thirty-five years in Denver. While we were divorced we co-parented and were friends. I am filled with sorrow at her passing. Herman -- __________________________________________________ Herman F. Greene 2516 Winningham Road Chapel Hill, NC 27516 919-480-0787 (c) hfgreenenc(a)gmail.com

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Gratitude
by ballardica＠gmail.com 05 Sep '25

05 Sep '25

Hello, We stand in deep gratitude for the lives and dedication of Gene and Larry. Giants as teachers and spirit gurus, they allowed the order to learn and grow. How we have benefitted from their gifts, so freely offered. Words are so inadequate.. We send profound sympathy and love to their families and friends. In thanksgiving, Jack and Louise Ballard

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Re: [Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 159, Issue 15
by zbarley＠earthlink.net 01 Sep '25

01 Sep '25

Sent using myEarthLink On Sun Jun 22 13:22:09 EDT 2025 Paula Philbrook via OE wrote: I think when the replication projects began ‘76 ish, George Walters had the idea to make replicas for each location. George & I were assigned to 5th City at the time. I drove to someplace in Chicago and picked up the statues. They were then distributed at the next Council. We also had lapel pens made at some point. The iron man in Fifth City was drawn by ??? (Maybe Jean) Lewis. She & her husband were in Order Community in the west side in mid/late 60’s. I have a statue in my living room. It is the one my Dad had & we took it to the shop for the guy make the copies. One of my daughter’s first tattoo was the Iron Man perhaps Iron we need a gender neutral name. Paula Personal Mission Statement: I nurture love, peace & harmony in every situation for my caring family, disempowered communities, and our precious planet. On Sun, Jun 22, 2025 at 11:29 AM David Marshall via OE < oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > wrote: > Where’s IM Waldo? These mini Iron Man statues may be artifacts. If only one was made per Religious House, then there were only 50-100 of them in circulation then, and surely fewer now. I wonder how my dad got a hold of the one from the Wichita RH. He didn’t have any connection to that house, but since we joined the Order in Evanston in 1962 from Olathe, Kansas, not far from Wichita, it seems oddly appropriate for this one to have landed with the Marshall clan. Collectors items from an OE bygone era. 😊 > > Sent from my iPhone > David Marshall > > > > (http://www.marshallbooks.net)> www.marshallbooks.net (http://www.marshallbooks.net) > > > > > > > On Jun 22, 2025, at 9:06 AM, Sunny Walker via OE < > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Re the religious house iron men statues, I believe I have the Denver one. I never realized the RH name was on it! Now I have to see where it went (it was in my living room until recently when I was redoing a lot of things). So many things, so rich a history we share. I had RS-I in April 1971 and recruited many more in the next several years. > > > > Sunny Walker > > She/her/hers > > On Arapaho, Cheyenne, Núu-agha-tʉvʉ-pʉ̱ (Ute), and Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux) tribal land > > > > Certified Facilitator (Also Certified ToP Facilitator) > > ToP Methods Mentor Trainer - Upcoming Courses (https://www.top-training.net/w/) > > Virtual Facilitation Collaborative Senior Facilitator > > > > > > > > (mailto:sunny.sunwalker@gmail.com)> > sunny.sunwalker(a)gmail.com (mailto:sunny.sunwalker@gmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > (tel:3035873017)> > 303-587-3017 (tel:3035873017) > > > > > > > > For diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging inquiries: > > > > > > > > (mailto:sunny@diversityinnovators.com)> > sunny(a)diversityinnovators.com (mailto:sunny@diversityinnovators.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > (http://www.diversityinnovators.com)> > www.diversityinnovators.com (http://www.diversityinnovators.com) > > > > > > > > For virtual facilitation inquiries: > > > > > > > > (mailto:sunny@virtualfacilitationcollaborative.com)> > sunny(a)virtualfacilitationcollaborative.com (mailto:sunny@virtualfacilitationcollaborative.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > (http://www.virtualfacilitationcollaborative.com)> > www.virtualfacilitationcollaborative.com (http://www.virtualfacilitationcollaborative.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 21, 2025 at 9:10 AM Cheryl via OE < > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > wrote: > > > I learned the key elements of RS-1 in the Leadership Options program developed by George & (Keith) Elise Packard, Jan Ames and others in the early 90's. I later became part of the LO training team, with the hope of expanding its locations, which we found difficult to do. > > > > > > Later on, John Cock led an effort with others to refine and redevelop the RS-I into the Profound Journey Dialogue. I became part of that team also, but it was challenging to market it to a broader audience. I know the new format was taught many times, each in different cities. I know it was taught at least twice in MN. I would need to check on the dates. > > > > > > All Good Wishes, > > > Cheryl Kartes, Mpls, MN > > > > > > > > > > From: OE < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > > oe-bounces(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > > > on behalf of Debra Harris via OE < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 6:36:58 PM > > > > To: Order Ecumenical Community < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: Debra Harris < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:quantum1135@yahoo.com)> > > > quantum1135(a)yahoo.com (mailto:quantum1135@yahoo.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today > > > > > > > > When was the last RS-1 taught? Did it vary depending on the area? And was it taught in Canada or any other nations? > > > > > > > > Of course the concepts of RS-1 were embedded into ITI and HDTP, as well as the Academy. However, the Turn to the World necessitated a reformulation, to broaden language & context for a variety of cultures & faith traditions- though the fundamental concepts were universal. > > > > > > > > Debra Harris-Watson > > > > Houston > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 20, 2025 at 08:30:14 PM CDT, < > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe-request@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > oe-request(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe-request@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Send OE mailing list submissions to > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > > > > > > > > > > (http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net)> > > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > > > > > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe-request@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > oe-request(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe-request@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe-owner@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > oe-owner(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe-owner@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > > than "Re: Contents of OE digest..." > > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > 1. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (David Marshall) > > > 2. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (Susan Fertig) > > > 3. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (Debra Harris) > > > 4. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (Susan Fertig) > > > 5. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (James Wiegel) > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 13:08:33 -0700 > > > From: David Marshall < > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:davidpaulmarshall1956@gmail.com)> > > davidpaulmarshall1956(a)gmail.com (mailto:davidpaulmarshall1956@gmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > To: Order Ecumenical Community < > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > > > > Cc: James Wiegel < > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com)> > > jfwiegel(a)yahoo.com (mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com) > > > > > > >, Debra Harris > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:quantum1135@yahoo.com)> > > quantum1135(a)yahoo.com (mailto:quantum1135@yahoo.com) > > > > > > >, Order Ecumenical Community > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today > > > Message-ID: < > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:08E94D58-27F0-4A53-A4F9-370C0EF94081@gmail.com)> > > 08E94D58-27F0-4A53-A4F9-370C0EF94081(a)gmail.com (mailto:08E94D58-27F0-4A53-A4F9-370C0EF94081@gmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > > URL: < > > > > > > > > > > > > (http://lists.wedgeblade.net/pipermail/oe-wedgeblade.net/attachments/2025062…)> > > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/pipermail/oe-wedgeblade.net/attachments/2025062… > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 2 > > > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 21:35:37 +0000 > > > From: Susan Fertig < > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:sfertig@blueskytech.us)> > > sfertig(a)blueskytech.us (mailto:sfertig@blueskytech.us) > > > > > > > > > > To: Order Ecumenical Community < > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today > > > Message-ID: > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:BY5PR14MB33011930DA254F638EC8B740CF7CA@BY5PR14MB3301.namprd14.prod.outlook.com)> > > BY5PR14MB33011930DA254F638EC8B740CF7CA(a)BY5PR14MB3301.namprd14.prod.outlook.com (mailto:BY5PR14MB33011930DA254F638EC8B740CF7CA@BY5PR14MB3301.namprd14.prod.outlook.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > > David, I took my RS-1 the first time in 1971. It was very much still available. > > > > > > Susan > > > > > > Susan Fertig-Dykes > > > > > > And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought . Isaiah 58:11 > > > > > > From: OE < > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > oe-bounces(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > On Behalf Of David Marshall via OE > > > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 4:09 PM > > > To: Order Ecumenical Community < > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > > > > Cc: David Marshall < > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:davidpaulmarshall1956@gmail.com)> > > davidpaulmarshall1956(a)gmail.com (mailto:davidpaulmarshall1956@gmail.com) > > > > > > >; Order Ecumenical Community < > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today > > > > > > Whoops, that last message about Order Kids? structures was meant for Wesson. As an OE listserv newbie, I?m still trying to navigate. > > > > > > Responding to Debra?s comment, that?s one of the reasons I was compelled to write IRON BOY, to give a first-hand account from a child?s and teenager?s perspective from the beginning. Many friends, family, co-works and history buffs over multiple generations have heard about those early days in the Order, but I suspect much of it was second-, third-, or fourth-hand. It?s like playing Telephone as a kid. By the time the secret sentence whispered in each year gets to the end of the line, it?s a far cry from what the original child said. > > > > > > Another motivator for me: I wondered how many folks who joined the ICA in the 1970s and later ever knew what RS-1 was or could measure its direct or indirect impact for themselves if it was not longer available. Many readers may be surprised that an RS-1 primer is embedded inside IRON BOY for that very reason, albeit from an 11-year-old?s perspective. Many EI/ICA alumni may still ask today how much of RS-1 could be understood by a child or teenager. I?ll attempt to answer that in a listserv post this coming weekend. > > > > > > David, Moraga, CA > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > David Marshall > > > > > > > > > > > > (http://www.marshallbooks.net)> > > www.marshallbooks.net (http://www.marshallbooks.net) > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > (http://www.marshallbooks.net)> > > http://www.marshallbooks.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 19, 2025, at 7:38?PM, Debra Harris via OE < > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > <mailto: > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > ? I ordered it on Kindle and just started reading it- thank you David for your perspective and insights. > > > > > > I encountered and joined the Order in 1984 when I was 26 and often wondered what is was like to grow up in the Order, especially in the earlier years. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Debra Harris Watson > > > Houston > > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone< > > > > > > > > > > > > (https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_…)> > > https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 19, 2025, 7:26 PM, James Wiegel via OE < > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > <mailto: > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > They weren't very big . . . > > > > > > Jim Wiegel < > > > > > > > > > > > > (http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/)> > > http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (geo:0,0?q=401+North+Beverly+Way%2C+Tolleson%2C+Arizona+85353)> > > 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 (geo:0,0?q=401+North+Beverly+Way%2C+Tolleson%2C+Arizona+85353) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (tel:6233633277)> > > 623-363-3277 (tel:6233633277) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com)> > > jfwiegel(a)yahoo.com (mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com) > > > > > > <mailto: > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com)> > > marilyn.oyler(a)gmail.com (mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (http://www.partnersinparticipation.com)> > > www.partnersinparticipation.com (http://www.partnersinparticipation.com) > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > (http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/)> > > http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 19, 2025 at 12:32:46 PM MST, Richard Alton via OE < > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > <mailto: > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't remember having an Iron Man statue in the houses I was in.. but it was a long time ago. > > > Dick > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 19, 2025 at 2:29?PM ML Jones via OE < > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > <mailto: > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > Yes David, There was an Iron Man statue in every Religious House. Congratulations on your book. I have ordered it, Mary Laura Jones > > > > > > Mary Laura Jones > > > Grants Resource Development Consultant > > > 53599 Pulver Road (https://www.google.com/maps/search/53599+Pulver+Road+Three+Rivers,+MI+49093…) > > > Three Rivers, MI 49093 (https://www.google.com/maps/search/53599+Pulver+Road+Three+Rivers,+MI+49093…) > > > > > > cell: > > > > > > > > > (tel:7736362022)> > > 773 636-2022 (tel:7736362022) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:mljones2022@gmail.com)> > > mljones2022(a)gmail.com (mailto:mljones2022@gmail.com) > > > > > > <mailto: > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:mljones2022@gmail.com)> > > mljones2022(a)gmail.com (mailto:mljones2022@gmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2025 at 4:01?AM David Marshall via OE < > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > <mailto: > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > Dear Former Order Colleagues & Friends, > > > > > > > > > Sunday ?House Church? Blastoff! (Father?s Day - appropriate launch day since Order fathers loom large in this book) > > > > > > IRON BOY is officially for sale today on Amazon as both a paperback and e-book. > > > > > > The Iron Man statue is still alive and well in Fifth City sixty years later. In 2021, I visited Chicago with my wife, daughter, son, and their partners, and we all went to visit Fifth City and the Iron Man?they for the first time. Attached are some photos, of me in front of the Iron Man with the Program Center in the background where I took part of the Academy, the still-running ?Iron Man Can? Fifth City Preschool, and my old elementary school, now renamed Leif Ericson Scholastic Academy. > > > > > > Also a vintage wintertime Iron Man statue photo that I used for the front cover of IRON BOY. > > > > > > And finally a little artifact from that era I just received. I visited my 93-year old dad Gene and 91-year-old step-mom Joyce in Texas recently, and they gave me this seven-inch-tall metal Iron Man statute that they had picked up along the way from the Wichita Religious House. Did all the Religious Houses have one? > > > > > > When I raise up my hands like the Iron Man, I think of these words from the Order song, ?Free, free, free to decide, what this world is going to be.? We've still got a lot of work to do! > > > > > > Much appreciation for putting up with my 10-week House Church countdown to IRON BOY?s debut. If you read it, or share it with others, please let me know the impact. You can obtain both the paperback and e-book now on Amazon, and through other bookstores soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (https://www.amazon.com/IRON-BOY-Searching-Freedom-Religious/dp/B0FCMMVHDC)> > > https://www.amazon.com/IRON-BOY-Searching-Freedom-Religious/dp/B0FCMMVHDC > > > > > > > > > > > > Grace & Peace, > > > > > > David Marshall, > > > > > > > > > > > > (http://www.marshallbooks.net)> > > www.marshallbooks.net (http://www.marshallbooks.net) > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > (http://www.marshallbooks.net)> > > http://www.marshallbooks.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OE mailing list > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > <mailto: > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net)> > > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OE mailing list > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > <mailto: > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net)> > > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Richard H. 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Just made this little video and wanted to share it
by Milan Hamilton 28 Aug '25

28 Aug '25

Watched a YouTube Nate Hagens this morning with Stephen Jenkinson, someone who has spent a career sitting with people and their families through the dying process. It brought up the subject of grief as a practice in a culture that is saturated with denying death. Woody Allen said once: "Death isn't so bad. I just don't want to be there when it happens." So here is the link to my YouTube song: "In the Warm Corner." https://youtu.be/63oFEeEKSh0 -- Mellow Milan Hamilton 80 North Center Street Redlands, CA 92373 Phone: (909) 943-1667 email: mellowmilan2(a)gmail.com

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Saying good bye to Gene and Larry and Joy.
by Isobel and Jim Bishop 27 Aug '25

27 Aug '25

Dear friends, Thank you Michael for posting the Knowing The Unknowable. I found it very comforting, in it's own way. I was happy to see my friends, Gene, Brian and Jack once more too. I wrote to Herman earlier to express my condolences over the death of Joy. She was a beautiful young woman and I felt I came to know her even though I don’t remember actually working with her. I wrote to Gene when he retired from Realistic Living in early January this year. Jim and I have been subscribers for umpteen years, I forget how long now. I remember Gene so well here in Australia, when he came down to teach the Academy here in a north west suburb of Sydney. He was much loved as a spirit person and managed to straddle the no longer and the not yet very creatively. I grieve his passing on, yet know he is resting and has left a legacy of good thoughts in all his writings. The book David has written has been a blessing to me, and gave so many insights into Gene as a human being. I was very fond of Gene. What a gift David has given us. My family are all reading David’s book. For Larry, I would like to say that over the years we corresponded on Facebook- what a beautiful human being he was as he grew in inner silence and stillness. I was with Dianne Greenwald at the Local Community Convocation in Atlanta- the LCC was held in a classroom in a School in a poor part of Atlanta. I have often thought of the joy of that occasion, as I watched the all black participants wrestling with the contradictions in the workshop. I had never seen such righteous anger and passion as the group almost came to fisticuffs over stating what they all wanted to say about the contradictions. I remember on the flight back to Chicago Larry was at times very quiet, and then he would burst into laughter. Dear Milan, I so much enjoyed your poem, thank you. It is now almost 21 months since Jim died. I am walking daily with grief, and yet lately I have had the most extraordinary experiences of Jim being present in my dreams, dressed as he always was, and talking to me, to encourage me. I have had a strength and felt a deep purpose to live life abundantly. My three adult family and 5 grandchildren have been a constant presence and each one gifts me with their own gift. After the years of separation and deep trauma mentioned by others in previous posts, I am truly grateful to God or Being or the Unknowable. I pray every day for you all, and for your country. It seems Australia is growing up and turning in a different direction from our long held dependence on your country. Our Prime Minister is forging a more independent alignment with different countries, and it is an important time to be an observer! With my love and sent with peace in my heart and grace that we all will continue to journey on, while we have breath. Isobel Bishop Isobel Bishop isobeljimbish(a)optusnet.com.au

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Fwd: [co-wy-oi] Fwd: TUESDAY: Join Our 7-Day Ceremony to Honor Dr. Larry Ward
by Dianne Greenwald 25 Aug '25

25 Aug '25

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On the Subject of Death and Dying
by Milan Hamilton 24 Aug '25

24 Aug '25

We watched a podcast last weekend by our "climate mentor" Nate Hagens interviewing Stephen Jenkinson, author of Die Wise: A manifesto for Sanity and Soul (2015), who quipped during the conversation "Yeah, everybody knows that somebody else is dying." The discussion centered on our culture's baked in way of (not) dealing seriously with death and grief as deep experience (different from loss of someone or something and moving on). This of course brought up our history in the Order: Ecumenical. Then to be smacked up against THREE of US making that transition in mystery in the same week! Will our grieving be able to honor them? Will our grieving for the earth and her beings be up to the task. Or will we just be sorry for the loss of them and move on? I offer the following poem from our common library on the subject of death and dying, and one I wrote in response to the quote I mentioned. dying is fine)but Death <https://allpoetry.com/dying-is-fine)but-Death> e. e. cummings, 9written 1931, published 19350 dying is fine)but Death ?o baby i wouldn't like Death if Death were good:for when(instead of stopping to think)you begin to feel of it,dying 's miraculous why?be cause dying is perfectly natural;perfectly putting it mildly lively(but Death is strictly scientific & artificial & evil & legal) we thank thee god almighty for dying (forgive us,o life!the sin of Death “I’m not afraid of death; I just don’t want to be there when it happens.” – Woody Allen *Everybody Knows* “Everybody knows that everybody else is dying.” – Stephen Jenkinson *Written after listening to Leonard Cohen’s 1988 release he wrote with Sharon Robinson* Everybody knows That everybody else is dying Everybody knows That the planet is frying Everybody knows That everybody else ain’t trying Everybody knows The grim reaper is smiling Everybody knows That there is no buy-in Everybody knows That everybody else is lying Everybody knows That somebody’s crying Everybody knows There’s no use in sighing Everybody knows That *EVERY-BODY ELSE* is dying Everybody knows Everybody knows Everybody knows Everybody knows Everybody knows Everybody knows . . . Milan Hamilton August 19, 2025 Here is a link to the poem put to music and published on my YouTube channel as part of my offering to our grieving and honoring process: https://youtu.be/mbW87WBsObY -- Mellow Milan Hamilton 80 North Center Street Redlands, CA 92373 Phone: (909) 943-1667 email: mellowmilan2(a)gmail.com

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Gene Wesley Marshall Passing - Re: Fwd: The Ben Ball Letter on behalf of GWM and all of us.
by David Marshall 22 Aug '25

22 Aug '25

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