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Salmon: Message for Jo and Susan
by William Salmon via OE 07 Nov '16

07 Nov '16

Colleagues All including Jo and Susan-- On several occasions during my 82 years, I found the heat in the kitchen was fueled by my petulance and guilt. These were times when I decided to run from living in the kitchen of relationships that generated negative energy and disrespect; the reason being is that I am the one to do these dastardly deeds. It was at times lilke this that some one loved me enough to tell me to "suck it up!." OE is in the forgiving business. I confess it is remarkable how the rational and emotional temperament of EI/ICA-Order Ecumenical generates a pretty common consensus methodology. However, don't the contrary views provide worthwhile insights. Somewhere along the line, I remember our stories of the Contrary who lived as a reminder not to suck our significance out of what we do and what we said and believed. The Truth lies somewhere in the Middle of the Table. So, I ask both Jo and Susan to suck it up. You'll find that running from the OE list service only makes you lonely. I'll be glad when this damned election is over. This is not meant as a pejorative word, instead it is an honest prayer for what it is doing to us and the civility we embrace. Keep the faith, Ladies. Remember, it is during the times of greatest despair that you'll hear the words, "YOU ARE ACCEPTED." (God love that Man!) Inner Peace, Bill

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THIS IS HOW . . .
by Milan Hamilton via OE 07 Nov '16

07 Nov '16

I RIGGED THE ELECTION AGAINST THE DONALD!!! Sent from my iPad

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electing Hillary
by W. J. via OE 07 Nov '16

07 Nov '16

It strikes me that electing Hillary has come to this: she will take the Oath of Office and attempt to govern literally with her hands tied behind her back. Not only will we have to endure endless, fruitless Congressional investigations of 'HillaryGate' (whatever that is) and impeachment votes, but stonewalling legislation and judicial/Supreme Court appointments.Susan's cartoon may offend you as a commentary on Hillary's presumed 'guilt', but it is in fact a prophetic indictment of our dysfunctional political system that promises to put our next President in political handcuffs.MarshallFolks, your emotional reactivity at this moment to attacks on Hillary is important motivational 'juice'. But let's focus on the larger picture of what's going on, reorganize, and get on with discerning what needs to happen after Tuesday.

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what....?
by Bob Booher via OE 07 Nov '16

07 Nov '16

The elections are combat, not some interesting and sensitive conversation at the university table. What do you thinks doing the 24 was……Not a sophisticated wine chat at your local bar.

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Personal Reaity
by Margaret Aiseayew via OE 07 Nov '16

07 Nov '16

Dear Colleagues, In these times (in which we are still the people), we all find ourselves in vastly differing personal realities. I am serving two very small congregations here in the middle of Iowa and this past weekend was our Thanksgiving Ingathering. Between the two churches (where attendance ranges from five to ten in one and ten to fifteen in the other) we managed to raise nearly $12,000 for contributions to global missions presented at the In-Gathering. Please don't start on the inadequacies these contributions (or missions) represent and celebrate with me this large accomplishment of very few. Believe it or not, all that we have been discussing here on the list is tearing at the fabric of these small communities. I felt compelled to address it this morning in a witness that I titled "The Time Has Come." I am severely constrained in the language I use. I have tried to convince them in many ways what I mean when I used the word 'God.' I tried to address their fear, frustration and anxiety. I closed my talk this morning by reminding them that no matter what happens on Tuesday, on Wednesday morning when we rise God will still be God and we will still be charged with loving God's world and all that is in it with every cell of our being. Margaret

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Native American Ten Commandments
by Ellie Stock via OE 07 Nov '16

07 Nov '16

Attached: Native American Ten Commandments. Ellie elliestock(a)aol.com

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What language?
by Jaime R Vergara via OE 07 Nov '16

07 Nov '16

Wanted to just ask Dharma if he knew which language the following is but I could not find his email. Anyone has any idea? kis kis ko miss karu kis kis kiss karu tumhe hi miss karu to tum hi ko na kisskaru. Happy New Year dear. wangzhimu2031 earthrise consciousness, a gift; earthbound commitment, my choice yesterday, appreciate; tomorrow, anticipate; today, participate! in all, celebrate!

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more news for Susan
by W. J. via OE 07 Nov '16

07 Nov '16

I've 'enjoyed' Susan's anti-Hillary diatribes, especially her cartoon. Not that I agree with her biases--I actually voted for Hillary (without holding my nose too hard).But I'm stunned that so many of my colleagues took the bait she threw at us--and jumped all over her.Her cartoon, for example, articulates the entrenched "meme" or biased and emotionally charged view of a large segment of voters who have voted or will vote without reference to FBI Director Comey's last-second letter of "reprieve" for Hillary.I predict that this letter won't change Susan's biases at all. She's totally stuck in "their" popular anti-Hillary meme, and nothing you or I or Mr. Comey can say will change her mind.So what does this mean for all of us? Can we even relate to people--relatives, "friends", workmates, or (goddess help us) even old "colleagues"--who have bought the same political malarkey Susan has swallowed whole?How can we make any sense of how Susan can be so misguided, given the depth of our common understanding of the way life is?Or, for that matter, how can we embrace people with whom we have developed personal trust and mutual esteem, once we learn they're "living on a different political planet"?Surely this is the moment for the 'transestablishment' dynamic. We need to speak to the hidden suffering of those who are angry and fearful and feel disempowered by their loss of economic, political, and cultural status as once-prosperous members of the middle class. And also to the segment of the electorate who feels Hillary is WAY too Establishment, is in bed with Wall Street and Corporate America, and has used the political system to disenfranchise them and dismiss their candidate.Finally, it has become obvious that the political process may come to an electoral outcome, but that does not allow for healing or reconciliation between warring political parties, who will feel obliged to take the political battle to the next level--the halls of Congress.Acknowledging and honoring the humanness of those we see as "our" political "enemies"--and eliciting their inclusive wisdom and insights into profound humanness--can be challenging as long as we take their bait and reflect their hate. We need to get WAY beyond this political impasse.MarshallBTW, American political cartoons in the 19th century were historically WAY nastier than anything Susan has sent us. But their distorted perspectives made political points and served an important function: they dramatized the way "ordinary" people perceived political shenanigans. FBI: Review of new emails doesn't change conclusion on Clinton | | | | | | | | | | | FBI: Review of new emails doesn't change conclusion on Clinton By Eric Bradner, CNN FBI Director James Comey told lawmakers Sunday the agency hasn't changed its opinion that Hillary Clinton sh... | | | |

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Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. -Dear Susan
by A.M. Noel via OE 06 Nov '16

06 Nov '16

Dear Colleages, History is once again being created by the very first women president in the USA. The world has been wiating for this moment and she is the Best and the most caring human being in spite of her mistakes. Linda and I have moved to the city of contribution (DC). We are all ready begun with theChicago cubs winning the world series and Hillary soon wining the, Ceelebrattion time come on Lets celebrate and have the best time. . A.M. Noel 206-321-6274 A.M. Noel On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Adam Thomson via OE < oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: > From Adam Thomson, Dover in the UK, > > As one who originally consciously and physically joined the Spirit > Movement in 1972, I have been stimulated by the responses in this stream - > especially from Jaime, Dharma and Randy. > > I was also negatively stimulated by Susan Fertig's comments concerning > HRC, and applauded Randy's posting on that. > > I had been struck by Susan's comments that revealingly included, "I've > heard for years about this possible connection to EI/ICA, and I truly hope > it's not true. It would be a horrible embarrassment to the movement." > > I have to say that Sue Fertig - even after many years - still has not > grasped what the "movement" is about, at least in part: as the Spirit > Movement - as the forgiven ones - we are not "embarrassed" by the actions > or otherwise of anyone allegedly or otherwise connected with it. > > As it happens, I am still smarting from Susan's outrageous comments, > including alleging that HRC was a criminal. > > And then, last night (Wednesday) in the UK, I happened to see Michael > Moore's most recent short film, "Michael Moore in Trumpland", which cheered > me up no end. > > I STRONGLY recommend people see this. Michael Moore was filmed doing a > one-hour stand-up routine in Wilmington OH before an audience of committed > HRC-haters, and the result was fascinating. Michael certainly put HRC's > alleged past into a perspective that was helpful to me. > > By the way - our daughter Mary (born July 4 1978 at Weiss Memorial > Hospital in Chicago) has taken great pains to exert her right to a VOTE as > a US citizen (for the first time!), and she posted off her absentee ballot > yesterday. I'm not telling anybody how she voted... > > Do try and see "Michael Moore in Trumpland", ASAP. It's a tremendous > documentary. > > Love to all, Adam Thomson > > END OF MESSAGE > > "At 12:31 PM 03-11-16, via OE wrote: > > Thanks for this very helpful insight, Dharma. As we are consumed with the > rancor between left and right in this country, the broader view calls us to > consider what issues deserve our attention when it comes to being > compassionate and responsible world citizens. > > Catherine Welch, Denver > > *From:* Dharmalingam Vinasithamby via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:16 PM > *To:* Len Hockley <LCHockley(a)gmail.com> ; laurelcg(a)aol.com ; Order > Ecumenical Community <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> ; Order Ecumenical > Community <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> > *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. -Dear > Susan > > As an outsider, being in the Order/ICA gave me a close-up view of the US > and how its citizens related to it. In all those years, beginning with > Nixon all the way up to Obama, Iâ€™ve seen it invade and destroy nations > around the world, releasing waves of refugees and other miseries. But > within the US, people lived in a cocoon that helped them avert their eyes. > I remember the Vietnam war protesters and the many young people who fled > the US in order not to be driven to kill â€œgooksâ€ overseas. I noticed > that at best, we were silent on this and at worst, disapproving. When I > look back, I see that the protesters were the â€œsensitive and responsiveâ€ > part that Niebuhr wrote about. I also noticed the hunger among us to cite > links to famous figures while pointing out that to live in the â€œno longer > and the not-yetâ€ was to be â€œnobodiesâ€ . Perhaps this was the effect of > consuming the stories meant for our framing and fund-raising strategies. > > I see that same hunger now reflected in recalling some distant crossing of > trails with Hillary Clinton. Americans have been set up by the political > elite to adopt positions around two equally ugly candidates put before them > for the exercise of their â€œdemocratic rightsâ€ . For all the emotions the > Republican-Democrat tension evokes in our emails, election after election, > that rivalry is a sham. This is a nation ruled by a â€œsingle party with > two factionsâ€ . Whichever you praise or denigrate, the real owners of the > land always win. And for the rest of us around the world, we can only wait > for the light from this â€œbeacon on the hillâ€ to eventually fade. Then, > perhaps, the US will take its place as an ordinary member in the community > of nations. > > Dharma > > > On Wednesday, 2 November 2016, 7:33, Len Hockley via OE < > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: > > > Dido Jon, *The Naked Now* by Richard Rohr is required reading! > > Len Hockley > > On 11/1/2016 2:58 PM, via OE wrote: > > Love this, Jon. Thanks. > > Jann > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jonzondo(a)juno.com via OE mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net > <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> > To: isobeljimbish mailto:isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au > <isobeljimbish(a)optusnet.com.au>; oe mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net > <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> > Cc: oe mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> > Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2016 1:37 pm > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - Dear > Susan > > Dear Group. > Jon Elizondo here. Son of Tony and Ellery. > Long time "Order kid" and short time Order adult. > > This conversation is very important, especially with all the perspectives. > I will try to hone in now on one of my key points. > The change needed in the system is huge. Our current system is incredible > broken in so many ways. We are a first world country "purposefully" going > backwards by not investing in our infrastructure nor in our people. > In my observation and opinion, much of the national frustration shows > itself in the desire to elect Trump, or Bernie, or any alternative. The > "Cry" for change is massive, and will not let up. > > One of the traps is either/or thinking. > > one of the ways forward is both/and/plus-more thinking. > > One of the traps is "personal attacks". > > one of the ways forward is "come join us at the table". > > What I know in my bones is that we are all connected. That mysterious > truth, combined with my passion & respect, is my key to intentionally > moving forward. > > Walk in Beauty, > Jon > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Isobel Bishop via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > > To: Wilson Priscilla H <pris(a)teamtechpress.com >, Order Ecumenical > Community <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - Dear > Susan > Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 07:23:32 +1100 > > Thankyou for this conversation, colleagues. I appreciate the > Honesty, pain and fear expressed in > depth,to give us outsiders some real hope. > Thankyou all. > In peace and love, > Isobel > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2 Nov 2016, at 7:02 am, Wilson Priscilla H via OE < > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote: > > No one has said that better, Randy. You should put that on Facebook…so we > can all copy your words. Priscilla Wilson On Nov 1, 2016, at 2:35 PM, > Joyce Sloan via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote: Well said, Randy!! On > Nov 1, 2016 2:20 PM, "Randy Williams via OE" <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > > wrote: I keep asking, but still have not seen, one shred of verifiable > evidence to substantiate the charge that Hillary has committed a criminal > act of any sort. She's made serious mistakes like with the private server, > she has not been as transparent as she could and perhaps should have been, > she got paid a lot of money for some speeches (but less than some men), > she's flip-flopped on some positions she's taken like on TPP, she has a > super-healthy ego (an asset for a man but a huge liability for a woman in > our culture), she didn't play nice when she was First Lady trying to get > health care passed, as Secretary of State she traveled the world and spoke > truth to power like the Premier of China, and after much gut-wrenching > deliberation and prayer she chose to stay true to her vow to her husband of > "for better or worse" through "worse." And to add insult to injury, she > decided to run to be the first woman in the Office of President of the > United States. How dare she. Despise her for all those things and hate all > her positions on the issues, but don't accuse her of being a criminal > unless you have some rock solid proof that hours and years and millions of > dollars worth of hearings, investigations and witch hunts by scores of > government agencies, news media and nondescript malcontents have been > unable to produce. I've heard the rumors, innuendos, exaggerations, > conjecture, gross distortions and outright lies, everything but verifiable > truth. Got any? Then let's have it. But double check your sources before > you put it out there because there really are some malingering, deplorable > liars afoot in the land and a lot of fools are believing them and then > repeating what they heard them say and calling it truth, and it just isn't. Randy > Sent from my iPad On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Susan Fertig via OE < > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote: > > Trump was never my choice, and Hillary is a criminal--her vision for the > country is my first nightmare. And Trump is just as flawed. Both of them > scare me to death. But neither if the other candidates is really an option > either. I fear we're about to see this great American experiment in > democracy become something no less evil than the many kleptocracies around > the world. Susan Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Nov 1, 2016 > 11:55 AM, Judi White <sophiacircle(a)gmail.com > wrote: Well, what you > wrote is what Frumper repeats over and over. Mist who parrot him do support > him. I Personally prefer to read responses to a candidates vision for > this nation. Also I stand firm in ny admiration which never ceases, of > this woman who has continued in spite of the unbelievable accusations which > are so blown up out of the real world of truth and honesty that it is cause > for seriously asking "Why?". Why the hell bent mission to destroy a solid > vision for this nation and this planet? There is no other candidate who > shines so brightly and qualified to be an example for our children and > grandchildren at this time. Rightly so. On Nov 1, 2016 12:20 PM, > "Susan Fertig via OE" <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote: How in the world > did you infer that I must be a Trump supporter from my message? Susan Sent > from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Nov 1, 2016 7:56 AM, Ken Fisher < > kenfisher1942(a)gmail.com > wrote: Dear Susan, Writing to you as a > Canadian Christian and 16-year Order member, I am awed by your commitment > to American Republicanism and conservative Christianity. How in the world > did you spend so much time with the EI/OE/ICA community and have your world > view remain unaffected? From the perspective of Canada, we are 87% > supporters of HRC and the image of America she represents. Probably Russia > is 87% in favour of Donald. Each and every â€˜crimeâ€™ that I have read > about that is attributed to Hillary has been most grandly committed by > Republicans in previous Bush administrations. Surely you would agree > that Donald Trump is an out and out racist, sexist, homophobe, parochial > narcissist and most of all a climate change denier? HRC is none of the > above. Thankfully, she is responsive to both Bernie and to Elizabeth. We > may get out of this mess yet. Your phrase: "only values I see are > abject greed, a pathological allegiance to lies, and arrogant flaunting of > her ability to circumvent the law. She has done absolutely nothing to > improve the lives of the poor and disadvantaged yet claims she has in the > face of all evidence to the contrary.â€ is really the truth that the world > sees about Trump. I would invite you to see all that as a projection. Should > Trump take ownership of any of the above, that would be a fine moment of > grace. Would you not agree? Margaret Atwood, (a Canadian poet, > novelist, literary critic, essayist, and environmental activist) describes > America in the midst of a Salem type witch hunt. I agree. It is, at the > bottom a war against women. While there are indeed my contradictions in > American society that both the Republican and Democratic administrations > must answer for, the attached article came closest - for me - in describing > how the Republican voice has committed itself to an â€˜end gameâ€™ and it > would seem that indeed, the GOP will â€˜endâ€™. Love and best wishes to > you, Susan and to all Trump supporters who have been left without any > vision other than rebellion or depression. We are all responsible. > Everyone. Ken in Canada. > > > > > *A Republican intellectual explains why the Republican Party is going to > die* > > > > > > > > http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/1 2256510/republican-party-trump -avik-roy > <http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy> > On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:03 AM, Susan Fertig via OE < > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote: Values??? The only values I see are > abject greed, a pathological allegiance to lies, and arrogant flaunting of > her ability to circumvent the law. She has done absolutely nothing to > improve the lives of the poor and disadvantaged yet claims she has in the > face of all evidence to the contrary. I've heard for years about this > possible connection to EI/ICA, and I truly hope it's not true. It would be > a horrible embarrassment to the movement. Susan Sent from my Verizon > 4G LTE Droid On Oct 31, 2016 11:22 PM, William Salmon via OE < > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote: Colleagues-- So many raise the > question concerning Hillary Clinton's relationship to E.I. I decided to > cast this bread upon the waters. The first sign is that while I addressed > it to Hillary Clinton, an alternate address popped up. Consequently, it may > really get to her attention, to that of some aid. May it be a Kool-Aid. > Inner Peace, Bill Mrs. Hillary Clinton: It is my prayer that > this reaches you concerning your experience in 5th City, Chicago, or it > could have been in Evanston. Your Youth Director, Don Jones, must have been > at a training event to become known as RS-I. About the same time, a large > number of us dedicated ourselves to this renewal movement that grew from > our experience in Chicago Ghetto to literally embrace the world. It > makes me wonder if your experience under his leadership influenced the > values you hold dear, and now wish to step onto the platform of the > Presidency to do for our United States and for the world what was embraced > by the courageous citizens in 5th City. You carry my prayers during > this last turbulent week. You have my vote. Grace and Peace, > Pastor William E. 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Salmon: Focus on the Necessary Deeds
by William Salmon via OE 06 Nov '16

06 Nov '16

Lynda and John, and so many others-- You've helped to focus our attention on the situation at Standing Rock and the love already poured out in this outpost of civilization. Thank you. Your appeal is filled with important responses for all of those already on site or in preparation to stand in the gap. Now is the time to stand with our EG who have picked up the mantel of social responsibility. There is another, and more personal, crises brewing: I want to lift up the impending crises taking place with Jaime Vergara. At the moment he and his wife are "eating peanuts," while his financial situation get worse with the threat of legal action. Jaime has been our "Eastern Light." My fear is that his connection is malfunctioning. My paraphrase of his traditional way of closing is when all else fails we'll, "meet around the bend." For now, what may follow is not a pretty picture. Please familiarize yourselves with what is going on--or not going on--and make whatever personal response that you can. It is prayer-time! Bill

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