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Salmon: I got it.
by William Salmon via OE 26 Sep '17

26 Sep '17

Thanks! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: mary hampton via OE To: Herman Greene ; Order Ecumenical Community Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I have been getting an error message when I emailthis list YES! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Herman Greene via OE Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 9:28 PM To: OE Listserv Subject: [Oe List ...] I have been getting an error message when I emailthis list Please let me know if you receive this email on the OE Listserv. Herman -- __________________________________________________ Herman F. Greene 2516 Winningham Road Chapel Hill, NC 27516 919-942-4358 (ph & fax) hfgreenenc(a)gmail.com Virus-free. www.avg.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net

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Re: [Oe List ...] conversation on white trash racism
by Joan via OE 26 Sep '17

26 Sep '17

This doesn't speak directly to Marshall's situation but I have choosen to attend Non-Violent Communication classes to try to figure out how to be brave enough to have some discussions with people who think differently from me. Some of the insghts I came up with that help me to begin a conversation: 1. Don't assume bad intent. (That wouldn't work for you, Marshall, in the situation you described.) 2. Ask questions. Choose curiosity over being right. Listen 3. Stay calm. Rightness does not justify rudeness. 4. Calmly make your argument. That's not a lot but it's helped me. Joan Knutson -----Original Message----- From: John Epps via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Jann McGuire <laurelcg(a)aol.com>; Order Ecumenical Community <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Tue, Sep 26, 2017 2:11 pm Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] conversation on white trash racism Thanks Marshall. I heard an expression the other day that seems to fit this situation: "These folks give white trash a bad name." On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 2:49 PM, via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: I go to a progressive women's huddle meeting every two weeks. Many of these groups spun off the Women's March on January 20. I'm in Devin Nunes' congressional district, the other women are in Kevin McCarthy's, so we in this Huddle are a small minority in our community. One woman left her Hillary sign in her yard after the election and was harassed and even threatened by neighbors not unlike yours. She purchased a sophisticated alarm system that included 12 cameras. The harassment stopped. Look for a Huddle group. We welcome men. Our first strategy is to canvass and to set up registration booths in farmers' markets to register people who didn't vote last time. I personally haven't been confronted with hatefulness of this sort. I'd aspire in that case to take a step back, pray for the misguided soul, surround myself with as much positive energy as I can muster and imagine an energy vortex over his/her head, a tornado drawing up and out the distorted thinking and replacing it with energy drawn up from the Earth beneath their feet. I'd want my own tiny tornado above my crown as well. I'm on 5 calls.org. They give me suggestions for calling my reps every week. I often call Nunes' office, but don't bother with our senators, Feinstein and Harris. This is probably not your style at all, Marshall, but if I were you, I'd smudge myself and the periphery of my property with burning sage or other fragrant herb and put an energetic barrier between my house and theirs. Thanks for sharing this. I hope we do get a lively conversation from this. Jann McGuire, who was born to a poor white family in West Texas. Were we ever called "trash"? I can't know. Just glad we had our church community. I remember how shocked my mother was when she met her first Republican, my girl scout leader who had moved to Odessa from Oklahoma. -----Original Message----- From: W. J. via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> To: W. J. <synergi(a)yahoo.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 25, 2017 8:19 pm Subject: [Oe List ...] conversation on white trash racism Last night I was stunned to overhear my next-door neighbors sitting on their front porch and loudly spewing forth their toxic honky racist shit. This was in the wake of Trump's Alabama comments that stirred up a lot of racist indignation that denied there was anything 'racial' involved in protesting against racism. It was not just the nasty content, but more the tone of their comments and their South Carolina accents that were just so offensive to have to overhear. I closed my window, but that didn't stop their conversation from seeping into my living room like sewage in a Texas flood. Among their themes: 1. They're still fighting their version of the Civil War, which was not about slavery, since "poor white folks had to pick cotton too". 2. They still hate Martin Luther King, Jr. and resent the fact that everywhere they go, there has to be a 'Martin Luther King, Jr. Boulevard' in town. 3. Their sense of white entitlement allows them to consider themselves 'better than' black people or more 'civilized'. 4. Their cultural values--including their racism--are considered normative. Thus their racist biases are invisible to them. 5. Other racial groups are considered intruders (unless they are 'silent' and subservient and don't 'rock the boat' of white superiority). 6. Genocide is implicitly OK--especially if it can be justified under 'war' conditions. There was a story about Marines wiping out one quarter million Muslims on an island. That was a good way to 'fix that problem'. Other racial/ethnic/religious groups are considered subhuman and can be treated accordingly. I could go on, but my point is that I just don't like these neighbors. Fortunately, they're not around that often. And since they're old, they will soon die off, taking their racist prejudices with them. They are shrinking minority desperately holding out against cultural change. But they--and millions like them--elected Donald Trump. So we have to deal with a white racist cultural backlash with global implications. So here I am, surrounded by Trump voters like Davey Crockett at the Alamo (yes, I'm aware of the racist imagery here). And even if these folks never say another word, they still think like racist 'poor white trash' who had to compete with other economically disadvantaged groups. I realize that I benefit enormously from 'white male privilege'--including the advantages of a perspective informed by global experience, advanced education, a multicultural context, and a determination to examine and confront my own implicit/unconscious assumptions of white racist privileging. I'd like to begin a conversation that will explore how to survive and thrive and even support cultural change/transformation in this context--without getting pot shots aimed at my living room. Marshall Jones _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net

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I have been getting an error message when I email this list
by Herman Greene via OE 26 Sep '17

26 Sep '17

Please let me know if you receive this email on the OE Listserv. Herman -- __________________________________________________ Herman F. Greene 2516 Winningham Road Chapel Hill, NC 27516 919-942-4358 (ph & fax) hfgreenenc(a)gmail.com

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You a sports fan?
by Lee Early via OE 26 Sep '17

26 Sep '17

I thought I could cut and paste this paper but, I’ll just attach it. Hope you can un-attach it and read it. Have at it. Lee Lee Early 19230 Forest Park Dr. NE A-102 Lake Forest Park, WA 98155 Phone: (425)212-7997 lees.mail(a)comcast.net

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Have you been watching the Vietnam series on PBS.
by Herman Greene via OE 25 Sep '17

25 Sep '17

On Sunday night the Ken Burns series dealt with the issues of the first half of 1968, including the Tet offensive, MLK's death and the urban riots, and Bobby Kennedy's death. It brought back so many gripping memories for me. I remember the riots in Chicago and how it affected us. I remember the Collegium we held with Joe after Bobby Kennedy was killed. He asked us if we were willing to die for the mission. I eagerly held up my hand and said yes as some others did. Tonight there were pictures of the 1968 Democratic convention. I went with Al Lingo to the Blackstone Hotel and we watched the demonstrators and police clash. I remember the national guard being in 5th city and helicopters and surveillance planes flying overhead. We think our country is more divided now than ever. I am remembering how divided we were then. Herman -- __________________________________________________ Herman F. Greene 2516 Winningham Road Chapel Hill, NC 27516 919-942-4358 <(919)%20942-4358> (ph & fax) hfgreenenc(a)gmail.com

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Re: [Oe List ...] You a sports fan? More to Lee's reflections
by Rod Rippel via OE 25 Sep '17

25 Sep '17

Thanks Jim, for your brief explanation of “Taking a Knee.” Rod Rippel From: James Wiegel via OE Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:54 AM To: Lee Early ; Order Ecumenical Community Cc: ICA Dialogue Dialogue Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] You a sports fan? More to Lee's reflections MORE ON TAKING A KNEE: "Borrowed from Gail Larsen: Our country is injured - take a knee!! Sam, age 15 "Mom, I don't understand the outrage over people taking a knee. It's actually the most patriotic thing one can do when our anthem plays right now." I asked him to explain his train of thought. "My coach taught me you take a knee when a player is down from any team. You do it as a sign of respect and send energy to that player that he can not only get up, but not have an injury that he can't overcome. You're thanking him for a game hard played and hope he can join it soon. Both teams want the game to begin again, knowing their players are going to be ok and united in a show of comaraderie. Anyone with half a brain knows our country is injured, we have people down. It's time for all sides to take a knee and focus their energy on helping the injured so the game can go on. Our team, the U.S., is actually disrespectful if we stand and cheer while we have players down. I love my team, I care for its players. When the anthem plays I will take a knee and send energy to healing so that the team can play on." Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo..com www.partnersinparticipation.com We are all apprentices in a craft where no one ever becomes a master. Ernest Hemingway On Sep 25, 2017, at 05:06, Lee Early via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: I thought I could cut and paste this paper but, I’ll just attach it. Hope you can un-attach it and read it. <Glad you asked.docx> Have at it. Lee Lee Early 19230 Forest Park Dr. NE A-102 Lake Forest Park, WA 98155 Phone: (425)212-7997 lees.mail(a)comcast.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net

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Making White America Great Again
by W. J. via OE 24 Sep '17

24 Sep '17

Last week a French teacher at a public charter school in Wake Forest, NC caught a lot of flack for posting this poster, which links 'Make America Great Again' to covert white supremacy.Fox News didn't like it. Neither did many parents. This 'white supremacy pyramid' (or 'iceberg') chart was adapted from http://www.racialequitytools.org/resourcefiles/olcese.pdf that reflects an understanding of the 'intersectionality' of oppression. I highly recommend this document.Marshall Jones

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Salmon: A sound message
by William Salmon via OE 23 Sep '17

23 Sep '17

George-- What a surfeit of get well thoughts that are shared from those who've joined you on, "The Journey to the East." Those who have a way with words are truly prayers that speak from the innards of us all. Your real healing may have started years ago when you and your best-friend-clarinet sat in the backyard of Kwang Yung il and you tooted a tune. The healing lay in the practice. If you can put on your spirit/ears you'll also receive a deep blessing from a short--but true--story. During our year assignment to Seoul, we had a young musician staying with us who was auditioning with the Seoul Symphony. His instrument was the oboe. Each morning around 4 a.m., he started warming himself and his instrument using the next hour to play nothing but scales. Then, for the next 30 minutes he played his audition piece. The mournful, plaintive sound of the oboe awakened us all and left us floating in the sonority of that beautiful duo of soul and sound. I have a deep suspicion that this is a metaphor of your life and ministry. You and Wanda make beautiful music that continues to serve us well. You've led me to the deeps and rubbed my nose in service for which I am doubly glad. Inner Peace, Bill and Beverly ----- Original Message ----- From: Holcombe Wanda via OE To: laurelcg(a)aol.com ; Order Ecumenical Community Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] George Holcombe at Home Recovering fromPancreatic Cancer Surgery Thanks for all the support....as we all age, it is a great celebration to have a few more days to keep living to care for ALL. G&P Wanda Sent from my iPhone On Sep 22, 2017, at 2:14 PM, via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: I add my "Amen" to the community thanksgiving for Geoge's victory. Blessings, Jann McGuire -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Crocker via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> To: 'Wanda Holcombe' <wandah70(a)gmail.com>; 'Order Ecumenical Community' <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thu, Sep 21, 2017 6:17 pm Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] George Holcombe at Home Recovering from Pancreatic Cancer Surgery Dearest Wanda and George, It bites me in the butt when I take a vacation from my e-mail, which I did, intentionally for a few days, and so missed your important news. Mea Culpa. Joe and I celebrate you, and your always “can do, and we will!” stance, living out of radical possibility. And we also celebrate your gifted health care givers, from your precious Sarai, the 21st century Florence Nightingale, to the specialists who conducted the surgery. From here on the Maine coast we are howling to the moon and bowing to the ocean (and praying to the Mystery that sustains both moon, ocean and all of us) for the continued health and strength of the amazing Holcombe family, whom we have loved for so many decades. Grace, peace and love, Marilyn and Joe From: OE [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Wanda Holcombe via OE Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 6:05 PM To: OE Listserv Subject: [Oe List ...] George Holcombe at Home Recovering from Pancreatic Cancer Surgery The Holcombe Family invites you to celebrate George’s becoming part of the 1% .......whose Pancreatic Cancer was found early at stage 2 by our Asian Primary Care Doctor Sheila Shung who found it by requesting a CTC scan one day, an MRI the next day, and setting up an appointment the next day with surgeon, Dr Declan Fleming of Texas Oncology who performed the Laparoscopic Surgery to remove 1/2 of his Pancreas where the cancerous Tumor was located along with his Spleen, a few Lymph Nodes and blood vessels at the new Dell Seaton UT Medical Center Hospital in downtown Austin (new Medical School that opened in May) on Friday, September 8th, He received exceptional care from all the Hospital staff (and medical students too). Plus our day to day care from our wonderful daughter Sarai (our very own family Nurse). George is home now, and on a recovery plan for the next 2 to 3 months. ....encouraged by the good news the day he left the hospital this week that the biopsies taken confirmed the cancer had not spread to other parts of his body. The next steps will be to watch closely for signs of it returning, but no Chemo or radiation recommended. We were also able to be home in time to celebrate the life of our son Chris who died from stage 4 Prostate Cancer two years ago on September 13, 2015. Chris’ Memorial swing and tree with first year fall colors and growing tall and green by spring of year two. Chris’ Art piece - Memory Box “All is Good” by artist Glenda Adkinson, EI/ICA Austin colleague. Art piece “Let’s Celebrate” by artist May Lin, from Singapore. <image001.jpg> _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net Virus-free. www.avg.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net

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George Holcombe at Home Recovering from Pancreatic Cancer Surgery
by Wanda Holcombe via OE 22 Sep '17

22 Sep '17

The Holcombe Family invites you to celebrate George’s becoming part of the 1% .......whose Pancreatic Cancer was found early at stage 2 by our Asian Primary Care Doctor Sheila Shung who found it by requesting a CTC scan one day, an MRI the next day, and setting up an appointment the next day with surgeon, Dr Declan Fleming of Texas Oncology who performed the Laparoscopic Surgery to remove 1/2 of his Pancreas where the cancerous Tumor was located along with his Spleen, a few Lymph Nodes and blood vessels at the new Dell Seaton UT Medical Center Hospital in downtown Austin (new Medical School that opened in May) on Friday, September 8th, He received exceptional care from all the Hospital staff (and medical students too). Plus our day to day care from our wonderful daughter Sarai (our very own family Nurse). George is home now, and on a recovery plan for the next 2 to 3 months. ....encouraged by the good news the day he left the hospital this week that the biopsies taken confirmed the cancer had not spread to other parts of his body. The next steps will be to watch closely for signs of it returning, but no Chemo or radiation recommended. We were also able to be home in time to celebrate the life of our son Chris who died from stage 4 Prostate Cancer two years ago on September 13, 2015. Chris’ Memorial swing and tree with first year fall colors and growing tall and green by spring of year two. Chris’ Art piece - Memory Box “All is Good” by artist Glenda Adkinson, EI/ICA Austin colleague. Art piece “Let’s Celebrate” by artist May Lin, from Singapore.

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Fall Equinox~Native American Day Greetings
by Ellie Stock via OE 22 Sep '17

22 Sep '17

Fall Equinox Greetings! In the Presbyterian Church Program Calendar, the day of the Fall Equinox is also designated as Native American Day. Columbus Day, Thanksgiving, and other days and months also have such designations. In once sense every day is a day to designate and remember the ancient wisdom that we have forgotten but that Indigenous Life Ways continue to teach us about living as part Earth and all Creation. The racial inequities and white privilege still rearing its ugly head in St. Louis and throughout the American society; the continued mistreatment and disenfranchisement of Native Americans; and the ramifications of political and economic colonialism which continue to lead us into wars (check out Ken Burns PBS series on Vietnam War); and the degradation of the Earth are rooted in the 15th Doctrine of Discovery which remains to this day part of US organic law and foreign policy. The words/prayers and music below were some of the liturgy we used at Second Presbyterian Church's (St. Louis) Celebration/Care of Creation service that wove together perspectives from science, Christian Faith and Indigenous Life Ways as they call humanity to live sustainably, compassionately, and justly as part of this emerging creation. Attached are copies of the service and a reflection I shared: "A Declaration of Interdependence." Blessings as a new season is upon us... Ellie :) elliestock(a)aol.com Every part of this earth is sacred, every shining pine needle, every sandy shore, every mist in the dark woods, every clearing and humming insect is holy. the rocky crest, the juices of the meadow, the beasts and all the people, all belong to the same family. Teach your children that the earth is our mother. Whatever befalls the earth befalls the children of the earth. The water’s murmur is the voice of our father’s father. We are part of the earth, and the earth is part of us. The rivers are our brothers; they quench our thirst. The perfumed flowers are our sisters. The air is precious. For all of us share the same breath. The wind that gave our grandparents breath also receives their last sigh. The wind gave our children the spirit of life. This we know, the earth does not belong to us; we belong to the earth. This we know, all things are connected, like the blood which unites one family. All things are connected. Our God is the same God, whose compassion is equal for all. For we did not weave the web of life; we are merely a strand in it. Whatever we do to the web we do to ourselves. ~ Chief Seattle Now I Walk In Beauty (Navajo Prayer) arr. by ... - YouTube www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGXI93Z6ieM Now I Walk In Beauty ... Play now; Mix - Now I Walk In Beauty ... Jane Valencia - Celtic harp & song - "I Walk In Beauty" ... Now I Walk In Beauty - Saint Anselm College www.anselm.edu/Documents/Academics/Departments/Nursing Continuing... Now I walk in Beau ty. ... - - - Beau-ty is be - hind me, a bove and be - - low me. Now I Walk in Beauty traditional. Title: Prayer to TheFour Directions by Chief Seattle Great Spiritof Light, come to me out of the East (red) with the power of the rising sun.Let there be light in my words, let there be light on my path that I walk. Letme remember always that you give the gift of a new day. And never let me beburdened with sorrow by not starting over again. Great Spiritof Love, come to me with the power of the North (white). Make me courageouswhen the cold wind falls upon me. Give me strength and endurance for everythingthat is harsh, everything that hurts, everything that makes me squint. Let memove through life ready to take what comes from the north. GreatLife-Giving Spirit, I face the West (black), the direction of sundown. Let meremember every day that the moment will come when my sun will go down. Neverlet me forget that I must fade into you. Give me a beautiful color, give me agreat sky for setting, so that when it is my time to meet you, I can come withglory. Great Spiritof Creation, send me the warm and soothing winds from the South (yellow).Comfort me and caress me when I am tired and cold. Unfold me like the gentlebreezes that unfold the leaves on the trees. As you give to all the earth yourwarm, moving wind, give to me, so that I may grow close to you in warmth. Mandid not create the web of life, he is but a strand in it. Whatever man does tothe web, he does to himself.

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