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more on that Bonhoeffer movie
by W. J. 24 Nov '24

24 Nov '24

I still haven't seen the movie, but a few of us have. Here's my response to a private email from one colleague:Marshall D**, I'm guessing from your description that the screenplay was not the result of any in-depth study of Bonhoeffer's life or his theology. I bet the screenwriter didn't even bother to read Eberhard Bethge's biography.What I think he did is to create a cartoon Bonhoeffer character by superimposing the skeletal outline of Bonhoeffer's life onto a thriller movie framework.Leaving out the nuances and agonizing complexities of Bonhoeffer's ethical dilemmas as a pacifist.I'm not shocked that this cartoon version of Bonhoeffer has him wishing to "tear down the institutional church." I think the real Bonhoeffer's life was more profoundly nuanced than that kind of statement. His Life Together and The Cost of Discipleship were written while he supervised the underground seminary at Finkenwalde for students who were preparing to serve the dissenting Confessing Church that opposed the official German Church coalition that embraced Hitler. His focus on a "religionless Christianity" is a rejection of the 'smells and bells' and medieval belief system Luther inherited from Catholicism in favor of a radical immersion in the secular life of the world.And also a radical following of Jesus rather than middle class cultural norms.Something like the monastic life of seminary students at Finkenwalde. Or maybe the O:E. Although Bonhoeffer never abandoned his upper-class entitlement to a rich, privileged life. I believe that the real Dietrich was in love with his young student Eberhard, who was the beneficiary of his will. Dietrich reluctantly became engaged to marry the much younger Maria Von Wedemeyer only after her grandmother relentlessly pushed her on him and only after Eberhard got engaged to Dietrich's niece Renate.I don't get the sense that he was ever hot to make love with Maria. Perhaps their experience of 'true love' was always from an emotional distance, especially after Dietrich's arrest just three months after their announcement. There were letters and supervised visits. That's all.After both became engaged, Dietrich wrote to Eberhard, imagining that Now, we can resume our partnership, and we can travel together in those places where we found so much joy, and we can leave our wives back in Germany, in Berlin, or some place. In other words, they both acquired beards, and Dietrich longed to renew and pursue their spiritual friendship as 'soul mates' or whatever they decided to call it. But Eberhard was never willing to venture below the belt (as far as we can tell).I'm not at all sure that Dietrich was ever willing to go there, much as he may have longed to do just that. He wrote in prison that he would die a virgin.But since Eberhard's whole life was about Dietrich--especially as his martyred mentor and forever lost lover--how hard is it to understand the depth of his love in return?At least that's my version of Bonhoeffer. Now I'll have to see the damn movie!Marshall Dietrich Bonhoeffer Was Flamingly Gay-- Deal With It Links in the message (1) | | | One More Post on the “Gay” Bonhoeffer | | | | Dietrich Bonhoeffer Was Flamingly Gay--... |

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Re: [Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 152, Issue 11 1. Ye old Order kid now on a new adventure... (Daniel Bigelow)
by Richard and Maria Maguire 22 Nov '24

22 Nov '24

Wow! very colorful and imaginative. Looks like you done a lot o things and I imagine this website will lead to more. Thanks for sharing this with us. Richard Maguire On 16/11/2024 8:01 am, oe-request(a)lists.wedgeblade.net wrote: > 1. Ye old Order kid now on a new adventure... (Daniel Bigelow)

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a Bonhoeffer turkey for Thanksgiving
by W. J. 22 Nov '24

22 Nov '24

I rarely comment here on Bonhoeffer, but hey, I've been triggered by this new flick that I have yet to see!My very sharp-eyed, opinionated take on the new Bonhoeffer movie’s release date right after the election:Angel Studios bought the distribution rights and held the release of the film for a year until this weekend to take advantage of how Trumpism has aroused a passionate electorate, especially among evangelical Christians who have read the Metaxas biography Bonhoeffer: Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy on which it is based.The election outcome was intended to be a ‘kicker’ to promote the movie. A Trump win would reinforce the “true believer” syndrome among Christian Nationalist Trump voters who could claim God’s blessing on a political victory that could justify their desire for “retribution” focused by the Metaxas' quote: “Biden is our Hitler”.A Trump loss could lead to the misuse of Bonhoeffer to justify armed violence—an outcome specifically rejected by the movie’s cast who object to the political use of a false analogy to Bonhoeffer’s life. Angel Studios also intends to attract some Christians to use the Bonhoeffer movie as their context to view Trump as “America’s Hitler” (in the words of J.D. Vance) or “the Anti-Christ” (in the words of Matthew Fox) and celebrate their ‘Christian’ victory over evil in case Trump lost.Or to justify protesting or resisting another Trump administration or even to justify further political violence or assassination attempts.Bottom line: Angel Studios appears to be exacerbating political divisiveness in the Christian community. As though they are more about profits than prophets.I enjoyed reading the Metaxas Bonhoeffer biography. Though I strongly object to Metaxas’ arrogant self-promotion among Christian Nationalists as a Bonhoeffer expert. As do ALL of the real Bonhoeffer scholars in academia.I’m obviously NOT a real Bonhoeffer scholar, though I did write a lot of theological papers on Bonhoeffer in the seminary where he paced the halls while making his fateful decision to leave his American ‘safe harbor’ and return to Nazi Germany in 1939.I gave up on the idea of making THE Bonhoeffer movie myself after another filmmaker made a documentary about Bonhoeffer’s life in 1984.Here’s what Wikipedia says about the new Bonhoeffer film:“Bonhoeffer caused controversy before its release. In addition to numerous historical inaccuracies and misleading marketing, the film was accused of promoting viewpoints of the Christian right."Descendants of Dietrich Bonhoeffer distanced themselves from the film.”Further, “In the German weekly Die Zeit, experts on Bonhoeffer, including presidents of the International Bonhoeffer Society and the publishers of Bonhoeffer's work in German and English, accuse the movie of abusing Bonhoeffer's life in order to promote Christian Nationalism. The film's slogan, ‘How far will you go to stand up for what's right?’, is not a question Bonhoeffer asked, they write. On the same page of Die Zeit, Bonhoeffer's grandnephew Tobias Korenke calls ads for the film that depict Bonhoeffer holding a pistol an outrageous reversal of history.”So I wonder whether this Bonhoeffer film is a real turkey delivered just in time for Thanksgiving.Read these articles for deeper insights into how the Christian Nationalists have misrepresented Bonhoeffer's ethical perplexities and turned him into their cult figure:The new Bonhoeffer movie isn’t just bad. It’s dangerous.‘Bonhoeffer’ Bears Little Resemblance to Reality - Christianity TodayAnd feel free to share your own personal insights into how Bonhoeffer's ethics have informed your personal ethical perplexities.Or just go ahead and see the movie. While keeping your theological eyes open and with your critical intelligence intact.Happy Thanksgiving! With or without this turkey.Marshall Links in the message (6) | | | The new Bonhoeffer movie isn’t just bad... | | | | STATEMENT: Lead Actors in "Bonhoeffer: ... | | | x.com | | | | Trump & The MAGA Movement as Anti-Chris... | | | | JD Vance once compared Trump to Hitler.... | | | | ‘Bonhoeffer’ Bears Little Resemblance t... |

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Words to song Believe
by Elsa Bengel 21 Nov '24

21 Nov '24

Can you post the words? Elsa Sent from Gmail Mobile

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The song Believe
by Nancy Lanphear 20 Nov '24

20 Nov '24

Greetings from Songaia Does anyone remember who wrote the words. It’s the song we sing to the Sloop John B. We sang it tonight before our community dinner and I shared the story of the many songs the Lanphears, Crows and Coffmans (Patricia Newkirk) brought to Songsia those 35 years ago. I’d love to hear about the author. Nancy

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Winds of Change
by Nancy Lanphear 19 Nov '24

19 Nov '24

I found the words with the newer title, Create the new Way. Tune: Find a Wheel. Nancy Begin forwarded message: > From: Nancy Lanphear <nancylanphear(a)gmail.com> > Date: November 19, 2024 at 2:58:58 PM PST > To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> > Subject: Re: The song Believe > > Does anyone have the words to Winds of Change. We Lanphears were part of the word composition of this song one windy, rainy, night in Amarillo in the mid - 70s. I cannot find the words anywhere. Nancy > >> On Nov 18, 2024, at 7:01 PM, Nancy Lanphear <nancylanphear(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Greetings from Songaia Does anyone remember who wrote the words. It’s the song we sing to the Sloop John B. >> We sang it tonight before our community dinner and I shared the story of the many songs the Lanphears, Crows and Coffmans (Patricia Newkirk) brought to Songsia those 35 years ago. I’d love to hear about the author. Nancy

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Robin Wall Kimmerer's new book: The Serviceberry
by Ellie Stock 19 Nov '24

19 Nov '24

Subject: Robin Wall Kimmerer's new book: The Serviceberry Hi Folks, In case you haven’t read or heard about Kimmerer’s new book on creating an ecological economy which is being released today, below is a link to her audio recording. The Serviceberry: An Economy of Abundance – Robin Wall Kimmerer Ellie :)elliestock@aol.com | | | | | | | | | | | The Serviceberry: An Economy of Abundance – Robin Wall Kimmerer As Robin Wall Kimmerer harvests serviceberries alongside the birds, she considers the ethic of reciprocity that ... | | | Robin Wall Kimmerer's words have inspired many of us for years. Her tender, poetic descriptions of the natural world and the ways that traditional Indigenous ecological knowledge can be woven together with western scientific knowledge have created new pathways. Robin's latest book: The Serviceberry: Abundance and Reciprocity in the Natural World shares lessons from the serviceberry which freely distributes its wealth to benefit all, in sharp contrast to an economy rooted in scarcity, competition and greed. She offers a bold and inspiring vision to orient our lives around gratitude, reciprocity and community, values needed even more deeply now than when she wrote them. Dr. Kimmerer is a SUNY Distinguished Teaching Professor of Environmental Biology, and the founder and director of the Center for Native Peoples and the Environment at the SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry here in Syracuse. Her New York Times bestseller Braiding Sweetgrass has long been one of our bestselling books as well. The Serviceberry is available in hardcover (5x7”, 128 pp., 2024) for ages teen and up. Robin is donating her advance payments from this book as a reciprocal gift, back to the land, for land protection, restoration, and justice.

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Justin Morrill’s service Correction
by Elizabeth Caperton 17 Nov '24

17 Nov '24

Eileen wants me to share the following. So sorry. I failed to upload the full service. Due to its size it is in YouTube – here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h891QCLWvGA There is also a document in the Memorial folder that can take you to this link.

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Ye old Order kid now on a new adventure...
by Daniel Bigelow 16 Nov '24

16 Nov '24

Hi there Order Ecumenical! It's Daniel Bigelow, son of the late, great William Bigelow, reaching out to the ICA crowd to introduce my latest venture. I'm creative partly thanks to you, so enjoy the fruits! Over the years I've teamed up with a buddy on creative projects. Now we call this partnership LaLa-Arts. We're pleased to announce we've just finished a website and are excited to show you! www.LaLa-Arts.com <http://www.lala-arts.com/> I hope you'll enjoy it and pass us on to folks you know and spread the word! Happy Holidays! =Daniel Bigelow 323-337-5578 www.DanCanDraw.com <http://www.dancandraw.com/>

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Justin Morrill service
by Elizabeth Caperton 13 Nov '24

13 Nov '24

Eileen Morrill Howard asked me to share this link to Justin’s service. Elizabeth Caperton Dear Friends, Last week we had a wonderful celebration of Justin’s life. Many have asked if we were filming it and we did. Below are links to the memorial service and to the wonderful slide show prepared by my nieces, Emily and Courtney Chandler. Thanks to all who sent memories and well wishes to our family. We appreciate it. If you wish to get in touch with our mom, her details are below the links. Video of Memorial Service, Program and Poetry : https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1HxF7p-wkBsPMkCFCKiQXJQDBBX5RqHQ1?us… Slide Show - Pictures of Justin's Life https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yoNRX1_iuzje1tOTMO44r57K7YoRQ7k2/view?usp=… Del Morrill 7290 Rosemount Circle, #112 Tacoma 98465 Phone: (253) 365-1321 Thank you, Eileen Morrill Howard

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