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I learned the key elements of RS-1 in the Leadership Options program developed by George & (Keith) Elise Packard, Jan Ames and others in the early 90's. I later became part of the LO training team, with the hope of expanding its locations, which we found difficult to do. Later on, John Cock led an effort with others to refine and redevelop the RS-I into the Profound Journey Dialogue. I became part of that team also, but it was challenging to market it to a broader audience. I know the new format was taught many times, each in different cities. I know it was taught at least twice in MN. I would need to check on the dates. All Good Wishes,Cheryl Kartes, Mpls, MN From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of Debra Harris via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 6:36:58 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Debra Harris <quantum1135@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today When was the last RS-1 taught? Did it vary depending on the area? And was it taught in Canada or any other nations? Of course the concepts of RS-1 were embedded into ITI and HDTP, as well as the Academy. However, the Turn to the World necessitated a reformulation, to broaden language & context for a variety of cultures & faith traditions- though the fundamental concepts were universal. Debra Harris-Watson Houston On Friday, June 20, 2025 at 08:30:14 PM CDT, <oe-request@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Send OE mailing list submissions to oe@lists.wedgeblade.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oe-request@lists.wedgeblade.net You can reach the person managing the list at oe-owner@lists.wedgeblade.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of OE digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (David Marshall) 2. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (Susan Fertig) 3. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (Debra Harris) 4. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (Susan Fertig) 5. 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Isaiah 58:11 From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> On Behalf Of David Marshall via OE Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 4:09 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: David Marshall <davidpaulmarshall1956@gmail.com>; Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today Whoops, that last message about Order Kids? structures was meant for Wesson. As an OE listserv newbie, I?m still trying to navigate. Responding to Debra?s comment, that?s one of the reasons I was compelled to write IRON BOY, to give a first-hand account from a child?s and teenager?s perspective from the beginning. Many friends, family, co-works and history buffs over multiple generations have heard about those early days in the Order, but I suspect much of it was second-, third-, or fourth-hand. It?s like playing Telephone as a kid. By the time the secret sentence whispered in each year gets to the end of the line, it?s a far cry from what the original child said. Another motivator for me: I wondered how many folks who joined the ICA in the 1970s and later ever knew what RS-1 was or could measure its direct or indirect impact for themselves if it was not longer available. Many readers may be surprised that an RS-1 primer is embedded inside IRON BOY for that very reason, albeit from an 11-year-old?s perspective. Many EI/ICA alumni may still ask today how much of RS-1 could be understood by a child or teenager. I?ll attempt to answer that in a listserv post this coming weekend. David, Moraga, CA Sent from my iPad David Marshall www.marshallbooks.net<http://www.marshallbooks.net> On Jun 19, 2025, at 7:38?PM, Debra Harris via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: ? I ordered it on Kindle and just started reading it- thank you David for your perspective and insights. I encountered and joined the Order in 1984 when I was 26 and often wondered what is was like to grow up in the Order, especially in the earlier years. Sincerely, Debra Harris Watson Houston Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_&af_ios_store_cpp=9d3a686e-218d-4849-8298-b480188dc8ac&af_android_url=https%3A%2F%2Fplay.google.com%2Fstore%2Fapps%2Fdetails%3Fid%3Dcom.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail%26listing%3Demail_signature> On Thursday, June 19, 2025, 7:26 PM, James Wiegel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: They weren't very big . . . Jim Wiegel <http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/> The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com<mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com<http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/> On Thursday, June 19, 2025 at 12:32:46 PM MST, Richard Alton via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: I don't remember having an Iron Man statue in the houses I was in.. but it was a long time ago. Dick On Thu, Jun 19, 2025 at 2:29?PM ML Jones via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: Yes David, There was an Iron Man statue in every Religious House. Congratulations on your book. I have ordered it, Mary Laura Jones Mary Laura Jones Grants Resource Development Consultant 53599 Pulver Road Three Rivers, MI 49093 cell: 773 636-2022 mljones2022@gmail.com<mailto:mljones2022@gmail.com> On Sun, Jun 15, 2025 at 4:01?AM David Marshall via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: Dear Former Order Colleagues & Friends, Sunday ?House Church? Blastoff! (Father?s Day - appropriate launch day since Order fathers loom large in this book) IRON BOY is officially for sale today on Amazon as both a paperback and e-book. The Iron Man statue is still alive and well in Fifth City sixty years later. In 2021, I visited Chicago with my wife, daughter, son, and their partners, and we all went to visit Fifth City and the Iron Man?they for the first time. Attached are some photos, of me in front of the Iron Man with the Program Center in the background where I took part of the Academy, the still-running ?Iron Man Can? Fifth City Preschool, and my old elementary school, now renamed Leif Ericson Scholastic Academy. Also a vintage wintertime Iron Man statue photo that I used for the front cover of IRON BOY. And finally a little artifact from that era I just received. I visited my 93-year old dad Gene and 91-year-old step-mom Joyce in Texas recently, and they gave me this seven-inch-tall metal Iron Man statute that they had picked up along the way from the Wichita Religious House. Did all the Religious Houses have one? When I raise up my hands like the Iron Man, I think of these words from the Order song, ?Free, free, free to decide, what this world is going to be.? We've still got a lot of work to do! Much appreciation for putting up with my 10-week House Church countdown to IRON BOY?s debut. If you read it, or share it with others, please let me know the impact. You can obtain both the paperback and e-book now on Amazon, and through other bookstores soon. https://www.amazon.com/IRON-BOY-Searching-Freedom-Religious/dp/B0FCMMVHDC Grace & Peace, David Marshall, www.marshallbooks.net<http://www.marshallbooks.net> _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -- Richard H. T. 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Re the religious house iron men statues, I believe I have the Denver one. I never realized the RH name was on it! Now I have to see where it went (it was in my living room until recently when I was redoing a lot of things). So many things, so rich a history we share. I had RS-I in April 1971 and recruited many more in the next several years. *Sunny Walker * *She/her/hers* *On **Arapaho, Cheyenne, Núu-agha-tʉvʉ-pʉ̱ (Ute), and Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux) tribal land* Certified Facilitator (Also Certified ToP Facilitator) ToP Methods Mentor Trainer - Upcoming Courses <https://www.top-training.net/w/> Virtual Facilitation Collaborative Senior Facilitator sunny.sunwalker@gmail.com 303-587-3017 For diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging inquiries: sunny@diversityinnovators.com www.diversityinnovators.com For virtual facilitation inquiries: sunny@virtualfacilitationcollaborative.com www.virtualfacilitationcollaborative.com On Sat, Jun 21, 2025 at 9:10 AM Cheryl via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
I learned the key elements of RS-1 in the Leadership Options program developed by George & (Keith) Elise Packard, Jan Ames and others in the early 90's. I later became part of the LO training team, with the hope of expanding its locations, which we found difficult to do.
Later on, John Cock led an effort with others to refine and redevelop the RS-I into the Profound Journey Dialogue. I became part of that team also, but it was challenging to market it to a broader audience. I know the new format was taught many times, each in different cities. I know it was taught at least twice in MN. I would need to check on the dates.
All Good Wishes, Cheryl Kartes, Mpls, MN
From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of Debra Harris via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 6:36:58 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Debra Harris <quantum1135@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
When was the last RS-1 taught? Did it vary depending on the area? And was it taught in Canada or any other nations?
Of course the concepts of RS-1 were embedded into ITI and HDTP, as well as the Academy. However, the Turn to the World necessitated a reformulation, to broaden language & context for a variety of cultures & faith traditions- though the fundamental concepts were universal.
Debra Harris-Watson Houston
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David, I took my RS-1 the first time in 1971. It was very much still available.
Susan
Susan Fertig-Dykes
And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought . Isaiah 58:11
From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> On Behalf Of David Marshall via OE Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 4:09 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: David Marshall <davidpaulmarshall1956@gmail.com>; Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
Whoops, that last message about Order Kids? structures was meant for Wesson. As an OE listserv newbie, I?m still trying to navigate.
Responding to Debra?s comment, that?s one of the reasons I was compelled to write IRON BOY, to give a first-hand account from a child?s and teenager?s perspective from the beginning. Many friends, family, co-works and history buffs over multiple generations have heard about those early days in the Order, but I suspect much of it was second-, third-, or fourth-hand. It?s like playing Telephone as a kid. By the time the secret sentence whispered in each year gets to the end of the line, it?s a far cry from what the original child said.
Another motivator for me: I wondered how many folks who joined the ICA in the 1970s and later ever knew what RS-1 was or could measure its direct or indirect impact for themselves if it was not longer available. Many readers may be surprised that an RS-1 primer is embedded inside IRON BOY for that very reason, albeit from an 11-year-old?s perspective. Many EI/ICA alumni may still ask today how much of RS-1 could be understood by a child or teenager. I?ll attempt to answer that in a listserv post this coming weekend.
David, Moraga, CA
Sent from my iPad David Marshall www.marshallbooks.net<http://www.marshallbooks.net>
On Jun 19, 2025, at 7:38?PM, Debra Harris via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: ? I ordered it on Kindle and just started reading it- thank you David for your perspective and insights.
I encountered and joined the Order in 1984 when I was 26 and often wondered what is was like to grow up in the Order, especially in the earlier years.
Sincerely, Debra Harris Watson Houston
On Thursday, June 19, 2025, 7:26 PM, James Wiegel via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: They weren't very big . . .
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On Thursday, June 19, 2025 at 12:32:46 PM MST, Richard Alton via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
I don't remember having an Iron Man statue in the houses I was in.. but it was a long time ago. Dick
On Thu, Jun 19, 2025 at 2:29?PM ML Jones via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: Yes David, There was an Iron Man statue in every Religious House. Congratulations on your book. I have ordered it, Mary Laura Jones
Mary Laura Jones Grants Resource Development Consultant 53599 Pulver Road Three Rivers, MI 49093 cell: 773 636-2022 mljones2022@gmail.com<mailto:mljones2022@gmail.com>
On Sun, Jun 15, 2025 at 4:01?AM David Marshall via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: Dear Former Order Colleagues & Friends,
Sunday ?House Church? Blastoff! (Father?s Day - appropriate launch day since Order fathers loom large in this book)
IRON BOY is officially for sale today on Amazon as both a paperback and e-book.
The Iron Man statue is still alive and well in Fifth City sixty years later. In 2021, I visited Chicago with my wife, daughter, son, and their partners, and we all went to visit Fifth City and the Iron Man?they for the first time. Attached are some photos, of me in front of the Iron Man with the Program Center in the background where I took part of the Academy, the still-running ?Iron Man Can? Fifth City Preschool, and my old elementary school, now renamed Leif Ericson Scholastic Academy.
Also a vintage wintertime Iron Man statue photo that I used for the front cover of IRON BOY.
And finally a little artifact from that era I just received. I visited my 93-year old dad Gene and 91-year-old step-mom Joyce in Texas recently, and they gave me this seven-inch-tall metal Iron Man statute that they had picked up along the way from the Wichita Religious House. Did all the Religious Houses have one?
When I raise up my hands like the Iron Man, I think of these words from the Order song, ?Free, free, free to decide, what this world is going to be.? We've still got a lot of work to do!
Much appreciation for putting up with my 10-week House Church countdown to IRON BOY?s debut. If you read it, or share it with others, please let me know the impact. You can obtain both the paperback and e-book now on Amazon, and through other bookstores soon.
https://www.amazon.com/IRON-BOY-Searching-Freedom-Religious/dp/B0FCMMVHDC
Grace & Peace,
David Marshall, www.marshallbooks.net<http://www.marshallbooks.net>
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I think when the replication projects began ‘76 ish, George Walters had the idea to make replicas for each location. George & I were assigned to 5th City at the time. I drove to someplace in Chicago and picked up the statues. They were then distributed at the next Council. We also had lapel pens made at some point. The iron man in Fifth City was drawn by ??? (Maybe Jean) Lewis. She & her husband were in Order Community in the west side in mid/late 60’s. I have a statue in my living room. It is the one my Dad had & we took it to the shop for the guy make the copies. One of my daughter’s first tattoo was the Iron Man perhaps Iron we need a gender neutral name. Paula Personal Mission Statement: *I nurture love, peace & harmony in every situation for my caring family, disempowered communities, and our precious planet.* On Sun, Jun 22, 2025 at 11:29 AM David Marshall via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Where’s IM Waldo? These mini Iron Man statues may be artifacts. If only one was made per Religious House, then there were only 50-100 of them in circulation then, and surely fewer now. I wonder how my dad got a hold of the one from the Wichita RH. He didn’t have any connection to that house, but since we joined the Order in Evanston in 1962 from Olathe, Kansas, not far from Wichita, it seems oddly appropriate for this one to have landed with the Marshall clan. Collectors items from an OE bygone era. 😊
Sent from my iPhone David Marshall www.marshallbooks.net
On Jun 22, 2025, at 9:06 AM, Sunny Walker via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Re the religious house iron men statues, I believe I have the Denver one. I never realized the RH name was on it! Now I have to see where it went (it was in my living room until recently when I was redoing a lot of things). So many things, so rich a history we share. I had RS-I in April 1971 and recruited many more in the next several years.
*Sunny Walker * *She/her/hers* *On **Arapaho, Cheyenne, Núu-agha-tʉvʉ-pʉ̱ (Ute), and Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux) tribal land*
Certified Facilitator (Also Certified ToP Facilitator) ToP Methods Mentor Trainer - Upcoming Courses <https://www.top-training.net/w/> Virtual Facilitation Collaborative Senior Facilitator sunny.sunwalker@gmail.com 303-587-3017
For diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging inquiries: sunny@diversityinnovators.com www.diversityinnovators.com
For virtual facilitation inquiries: sunny@virtualfacilitationcollaborative.com www.virtualfacilitationcollaborative.com
On Sat, Jun 21, 2025 at 9:10 AM Cheryl via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
I learned the key elements of RS-1 in the Leadership Options program developed by George & (Keith) Elise Packard, Jan Ames and others in the early 90's. I later became part of the LO training team, with the hope of expanding its locations, which we found difficult to do.
Later on, John Cock led an effort with others to refine and redevelop the RS-I into the Profound Journey Dialogue. I became part of that team also, but it was challenging to market it to a broader audience. I know the new format was taught many times, each in different cities. I know it was taught at least twice in MN. I would need to check on the dates.
All Good Wishes, Cheryl Kartes, Mpls, MN
From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of Debra Harris via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 6:36:58 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Debra Harris <quantum1135@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
When was the last RS-1 taught? Did it vary depending on the area? And was it taught in Canada or any other nations?
Of course the concepts of RS-1 were embedded into ITI and HDTP, as well as the Academy. However, the Turn to the World necessitated a reformulation, to broaden language & context for a variety of cultures & faith traditions- though the fundamental concepts were universal.
Debra Harris-Watson Houston
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David, I took my RS-1 the first time in 1971. It was very much still available.
Susan
Susan Fertig-Dykes
And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought . Isaiah 58:11
From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> On Behalf Of David Marshall via OE Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 4:09 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: David Marshall <davidpaulmarshall1956@gmail.com>; Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
Whoops, that last message about Order Kids? structures was meant for Wesson. As an OE listserv newbie, I?m still trying to navigate.
Responding to Debra?s comment, that?s one of the reasons I was compelled to write IRON BOY, to give a first-hand account from a child?s and teenager?s perspective from the beginning. Many friends, family, co-works and history buffs over multiple generations have heard about those early days in the Order, but I suspect much of it was second-, third-, or fourth-hand. It?s like playing Telephone as a kid. By the time the secret sentence whispered in each year gets to the end of the line, it?s a far cry from what the original child said.
Another motivator for me: I wondered how many folks who joined the ICA in the 1970s and later ever knew what RS-1 was or could measure its direct or indirect impact for themselves if it was not longer available. Many readers may be surprised that an RS-1 primer is embedded inside IRON BOY for that very reason, albeit from an 11-year-old?s perspective. Many EI/ICA alumni may still ask today how much of RS-1 could be understood by a child or teenager. I?ll attempt to answer that in a listserv post this coming weekend.
David, Moraga, CA
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On Jun 19, 2025, at 7:38?PM, Debra Harris via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: ? I ordered it on Kindle and just started reading it- thank you David for your perspective and insights.
I encountered and joined the Order in 1984 when I was 26 and often wondered what is was like to grow up in the Order, especially in the earlier years.
Sincerely, Debra Harris Watson Houston
On Thursday, June 19, 2025, 7:26 PM, James Wiegel via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: They weren't very big . . .
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On Thursday, June 19, 2025 at 12:32:46 PM MST, Richard Alton via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
I don't remember having an Iron Man statue in the houses I was in.. but it was a long time ago. Dick
On Thu, Jun 19, 2025 at 2:29?PM ML Jones via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: Yes David, There was an Iron Man statue in every Religious House. Congratulations on your book. I have ordered it, Mary Laura Jones
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On Sun, Jun 15, 2025 at 4:01?AM David Marshall via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: Dear Former Order Colleagues & Friends,
Sunday ?House Church? Blastoff! (Father?s Day - appropriate launch day since Order fathers loom large in this book)
IRON BOY is officially for sale today on Amazon as both a paperback and e-book.
The Iron Man statue is still alive and well in Fifth City sixty years later. In 2021, I visited Chicago with my wife, daughter, son, and their partners, and we all went to visit Fifth City and the Iron Man?they for the first time. Attached are some photos, of me in front of the Iron Man with the Program Center in the background where I took part of the Academy, the still-running ?Iron Man Can? Fifth City Preschool, and my old elementary school, now renamed Leif Ericson Scholastic Academy.
Also a vintage wintertime Iron Man statue photo that I used for the front cover of IRON BOY.
And finally a little artifact from that era I just received. I visited my 93-year old dad Gene and 91-year-old step-mom Joyce in Texas recently, and they gave me this seven-inch-tall metal Iron Man statute that they had picked up along the way from the Wichita Religious House. Did all the Religious Houses have one?
When I raise up my hands like the Iron Man, I think of these words from the Order song, ?Free, free, free to decide, what this world is going to be.? We've still got a lot of work to do!
Much appreciation for putting up with my 10-week House Church countdown to IRON BOY?s debut. If you read it, or share it with others, please let me know the impact. You can obtain both the paperback and e-book now on Amazon, and through other bookstores soon.
https://www.amazon.com/IRON-BOY-Searching-Freedom-Religious/dp/B0FCMMVHDC
Grace & Peace,
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