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Re: [Oe List ...] Change of policy on non-member posts and other news from Tim
by Del Morrill via OE 12 Nov '16

12 Nov '16

I use Spam Arrest, the BEST spam remover I've ever used. Del -----Original Message----- From: OE [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynda C via OE Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 6:04 PM To: Timothy Wegner <tim(a)tswegner.net>; Order Ecumenical Community <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Change of policy on non-member posts and other news from Tim Tim, I seem to be one who is being inundated with spam the last few days. At first it was just random ads, which I was trying to get unsubscribed from. But they were asking for my address to unsubscribe me. Then the porn started. I'm now getting twice as many even tho I mark them as junk or say block the sender. Any advice? I am using our new email that we added when we moved to Davidson. Lynda860(a)outlook.com. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 11, 2016, at 7:46 PM, Timothy Wegner via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: > > Executive summary of below - make sure if you post to the list you are using the correct email (the one you subscribed.) > > 1. Many of you have multiple emails addresses, and fairly often folks forget which one is subscribed to the list and send a post from a different email. Not to worry, I would get alerted and then let the message through. I have been providing this service for many years. > > Recently some massive email spam sender has gotten our list address and our list is getting sent scores of spam messages a day. Not a problem for you, but a big problem for me. I have to look through a big list of spam for those aforementioned attempts at posting from you folks before sending the spam messages off to oblivion. > > What I have decided to do is simply have the list discard all attempts at posting from non-subscribed emails. No work for me, and still no list spam for you. But this means if you attempt to post from the wrong email, it simply won't work and I will not be alerted and will not be able to rescue you as I have been doing for lo these many years. > > If you need to be able to post from other email addresses than your subscribed email, just let me know, and I can make it work. > > 2. The problem with gmail that we had recently in which gmail users were being summarily unsubscribed appears to have been cured by some changes I made. If anyone is still having problems (or new problems) let me know. > > The world goes on, and is still as broken as ever, as are we, mere creatures within the broken world, but Grace still abounds. Hallelujah! > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net

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Change of policy on non-member posts and other news from Tim
by Timothy Wegner via OE 12 Nov '16

12 Nov '16

Executive summary of below - make sure if you post to the list you are using the correct email (the one you subscribed.) 1. Many of you have multiple emails addresses, and fairly often folks forget which one is subscribed to the list and send a post from a different email. Not to worry, I would get alerted and then let the message through. I have been providing this service for many years. Recently some massive email spam sender has gotten our list address and our list is getting sent scores of spam messages a day. Not a problem for you, but a big problem for me. I have to look through a big list of spam for those aforementioned attempts at posting from you folks before sending the spam messages off to oblivion. What I have decided to do is simply have the list discard all attempts at posting from non-subscribed emails. No work for me, and still no list spam for you. But this means if you attempt to post from the wrong email, it simply won't work and I will not be alerted and will not be able to rescue you as I have been doing for lo these many years. If you need to be able to post from other email addresses than your subscribed email, just let me know, and I can make it work. 2. The problem with gmail that we had recently in which gmail users were being summarily unsubscribed appears to have been cured by some changes I made. If anyone is still having problems (or new problems) let me know. The world goes on, and is still as broken as ever, as are we, mere creatures within the broken world, but Grace still abounds. Hallelujah! Tim

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Trump disaster aftermath: personal and European reflections. (Second issue: third link corrected)
by Adam Thomson via OE 12 Nov '16

12 Nov '16

From Adam Thomson, Dover South-East England Thank you, Zoe Barley, for pointing out my linking error for the third article I referenced this morning. I've left everything else the same, but inserted the correct link for the third article. My apologies for my error. MESSAGE BEGINS Following from previous interchanges ricocheting around from Jim's comment re my recent birthday, here are some pieces from Guardian correspondents that were posted today following the Trump disaster. Timothy Garton Ash: Populists are Out to Divide Us. They Must be Stopped. [TGA asserts that Angela Merkle is now the leader of the free world - I can't quarrel with that] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/11/populists-us Martin Kettle: It's Easy to Hate Donald Trump - but Essential to Learn from Him https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/10/donald-trump-voters-l… Jonathan Freedland: Trump's World is Too Dark - Even for Leonard Cohen https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/12/leonard-cohen-trump-w… And, concerning Brexit - inextricably linked - I attach a piece I sent to my family, given that our family is irrevocably split, brother against brother on the Brexit question. All the above-referenced pieces are pointing to the possible collapse of Europe following Trump, creating conditions similar to those that catalysed the 2nd World War. We must think in the broadest context (Old Movement wisdom) and I am struggling to find the first clue to survival. One would be if the UK abandoned Brexit, for the sake of stabilising Europe. I am still looking and listening, and reading... And, yes, I have been diagnosed with Alzheimer's Disease. But that's just a minor trauma compared with the Brexit and Trump body blows over the last six months. I will continue to draw great sustenance from this Order Ecumenical Community forum, for quite a long time to come. Colleagues, please continue to point to signs of hope and possibility. With love to all, Adam Thomson

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Re: [Oe List ...] Trump disaster aftermath: personal and European reflections.
by Zoe Barley via OE 12 Nov '16

12 Nov '16

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Fw: gARRISON HAS HIS SAY
by James Wiegel via OE 12 Nov '16

12 Nov '16

Garrison Keillor throws in his perspective . . . Jim Wiegel “If you want an adventure . . . what a time to be alive!”. Joanna Macy Trump voters will not like what happens nextBy Garrison Keillor November 9 at 8:39 AM Garrison Keillor is an author and radio personality. | | | | | | | | | | | Trump voters will not like what happens next By Garrison Keillor The government is now in Republicans’ hands. Let them deal with Trump. | | | | So he won. The nation takes a deep breath. Raw ego and proud illiteracy have won out, and a severely learning-disabled man with a real character problem will be president. We are so exhausted from thinking about this election, millions of people will take up leaf-raking and garage cleaning with intense pleasure. We liberal elitists are wrecks. The Trumpers had a whale of a good time, waving their signs, jeering at the media, beating up protesters, chanting “Lock her up” — we elitists just stood and clapped. Nobody chanted “Stronger Together.” It just doesn’t chant.The Trumpers never expected their guy to actually win the thing, and that’s their problem now. They wanted only to whoop and yell, boo at the H-word, wear profane T-shirts, maybe grab a crotch or two, jump in the RV with a couple of six-packs and go out and shoot some spotted owls. It was pleasure enough for them just to know that they were driving us wild with dismay — by “us,” I mean librarians, children’s authors, yoga practitioners, Unitarians, bird-watchers, people who make their own pasta, opera-goers, the grammar police, people who keep books on their shelves, that bunch. The Trumpers exulted in knowing we were tearing our hair out. They had our number, like a bratty kid who knows exactly how to make you grit your teeth and froth at the mouth.Alas for the Trump voters, the disasters he will bring on this country will fall more heavily on them than anyone else. The uneducated white males who elected him are the vulnerable ones, and they will not like what happens next.To all the patronizing B.S. we’ve read about Trump expressing the white working-class’s displacement and loss of the American Dream, I say, “Feh!” — go put your head under cold water. Resentment is no excuse for bald-faced stupidity. America is still the land where the waitress’s kids can grow up to become physicists and novelists and pediatricians, but it helps a lot if the waitress and her husband encourage good habits and the ambition to use your God-given talents and the kids aren’t plugged into electronics day and night. Whooping it up for the candidate of cruelty and ignorance does less than nothing for your kids.We liberal elitists are now completely in the clear. The government is in Republican hands. Let them deal with him. Democrats can spend four years raising heirloom tomatoes, meditating, reading Jane Austen, traveling around the country, tasting artisan beers, and let the Republicans build the wall and carry on the trade war with China and deport the undocumented and deal with opioids, and we Democrats can go for a long , brisk walk and smell the roses.I like Republicans. I used to spend Sunday afternoons with a bunch of them, drinking Scotch and soda and trying to care about NFL football. It was fun. I tried to think like them. (Life is what you make it. People are people. When the going gets tough, tough noogies.) But I came back to liberal elitism.Don’t be cruel. Elvis said it, and it’s true. We all experienced cruelty back in our playground days — boys who beat up on the timid, girls who made fun of the homely and naive — and most of us, to our shame, went along with it, afraid to defend the victims lest we become one of them. But by your 20s, you should be done with cruelty. Mr. Trump was the cruelest candidate since George Wallace. How he won on fear and bile is for political pathologists to study. The country is already tired of his noise, even his own voters. He is likely to become the most intensely disliked president since Herbert Hoover. His children will carry the burden of his name. He will never be happy in his own skin. But the damage he will do to our country — who knows? His supporters voted for change, and boy, are they going to get it.Back to real life. I went up to my home town the other day and ran into my gym teacher, Stan Nelson, looking good at 96. He commanded a landing craft at Normandy on June 6, 1944, and never said a word about it back then, just made us do chin-ups whether we wanted to or not. I saw my biology teacher Lyle Bradley, a Marine pilot in the Korean War, still going bird-watching in his 90s. I was not a good student then, but I am studying both of them now. They have seen it all and are still optimistic. The past year of politics has taught us absolutely nothing. Zilch. Zero. Nada. The future is scary. Let the uneducated have their day. I am now going to pay more attention to teachers. Jim Wiegel “If you want an adventure . . . what a time to be alive!”. Joanna Macy 401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353623-363-3277jfwiegel(a)yahoo.comwww.partnersinparticipation.com Upcoming ToP training opportunities in Arizona More info on: ToP® Facilitation Methods ToP® Strategic Planning: Mastering the Technology of Participation Register on line / see the ToP National ScheduleAICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP® courses The AZ ToP® Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday, of every month, 1-4 pm, at ACYR, 648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003

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Trump disaster aftermath: personal and European reflections.
by Adam Thomson via OE 12 Nov '16

12 Nov '16

From Adam Thomson, Dover South-East England Following from previous interchanges ricocheting around from Jim's comment re my recent birthday, here are some pieces from Guardian correspondents that were posted today following the Trump disaster. Timothy Garton Ash: Populists are Out to Divide Us. They Must be Stopped. [TGA asserts that Angela Merkle is now the leader of the free world - I can't quarrel with that] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/11/populists-us Martin Kettle: It's Easy to Hate Donald Trump - but Essential to Learn from Him https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/10/donald-trump-voters-l… Jonathan Freedland: Trump's World is Too Dark - Even for Leonard Cohen https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/10/donald-trump-voters-l… And, concerning Brexit - inextricably linked - I attach a piece I sent to my family, given that our family is irrevocably split, brother against brother on the Brexit question. All the above-referenced pieces are pointing to the possible collapse of Europe following Trump, creating conditions similar to those that catalysed the 2nd World War. We must think in the broadest context (Old Movement wisdom) and I am struggling to find the first clue to survival. One would be if the UK abandoned Brexit, for the sake of stabilising Europe. I am still looking and listening, and reading... And, yes, I have been diagnosed with Alzheimer's Disease. But that's just a minor trauma compared with the Brexit and Trump body blows over the last six months. I will continue to draw great sustenance from this Order Ecumenical Community forum, for quite a long time to come. Colleagues, please continue to point to signs of hope and possibility. With love to all, Adam Thomson

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Back in the day, we wrote lots of songs, or rewrote the words to songs, mainly . . . Leonard Cohen died, would we have rewritten these words?
by James Wiegel via OE 11 Nov '16

11 Nov '16

HallelujahJeff BuckleyWell I've heard there was a secret chord That David played and it pleased the Lord But you don't really care for music, do you? Well it goes like this: The fourth, the fifth, the minor fall and the major lift The baffled king composing HallelujahHallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah HallelujahWell your faith was strong but you needed proof You saw her bathing on the roof Her beauty and the moonlight overthrew ya She tied you to her kitchen chair And she broke your throne and she cut your hair And from your lips she drew the HallelujahHallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah But baby I've been here before I've seen this room and I've walked this floor You know, I used to live alone before I knew ya And I've seen your flag on the marble arch And love is not a victory march It's a cold and it's a broken HallelujahHallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah HallelujahWell there was a time when you let me know What's really going on below But now you never show that to me do ya But remember when I moved in you And the holy dove was moving too And every breath we drew was HallelujahHallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah HallelujahMaybe there's a God above But all I've ever learned from love Was how to shoot somebody who outdrew yaAnd it's not a cry that you hear at night It's not somebody who's seen the light It's a cold and it's a broken HallelujahHallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah HallelujahHallelujahSongwriters: Leonard CohenHallelujah lyrics © Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC Jim Wiegel “If you want an adventure . . . what a time to be alive!”. Joanna Macy 401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353623-363-3277jfwiegel(a)yahoo.comwww.partnersinparticipation.com Upcoming ToP training opportunities in Arizona More info on: ToP® Facilitation Methods ToP® Strategic Planning: Mastering the Technology of Participation Register on line / see the ToP National ScheduleAICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP® courses The AZ ToP® Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday, of every month, 1-4 pm, at ACYR, 648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003

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Standing Rock Trip Update, Day 5
by Ellie Stock via OE 11 Nov '16

11 Nov '16

-----Original Message----- From: Ellie Stock <elliestock(a)aol.com> To: elliestock <elliestock(a)aol.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 11, 2016 7:42 pm Subject: Standing Rock Trip Update, Day 5 Standing Rock Trip Update, November 11, Day 5 (Veterans Day): Hi Folks, Today is the last day of our Standing Rock Pilgrimage. In the car all day, debriefing the trip but also the Presidential election results and how they intersect. The TV news this morning indicated that the demonstrations continue near the pipeline. In fact water protectors were inside the pipeline and oxygen had to be pumped in to protect them. More "troops" are being sent from neighboring state Nebraska to support the North Dakota forces at Standing Rock. November 15 is a national day of action: Standing with Standing Rock. See the info from Bill McKibben below. Also below are two of the best information sources for Standing Rock if you are interested in daily updates--from the Native American Perspective. As we approach Thanksgiving,some words (somewhat tongue in cheek) from Santee Sioux PC(USA) Clergy of 97 Winters, The Rev. Sidney Byrd with whom we visited in Flandreau, SD the first day of our trip (see Monday 11/7 update): Our Native Peoples made some regrettable mistakes: 1. We should have made some strict immigration laws and enforced them when the poor, homeless pilgrims arrived on our shores. 2. We should conducted an environmental impact study before we extended our welcome. 3. We should have left well enough alone that first terrible winter. Instead we started our first welfare program. We took care of them and taught them how to survive. 4. We should have insisted they learn our languages instead of English only... We continue to ponder this pilgrimage as this particular journey has ended but encourage all of us to stand with Standing Rock, however that might be possible. We will be giving reports Monday 11/14 at the La Vista Ecological Center in Godrey, IL and Sunday 11/20 at Second Presbyterian Church, St Louis. In the midst of this week's upheaval, anger, fear, and anxiety--we trust in the presence of Hope beyond hopes unbounded, Love unconditioned, Peace unsurpassed, and Joy and Thanksgiving unceasing~ Ellie elliestock(a)aol.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ BEST SOURCES FOR CONTINUED INFO AND UPDATES: Native American Media source--check section on Standing Rock articles: Indian Country Today Media Network - Official Site indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com Indian Country Today Media Network is your essential Native American news and information site offering superb online services in the areas of education, business and ... Standing Rock/Sacred Stones Camp facebook tracking: https://www.facebook.com/CampOfTheSacredStone/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED&fref=nf ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CONTACTING BANKS THAT ARE INVESTED IN DAPL: http://www.yesmagazine.org/people-power/how-to-contact-the-17-banks-funding… ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From Bill McKibben for 350.org: Dear Friends So, the question everyone’s asking me this week is: What now? I don’t have a great answer—the Trump saga will play out over time, and we’ll be learning how to resist as we go along. But resist we will. I do know that the election last Tuesday made this Tuesday’s demonstrations in support of Standing Rock even more important. We’ll be gathering in nearly two hundred cities to demand that the Army Corps of Engineers, and the Obama administration, do their jobs and reject the Dakota Access pipeline's final permit. Will you join me on Nov 15th and take action to stop Dakota Access? Sign up for an action today—and if there isn't one on the map already, you can organize one where you live. We don’t know if we can make President Obama act—so far he’s been noncommittal and vague. And we don’t know if Trump would simply overturn his actions if he took them. But we do know that now more than ever we have to stand by our allies, and make our battles loud and public. The ugly side of the American psyche that’s propelled Trump to the presidency is nothing new to Indigenous people. It’s nothing new to people of color, to immigrants, to the vulnerable and the marginalized. This is a time for drawing together the many threads of our resistance—to fossil fuels, yes, but also and just as importantly to widespread hatred. Solidarity with Indigenous leadership—in Standing Rock and beyond—is more important today, not less. The original inhabitants of this continent have been pepper-sprayed and shot with rubber bullets, maced and attacked by guard dogs, all for peacefully standing up for their sovereign rights, and for the world around us. If we can’t rally in support of them—well, that would be shameful. Join me and thousands of others on the streets to show solidarity with Standing Rock on Nov 15th. I wish I had some magic words to make the gobsmacked feeling go away. But I can tell you from experience that taking action, joining with others to protest, heals some of the sting. And throughout history, movements like ours have been the ones to create lasting change—not a single individual or president. That's the work we'll get back to, together. See you on Tuesday! Bill McKibben for 350.org P.S. You can also join me—and other movement leaders from social, racial and economic justice movements—for a strategy discussion today at 7pm EST to chart out the broader fight ahead. Get more info and sign up for that here. 350.org is building a global climate movement. Become a sustaining donor to keep this movement strong and growing. You can update your contact information, location, or language here, or if you're 100% sure you never want to hear from 350.org again you can click here to unsubscribe.

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Vohen
by Judi White via OE 11 Nov '16

11 Nov '16

London

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Fwd: Michael Moore Makes Sense of Election Results
by Wendell Refior via OE 11 Nov '16

11 Nov '16

44 Minutes of Revelation to Let all Liberals see the light a la Michael Moore Great interview with some I told you so. Wendell ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Wendell Refior <wendellrefior(a)gmail.com> Date: Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:25 AM Subject: Michael Moore Makes Sense of Election Results To: Bruce Macomber <bruce5491(a)comcast.net>, Paul LeVie < paul.levie(a)verizon.net>, Steve Stodola <SteveStodola(a)verizon.net>, John Bengel <johnwbengel(a)gmail.com>, Elsa Bengel <elsabengel(a)gmail.com> Hi - Eye popping, illusion breaking interview with Michael Moore Link: http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/michael-moore-joins- wide-ranging-election-talk-806604867876 -- Thanks until later. "To believe what is true for you in your private heart is true for all men -- that is genius." - Emerson in "Self-Reliance" Wendell -- Thanks until later. "To believe what is true for you in your private heart is true for all men -- that is genius." - Emerson in "Self-Reliance" Wendell

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