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> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
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> > > > > > 5. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (James Wiegel)
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> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
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> > > > > > Whoops, that last message about Order Kids? structures was meant for Wesson. As an OE listserv newbie, I?m still trying to navigate.
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> > > > > > Responding to Debra?s comment, that?s one of the reasons I was compelled to write IRON BOY, to give a first-hand account from a child?s and teenager?s perspective from the beginning. Many friends, family, co-works and history buffs over multiple generations have heard about those early days in the Order, but I suspect much of it was second-, third-, or fourth-hand. It?s like playing Telephone as a kid. By the time the secret sentence whispered in each year gets to the end of the line, it?s a far cry from what the original child said.
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> > > > > > Another motivator for me: I wondered how many folks who joined the ICA in the 1970s and later ever knew what RS-1 was or could measure its direct or indirect impact for themselves if it was not longer available. Many readers may be surprised that an RS-1 primer is embedded inside IRON BOY for that very reason, albeit from an 11-year-old?s perspective. Many EI/ICA alumni may still ask today how much of RS-1 could be understood by a child or teenager. I?ll attempt to answer that in a listserv post this coming weekend.
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> > > > > > ? I ordered it on Kindle and just started reading it- thank you David for your perspective and insights.
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> > > > > > I encountered and joined the Order in 1984 when I was 26 and often wondered what is was like to grow up in the Order, especially in the earlier years.
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> > > > > > Dear Former Order Colleagues & Friends,
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> > > > > > Sunday ?House Church? Blastoff! (Father?s Day - appropriate launch day since Order fathers loom large in this book)
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> > > > > > IRON BOY is officially for sale today on Amazon as both a paperback and e-book.
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> > > > > > The Iron Man statue is still alive and well in Fifth City sixty years later. In 2021, I visited Chicago with my wife, daughter, son, and their partners, and we all went to visit Fifth City and the Iron Man?they for the first time. Attached are some photos, of me in front of the Iron Man with the Program Center in the background where I took part of the Academy, the still-running ?Iron Man Can? Fifth City Preschool, and my old elementary school, now renamed Leif Ericson Scholastic Academy.
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> > > > > > And finally a little artifact from that era I just received. I visited my 93-year old dad Gene and 91-year-old step-mom Joyce in Texas recently, and they gave me this seven-inch-tall metal Iron Man statute that they had picked up along the way from the Wichita Religious House. Did all the Religious Houses have one?
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> > > > > > When I raise up my hands like the Iron Man, I think of these words from the Order song, ?Free, free, free to decide, what this world is going to be.? We've still got a lot of work to do!
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> > > > > > Much appreciation for putting up with my 10-week House Church countdown to IRON BOY?s debut. If you read it, or share it with others, please let me know the impact. You can obtain both the paperback and e-book now on Amazon, and through other bookstores soon.
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Interesting remark, Diann, can you say more about what is resonating?
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> > > > > > > > > I think when the replication projects began ‘76 ish, George Walters had the idea to make replicas for each location.
> > > > > > > > > George & I were assigned to 5th City at the time. I drove to someplace in Chicago and picked up the statues. They were then distributed at the next Council.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Whoops, that last message about Order Kids? structures was meant for Wesson. As an OE listserv newbie, I?m still trying to navigate.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Responding to Debra?s comment, that?s one of the reasons I was compelled to write IRON BOY, to give a first-hand account from a child?s and teenager?s perspective from the beginning. Many friends, family, co-works and history buffs over multiple generations have heard about those early days in the Order, but I suspect much of it was second-, third-, or fourth-hand. It?s like playing Telephone as a kid. By the time the secret sentence whispered in each year gets to the end of the line, it?s a far cry from what the original child said.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Another motivator for me: I wondered how many folks who joined the ICA in the 1970s and later ever knew what RS-1 was or could measure its direct or indirect impact for themselves if it was not longer available. Many readers may be surprised that an RS-1 primer is embedded inside IRON BOY for that very reason, albeit from an 11-year-old?s perspective. Many EI/ICA alumni may still ask today how much of RS-1 could be understood by a child or teenager. I?ll attempt to answer that in a listserv post this coming weekend.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > ? I ordered it on Kindle and just started reading it- thank you David for your perspective and insights.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes David, There was an Iron Man statue in every Religious House. Congratulations on your book. I have ordered it, Mary Laura Jones
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday ?House Church? Blastoff! (Father?s Day - appropriate launch day since Order fathers loom large in this book)
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> > > > > > > > > > > > IRON BOY is officially for sale today on Amazon as both a paperback and e-book.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The Iron Man statue is still alive and well in Fifth City sixty years later. In 2021, I visited Chicago with my wife, daughter, son, and their partners, and we all went to visit Fifth City and the Iron Man?they for the first time. Attached are some photos, of me in front of the Iron Man with the Program Center in the background where I took part of the Academy, the still-running ?Iron Man Can? Fifth City Preschool, and my old elementary school, now renamed Leif Ericson Scholastic Academy.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Also a vintage wintertime Iron Man statue photo that I used for the front cover of IRON BOY.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > And finally a little artifact from that era I just received. I visited my 93-year old dad Gene and 91-year-old step-mom Joyce in Texas recently, and they gave me this seven-inch-tall metal Iron Man statute that they had picked up along the way from the Wichita Religious House. Did all the Religious Houses have one?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > When I raise up my hands like the Iron Man, I think of these words from the Order song, ?Free, free, free to decide, what this world is going to be.? We've still got a lot of work to do!
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Much appreciation for putting up with my 10-week House Church countdown to IRON BOY?s debut. If you read it, or share it with others, please let me know the impact. You can obtain both the paperback and e-book now on Amazon, and through other bookstores soon.
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Yes, much appreciation 🙏, Karen for sharing that lovely Iron Man original story from Jean Loomis. I didn’t realize the intricacies of the design harked back to the X in the RS-1 Christ lecture and the wedge blade from the Church lecture. For those of you who don’t click on the Archives link to 4-page PDF description from Jean, at least read this screenshot paragraph: Deconstructing the work.
My dad often said he thought he was Jean Loomis’s model for the Iron Man, since he was long and lanky like the Iron Man. I got a kick out of that. To Jean’s urban myth comment at the end her piece, I wonder how many people in Fifth City and beyond fancied themselves the model or fabricated the creator of this iconic statue. It’s all Good. 😃
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That is my recollection as well.
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> > > > > > > > I think when the replication projects began ‘76 ish, George Walters had the idea to make replicas for each location.
> > > > > > > > George & I were assigned to 5th City at the time. I drove to someplace in Chicago and picked up the statues. They were then distributed at the next Council.
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> > > > > > > > > > > 1. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (David Marshall)
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> > > > > > > > > > > 3. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (Debra Harris)
> > > > > > > > > > > 4. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (Susan Fertig)
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> > > > > > > > > > > David, I took my RS-1 the first time in 1971. It was very much still available.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
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> > > > > > > > > > > Whoops, that last message about Order Kids? structures was meant for Wesson. As an OE listserv newbie, I?m still trying to navigate.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Responding to Debra?s comment, that?s one of the reasons I was compelled to write IRON BOY, to give a first-hand account from a child?s and teenager?s perspective from the beginning. Many friends, family, co-works and history buffs over multiple generations have heard about those early days in the Order, but I suspect much of it was second-, third-, or fourth-hand. It?s like playing Telephone as a kid. By the time the secret sentence whispered in each year gets to the end of the line, it?s a far cry from what the original child said.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Another motivator for me: I wondered how many folks who joined the ICA in the 1970s and later ever knew what RS-1 was or could measure its direct or indirect impact for themselves if it was not longer available. Many readers may be surprised that an RS-1 primer is embedded inside IRON BOY for that very reason, albeit from an 11-year-old?s perspective. Many EI/ICA alumni may still ask today how much of RS-1 could be understood by a child or teenager. I?ll attempt to answer that in a listserv post this coming weekend.
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My Dad shared this with me years ago - RS1 in a Nutshell. I do not know who said it originally except to know it was not my Dad or Mom
With respect,
Larry
I was conducting collegium in London and got off on one of my tangents, and gave a carefully memorized speech to the group. The speech was this: He who does not know he lives in one hell of a universe peopled with son-of-a-bitches finally ends up in the corner sucking his thumb between tears and gripes and therefore, denies himself the experience of the glorious virtue of his one hell of a universe and the awareness of the warmth and the collegiality among us son-of-a-bitches. That's RS-I in a nutshell. Why we wasted 44 hours, I don't know. Anyway, then when we were boarding the plane at the airport, later, some guy at customs said, "Do you have anything to declare? I hear that in my dreams. "Do you have anything to declare?" "Do you have anything to declare?" So, one guy was looking at Pierce's passport and he said, "Mr. Pierce, do you have anything to declare?" And Pierce said, "Do I have something to declare? I do indeed have something to declare. I declare that this is one hell of a universe peopled with son-of-a-bitches and he who does not know it finally ends up in the corner sucking his thumb between tears and grips and therefore, denies himself the experience of the glorious virtue of this one hell of a universe and the awareness of the warmth and the collegiality among us son-of-a-bitches. I do declare!"
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I learned the key elements of RS-1 in the Leadership Options program developed by George & (Keith) Elise Packard, Jan Ames and others in the early 90's. I later became part of the LO training team, with the hope of expanding its locations, which we found difficult to do.
Later on, John Cock led an effort with others to refine and redevelop the RS-I into the Profound Journey Dialogue. I became part of that team also, but it was challenging to market it to a broader audience. I know the new format was taught many times, each in different cities. I know it was taught at least twice in MN. I would need to check on the dates.
All Good Wishes,Cheryl Kartes, Mpls, MN
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When was the last RS-1 taught? Did it vary depending on the area? And was it taught in Canada or any other nations?
Of course the concepts of RS-1 were embedded into ITI and HDTP, as well as the Academy. However, the Turn to the World necessitated a reformulation, to broaden language & context for a variety of cultures & faith traditions- though the fundamental concepts were universal.
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David, I took my RS-1 the first time in 1971. It was very much still available.
Susan
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Whoops, that last message about Order Kids? structures was meant for Wesson. As an OE listserv newbie, I?m still trying to navigate.
Responding to Debra?s comment, that?s one of the reasons I was compelled to write IRON BOY, to give a first-hand account from a child?s and teenager?s perspective from the beginning. Many friends, family, co-works and history buffs over multiple generations have heard about those early days in the Order, but I suspect much of it was second-, third-, or fourth-hand. It?s like playing Telephone as a kid. By the time the secret sentence whispered in each year gets to the end of the line, it?s a far cry from what the original child said.
Another motivator for me: I wondered how many folks who joined the ICA in the 1970s and later ever knew what RS-1 was or could measure its direct or indirect impact for themselves if it was not longer available. Many readers may be surprised that an RS-1 primer is embedded inside IRON BOY for that very reason, albeit from an 11-year-old?s perspective. Many EI/ICA alumni may still ask today how much of RS-1 could be understood by a child or teenager. I?ll attempt to answer that in a listserv post this coming weekend.
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? I ordered it on Kindle and just started reading it- thank you David for your perspective and insights.
I encountered and joined the Order in 1984 when I was 26 and often wondered what is was like to grow up in the Order, especially in the earlier years.
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I don't remember having an Iron Man statue in the houses I was in.. but it was a long time ago.
Dick
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Yes David, There was an Iron Man statue in every Religious House. Congratulations on your book. I have ordered it, Mary Laura Jones
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Dear Former Order Colleagues & Friends,
Sunday ?House Church? Blastoff! (Father?s Day - appropriate launch day since Order fathers loom large in this book)
IRON BOY is officially for sale today on Amazon as both a paperback and e-book.
The Iron Man statue is still alive and well in Fifth City sixty years later. In 2021, I visited Chicago with my wife, daughter, son, and their partners, and we all went to visit Fifth City and the Iron Man?they for the first time. Attached are some photos, of me in front of the Iron Man with the Program Center in the background where I took part of the Academy, the still-running ?Iron Man Can? Fifth City Preschool, and my old elementary school, now renamed Leif Ericson Scholastic Academy.
Also a vintage wintertime Iron Man statue photo that I used for the front cover of IRON BOY.
And finally a little artifact from that era I just received. I visited my 93-year old dad Gene and 91-year-old step-mom Joyce in Texas recently, and they gave me this seven-inch-tall metal Iron Man statute that they had picked up along the way from the Wichita Religious House. Did all the Religious Houses have one?
When I raise up my hands like the Iron Man, I think of these words from the Order song, ?Free, free, free to decide, what this world is going to be.? We've still got a lot of work to do!
Much appreciation for putting up with my 10-week House Church countdown to IRON BOY?s debut. If you read it, or share it with others, please let me know the impact. You can obtain both the paperback and e-book now on Amazon, and through other bookstores soon.
https://www.amazon.com/IRON-BOY-Searching-Freedom-Religious/dp/B0FCMMVHDC
Grace & Peace,
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I learned the key elements of RS-1 in the Leadership Options program developed by George & (Keith) Elise Packard, Jan Ames and others in the early 90's. I later became part of the LO training team, with the hope of expanding its locations, which we found difficult to do.
Later on, John Cock led an effort with others to refine and redevelop the RS-I into the Profound Journey Dialogue. I became part of that team also, but it was challenging to market it to a broader audience. I know the new format was taught many times, each in different cities. I know it was taught at least twice in MN. I would need to check on the dates.
All Good Wishes,
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David, I took my RS-1 the first time in 1971. It was very much still available.
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Whoops, that last message about Order Kids? structures was meant for Wesson. As an OE listserv newbie, I?m still trying to navigate.
Responding to Debra?s comment, that?s one of the reasons I was compelled to write IRON BOY, to give a first-hand account from a child?s and teenager?s perspective from the beginning. Many friends, family, co-works and history buffs over multiple generations have heard about those early days in the Order, but I suspect much of it was second-, third-, or fourth-hand. It?s like playing Telephone as a kid. By the time the secret sentence whispered in each year gets to the end of the line, it?s a far cry from what the original child said.
Another motivator for me: I wondered how many folks who joined the ICA in the 1970s and later ever knew what RS-1 was or could measure its direct or indirect impact for themselves if it was not longer available. Many readers may be surprised that an RS-1 primer is embedded inside IRON BOY for that very reason, albeit from an 11-year-old?s perspective. Many EI/ICA alumni may still ask today how much of RS-1 could be understood by a child or teenager. I?ll attempt to answer that in a listserv post this coming weekend.
David, Moraga, CA
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? I ordered it on Kindle and just started reading it- thank you David for your perspective and insights.
I encountered and joined the Order in 1984 when I was 26 and often wondered what is was like to grow up in the Order, especially in the earlier years.
Sincerely,
Debra Harris Watson
Houston
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They weren't very big . . .
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I don't remember having an Iron Man statue in the houses I was in.. but it was a long time ago.
Dick
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Yes David, There was an Iron Man statue in every Religious House. Congratulations on your book. I have ordered it, Mary Laura Jones
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Dear Former Order Colleagues & Friends,
Sunday ?House Church? Blastoff! (Father?s Day - appropriate launch day since Order fathers loom large in this book)
IRON BOY is officially for sale today on Amazon as both a paperback and e-book.
The Iron Man statue is still alive and well in Fifth City sixty years later. In 2021, I visited Chicago with my wife, daughter, son, and their partners, and we all went to visit Fifth City and the Iron Man?they for the first time. Attached are some photos, of me in front of the Iron Man with the Program Center in the background where I took part of the Academy, the still-running ?Iron Man Can? Fifth City Preschool, and my old elementary school, now renamed Leif Ericson Scholastic Academy.
Also a vintage wintertime Iron Man statue photo that I used for the front cover of IRON BOY.
And finally a little artifact from that era I just received. I visited my 93-year old dad Gene and 91-year-old step-mom Joyce in Texas recently, and they gave me this seven-inch-tall metal Iron Man statute that they had picked up along the way from the Wichita Religious House. Did all the Religious Houses have one?
When I raise up my hands like the Iron Man, I think of these words from the Order song, ?Free, free, free to decide, what this world is going to be.? We've still got a lot of work to do!
Much appreciation for putting up with my 10-week House Church countdown to IRON BOY?s debut. If you read it, or share it with others, please let me know the impact. You can obtain both the paperback and e-book now on Amazon, and through other bookstores soon.
https://www.amazon.com/IRON-BOY-Searching-Freedom-Religious/dp/B0FCMMVHDC
Grace & Peace,
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I learned the key elements of RS-1 in the Leadership Options program developed by George & (Keith) Elise Packard, Jan Ames and others in the early 90's. I later became part of the LO training team, with the hope of expanding its locations, which we found difficult to do.
Later on, John Cock led an effort with others to refine and redevelop the RS-I into the Profound Journey Dialogue. I became part of that team also, but it was challenging to market it to a broader audience. I know the new format was taught many times, each in different cities. I know it was taught at least twice in MN. I would need to check on the dates.
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David, I took my RS-1 the first time in 1971. It was very much still available.
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Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
Whoops, that last message about Order Kids? structures was meant for Wesson. As an OE listserv newbie, I?m still trying to navigate.
Responding to Debra?s comment, that?s one of the reasons I was compelled to write IRON BOY, to give a first-hand account from a child?s and teenager?s perspective from the beginning. Many friends, family, co-works and history buffs over multiple generations have heard about those early days in the Order, but I suspect much of it was second-, third-, or fourth-hand. It?s like playing Telephone as a kid. By the time the secret sentence whispered in each year gets to the end of the line, it?s a far cry from what the original child said.
Another motivator for me: I wondered how many folks who joined the ICA in the 1970s and later ever knew what RS-1 was or could measure its direct or indirect impact for themselves if it was not longer available. Many readers may be surprised that an RS-1 primer is embedded inside IRON BOY for that very reason, albeit from an 11-year-old?s perspective. Many EI/ICA alumni may still ask today how much of RS-1 could be understood by a child or teenager. I?ll attempt to answer that in a listserv post this coming weekend.
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? I ordered it on Kindle and just started reading it- thank you David for your perspective and insights.
I encountered and joined the Order in 1984 when I was 26 and often wondered what is was like to grow up in the Order, especially in the earlier years.
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Debra Harris Watson
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I don't remember having an Iron Man statue in the houses I was in.. but it was a long time ago.
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Yes David, There was an Iron Man statue in every Religious House. Congratulations on your book. I have ordered it, Mary Laura Jones
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Dear Former Order Colleagues & Friends,
Sunday ?House Church? Blastoff! (Father?s Day - appropriate launch day since Order fathers loom large in this book)
IRON BOY is officially for sale today on Amazon as both a paperback and e-book.
The Iron Man statue is still alive and well in Fifth City sixty years later. In 2021, I visited Chicago with my wife, daughter, son, and their partners, and we all went to visit Fifth City and the Iron Man?they for the first time. Attached are some photos, of me in front of the Iron Man with the Program Center in the background where I took part of the Academy, the still-running ?Iron Man Can? Fifth City Preschool, and my old elementary school, now renamed Leif Ericson Scholastic Academy.
Also a vintage wintertime Iron Man statue photo that I used for the front cover of IRON BOY.
And finally a little artifact from that era I just received. I visited my 93-year old dad Gene and 91-year-old step-mom Joyce in Texas recently, and they gave me this seven-inch-tall metal Iron Man statute that they had picked up along the way from the Wichita Religious House. Did all the Religious Houses have one?
When I raise up my hands like the Iron Man, I think of these words from the Order song, ?Free, free, free to decide, what this world is going to be.? We've still got a lot of work to do!
Much appreciation for putting up with my 10-week House Church countdown to IRON BOY?s debut. If you read it, or share it with others, please let me know the impact. You can obtain both the paperback and e-book now on Amazon, and through other bookstores soon.
https://www.amazon.com/IRON-BOY-Searching-Freedom-Religious/dp/B0FCMMVHDC
Grace & Peace,
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The RSI recreation in the later time was called Profound Journey Dialogue. It was taught globally by those engaged in the recreation. Evelyn and I taught it in Taiwan and Nepal. Evelyn and my Mom took it with others in Chicago. Others taught it other places including in the US and Canada. It never became an official program of the ICA to my knowledge but it was a great exploration experience and effective in the areas it was used.
With respect,
Larry
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The Young Prophets Collective just finished their first prophetic retreat.That leaves me wondering—what happened to the Old Prophets?And when did we turn into the Old Guard?Some of us died recently. Notably Walter Bruggemann:
“We will not understand the meaning of prophetic imagination unless we see the connection between the religion of static triumphalism and the politics of oppression and exploitation,” Dr. Brueggemann wrote in “The Prophetic Imagination.”
I for one have had way more than enough of "the religion of static triumphalism and the politics of oppression and exploitation."
Marshall Jones
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