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Sent using myEarthLink On Sun Jun 22 21:57:58 EDT 2025 Paula Philbrook via OE wrote: Thanks Ken Paula Personal Mission Statement: I nurture love, peace & harmony in every situation for my caring family, disempowered communities, and our precious planet. On Sun, Jun 22, 2025 at 6:51 PM Ken Fisher via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)
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Gender neutral Iron Person is a good idea.
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On Sun Jun 22 13:22:09 EDT 2025 Paula Philbrook via OE wrote: I think when the replication projects began ‘76 ish, George Walters had the idea to make replicas for each location. George & I were assigned to 5th City at the time. I drove to someplace in Chicago and picked up the statues. They were then distributed at the next Council.
We also had lapel pens made at some point.
The iron man in Fifth City was drawn by ??? (Maybe Jean) Lewis. She & her husband were in Order Community in the west side in mid/late 60’s.
I have a statue in my living room. It is the one my Dad had & we took it to the shop for the guy make the copies.
One of my daughter’s first tattoo was the Iron Man perhaps Iron we need a gender neutral name.
Paula
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wrote: Where’s IM Waldo? These mini Iron Man statues may be artifacts. If only one was made per Religious House, then there were only 50-100 of them in circulation then, and surely fewer now. I wonder how my dad got a hold of the one from the Wichita RH. He didn’t have any connection to that house, but since we joined the Order in Evanston in 1962 from Olathe, Kansas, not far from Wichita, it seems oddly appropriate for this one to have landed with the Marshall clan. Collectors items from an OE bygone era. 😊
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Re the religious house iron men statues, I believe I have the Denver one. I never realized the RH name was on it! Now I have to see where it went (it was in my living room until recently when I was redoing a lot of things). So many things, so rich a history we share. I had RS-I in April 1971 and recruited many more in the next several years.
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On Sat, Jun 21, 2025 at 9:10 AM Cheryl via OE <
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wrote: I learned the key elements of RS-1 in the Leadership Options program developed by George & (Keith) Elise Packard, Jan Ames and others in the early 90's. I later became part of the LO training team, with the hope of expanding its locations, which we found difficult to do.
Later on, John Cock led an effort with others to refine and redevelop the RS-I into the Profound Journey Dialogue. I became part of that team also, but it was challenging to market it to a broader audience. I know the new format was taught many times, each in different cities. I know it was taught at least twice in MN. I would need to check on the dates.
All Good Wishes, Cheryl Kartes, Mpls, MN
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1. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (David Marshall) 2. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (Susan Fertig) 3. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (Debra Harris) 4. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (Susan Fertig) 5. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (James Wiegel)
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David, I took my RS-1 the first time in 1971. It was very much still available.
Susan
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Whoops, that last message about Order Kids? structures was meant for Wesson. As an OE listserv newbie, I?m still trying to navigate.
Responding to Debra?s comment, that?s one of the reasons I was compelled to write IRON BOY, to give a first-hand account from a child?s and teenager?s perspective from the beginning. Many friends, family, co-works and history buffs over multiple generations have heard about those early days in the Order, but I suspect much of it was second-, third-, or fourth-hand. It?s like playing Telephone as a kid. By the time the secret sentence whispered in each year gets to the end of the line, it?s a far cry from what the original child said.
Another motivator for me: I wondered how many folks who joined the ICA in the 1970s and later ever knew what RS-1 was or could measure its direct or indirect impact for themselves if it was not longer available. Many readers may be surprised that an RS-1 primer is embedded inside IRON BOY for that very reason, albeit from an 11-year-old?s perspective. Many EI/ICA alumni may still ask today how much of RS-1 could be understood by a child or teenager. I?ll attempt to answer that in a listserv post this coming weekend.
David, Moraga, CA
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>> wrote: ? I ordered it on Kindle and just started reading it- thank you David for your perspective and insights.
I encountered and joined the Order in 1984 when I was 26 and often wondered what is was like to grow up in the Order, especially in the earlier years.
Sincerely, Debra Harris Watson Houston
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I don't remember having an Iron Man statue in the houses I was in.. but it was a long time ago. Dick
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>> wrote: Yes David, There was an Iron Man statue in every Religious House. Congratulations on your book. I have ordered it, Mary Laura Jones
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>> wrote: Dear Former Order Colleagues & Friends,
Sunday ?House Church? Blastoff! (Father?s Day - appropriate launch day since Order fathers loom large in this book)
IRON BOY is officially for sale today on Amazon as both a paperback and e-book.
The Iron Man statue is still alive and well in Fifth City sixty years later. In 2021, I visited Chicago with my wife, daughter, son, and their partners, and we all went to visit Fifth City and the Iron Man?they for the first time. Attached are some photos, of me in front of the Iron Man with the Program Center in the background where I took part of the Academy, the still-running ?Iron Man Can? Fifth City Preschool, and my old elementary school, now renamed Leif Ericson Scholastic Academy.
Also a vintage wintertime Iron Man statue photo that I used for the front cover of IRON BOY.
And finally a little artifact from that era I just received. I visited my 93-year old dad Gene and 91-year-old step-mom Joyce in Texas recently, and they gave me this seven-inch-tall metal Iron Man statute that they had picked up along the way from the Wichita Religious House. Did all the Religious Houses have one?
When I raise up my hands like the Iron Man, I think of these words from the Order song, ?Free, free, free to decide, what this world is going to be.? We've still got a lot of work to do!
Much appreciation for putting up with my 10-week House Church countdown to IRON BOY?s debut. If you read it, or share it with others, please let me know the impact. You can obtain both the paperback and e-book now on Amazon, and through other bookstores soon.
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Grace & Peace,
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Gender neutral Iron Person is a good idea.
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On Sun Jun 22 13:22:09 EDT 2025 Paula Philbrook via OE wrote: I think when the replication projects began ‘76 ish, George Walters had the idea to make replicas for each location. George & I were assigned to 5th City at the time. I drove to someplace in Chicago and picked up the statues. They were then distributed at the next Council.
We also had lapel pens made at some point.
The iron man in Fifth City was drawn by ??? (Maybe Jean) Lewis. She & her husband were in Order Community in the west side in mid/late 60’s.
I have a statue in my living room. It is the one my Dad had & we took it to the shop for the guy make the copies.
One of my daughter’s first tattoo was the Iron Man perhaps Iron we need a gender neutral name.
Paula
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wrote: Where’s IM Waldo? These mini Iron Man statues may be artifacts. If only one was made per Religious House, then there were only 50-100 of them in circulation then, and surely fewer now. I wonder how my dad got a hold of the one from the Wichita RH. He didn’t have any connection to that house, but since we joined the Order in Evanston in 1962 from Olathe, Kansas, not far from Wichita, it seems oddly appropriate for this one to have landed with the Marshall clan. Collectors items from an OE bygone era. 😊
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Re the religious house iron men statues, I believe I have the Denver one. I never realized the RH name was on it! Now I have to see where it went (it was in my living room until recently when I was redoing a lot of things). So many things, so rich a history we share. I had RS-I in April 1971 and recruited many more in the next several years.
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wrote: I learned the key elements of RS-1 in the Leadership Options program developed by George & (Keith) Elise Packard, Jan Ames and others in the early 90's. I later became part of the LO training team, with the hope of expanding its locations, which we found difficult to do.
Later on, John Cock led an effort with others to refine and redevelop the RS-I into the Profound Journey Dialogue. I became part of that team also, but it was challenging to market it to a broader audience. I know the new format was taught many times, each in different cities. I know it was taught at least twice in MN. I would need to check on the dates.
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When was the last RS-1 taught? Did it vary depending on the area? And was it taught in Canada or any other nations?
Of course the concepts of RS-1 were embedded into ITI and HDTP, as well as the Academy. However, the Turn to the World necessitated a reformulation, to broaden language & context for a variety of cultures & faith traditions- though the fundamental concepts were universal.
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David, I took my RS-1 the first time in 1971. It was very much still available.
Susan
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Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
Whoops, that last message about Order Kids? structures was meant for Wesson. As an OE listserv newbie, I?m still trying to navigate.
Responding to Debra?s comment, that?s one of the reasons I was compelled to write IRON BOY, to give a first-hand account from a child?s and teenager?s perspective from the beginning. Many friends, family, co-works and history buffs over multiple generations have heard about those early days in the Order, but I suspect much of it was second-, third-, or fourth-hand. It?s like playing Telephone as a kid. By the time the secret sentence whispered in each year gets to the end of the line, it?s a far cry from what the original child said.
Another motivator for me: I wondered how many folks who joined the ICA in the 1970s and later ever knew what RS-1 was or could measure its direct or indirect impact for themselves if it was not longer available. Many readers may be surprised that an RS-1 primer is embedded inside IRON BOY for that very reason, albeit from an 11-year-old?s perspective. Many EI/ICA alumni may still ask today how much of RS-1 could be understood by a child or teenager. I?ll attempt to answer that in a listserv post this coming weekend.
David, Moraga, CA
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wrote: ? I ordered it on Kindle and just started reading it- thank you David for your perspective and insights.
I encountered and joined the Order in 1984 when I was 26 and often wondered what is was like to grow up in the Order, especially in the earlier years.
Sincerely, Debra Harris Watson Houston
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I don't remember having an Iron Man statue in the houses I was in.. but it was a long time ago. Dick
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wrote: Yes David, There was an Iron Man statue in every Religious House. Congratulations on your book. I have ordered it, Mary Laura Jones
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wrote: Dear Former Order Colleagues & Friends,
Sunday ?House Church? Blastoff! (Father?s Day - appropriate launch day since Order fathers loom large in this book)
IRON BOY is officially for sale today on Amazon as both a paperback and e-book.
The Iron Man statue is still alive and well in Fifth City sixty years later. In 2021, I visited Chicago with my wife, daughter, son, and their partners, and we all went to visit Fifth City and the Iron Man?they for the first time. Attached are some photos, of me in front of the Iron Man with the Program Center in the background where I took part of the Academy, the still-running ?Iron Man Can? Fifth City Preschool, and my old elementary school, now renamed Leif Ericson Scholastic Academy.
Also a vintage wintertime Iron Man statue photo that I used for the front cover of IRON BOY.
And finally a little artifact from that era I just received. I visited my 93-year old dad Gene and 91-year-old step-mom Joyce in Texas recently, and they gave me this seven-inch-tall metal Iron Man statute that they had picked up along the way from the Wichita Religious House. Did all the Religious Houses have one?
When I raise up my hands like the Iron Man, I think of these words from the Order song, ?Free, free, free to decide, what this world is going to be.? We've still got a lot of work to do!
Much appreciation for putting up with my 10-week House Church countdown to IRON BOY?s debut. If you read it, or share it with others, please let me know the impact. You can obtain both the paperback and e-book now on Amazon, and through other bookstores soon.
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One of my more "recent" fond memories was visiting 5th City (12? 15?) years ago. Ruth Carter had just retired but the PreSchool staff gave her a call and she came running over. We had a great reunion. She called her grandson to come over and meet us and he proudly showed showed us his Iron Man tatou on his fore arm. Then we walked over to the original statue and posed for pictures. I believe that the original statue was designed by Jean Loomis. Working in 5th City with the local residents -old and young- changed my life! So grateful. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Jun 23, 2025 at 12:58 PM, James Wiegel via OE<oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Yes Zoe, are you speechless over our wisdom? In the midst of a silent retreat??? Jim Wiegel “…the long work of turning their lives into a celebration is not easy. Come and let us talk“. The Sunflowers. Mary Oliver On Jun 23, 2025, at 7:26 AM, Seth Longacre via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: why is Zoe Barley replying to the digests with blank messages? Seth T. Longacre Ashland, OR Unapologetically committed to equality, diversity, compassion, love, and justice. ———-O0ooo— ———–(——)— ————)–-/—- ————(_/- —-ooo0O—- —-(——)—- —–\-–(– ——\_)- On Jun 23, 2025, at 04:55, Zoe Barley via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Sent using myEarthLink On Sun Jun 22 21:57:58 EDT 2025 Paula Philbrook via OE wrote: Thanks Ken Paula Personal Mission Statement: I nurture love, peace & harmony in every situation for my caring family, disempowered communities, and our precious planet. On Sun, Jun 22, 2025 at 6:51 PM Ken Fisher via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net
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Jean (& Terry) Loomis Sent from my iPhone On Jun 22, 2025, at 4:20 PM, Debra Harris via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net
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Gender neutral Iron Person is a good idea. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, June 22, 2025, 3:09 PM, Zoe Barley via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net
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Sent using myEarthLink On Sun Jun 22 13:22:09 EDT 2025 Paula Philbrook via OE wrote: I think when the replication projects began ‘76 ish, George Walters had the idea to make replicas for each location. George & I were assigned to 5th City at the time. I drove to someplace in Chicago and picked up the statues. They were then distributed at the next Council. We also had lapel pens made at some point. The iron man in Fifth City was drawn by ??? (Maybe Jean) Lewis. She & her husband were in Order Community in the west side in mid/late 60’s. I have a statue in my living room. It is the one my Dad had & we took it to the shop for the guy make the copies. One of my daughter’s first tattoo was the Iron Man perhaps Iron we need a gender neutral name. Paula Personal Mission Statement: I nurture love, peace & harmony in every situation for my caring family, disempowered communities, and our precious planet. On Sun, Jun 22, 2025 at 11:29 AM David Marshall via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net
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Where’s IM Waldo? These mini Iron Man statues may be artifacts. If only one was made per Religious House, then there were only 50-100 of them in circulation then, and surely fewer now. I wonder how my dad got a hold of the one from the Wichita RH. He didn’t have any connection to that house, but since we joined the Order in Evanston in 1962 from Olathe, Kansas, not far from Wichita, it seems oddly appropriate for this one to have landed with the Marshall clan. Collectors items from an OE bygone era. 😊 Sent from my iPhone David Marshall www.marshallbooks.net On Jun 22, 2025, at 9:06 AM, Sunny Walker via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net
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Re the religious house iron men statues, I believe I have the Denver one. I never realized the RH name was on it! Now I have to see where it went (it was in my living room until recently when I was redoing a lot of things). So many things, so rich a history we share. I had RS-I in April 1971 and recruited many more in the next several years. Sunny Walker She/her/hers On Arapaho, Cheyenne, Núu-agha-tʉvʉ-pʉ̱ (Ute), and Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux) tribal land Certified Facilitator (Also Certified ToP Facilitator) ToP Methods Mentor Trainer - Upcoming Courses Virtual Facilitation Collaborative Senior Facilitator sunny.sunwalker@gmail.com 303-587-3017 For diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging inquiries: sunny@diversityinnovators.com www.diversityinnovators.com For virtual facilitation inquiries: sunny@virtualfacilitationcollaborative.com www.virtualfacilitationcollaborative.com On Sat, Jun 21, 2025 at 9:10 AM Cheryl via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net
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I learned the key elements of RS-1 in the Leadership Options program developed by George & (Keith) Elise Packard, Jan Ames and others in the early 90's. I later became part of the LO training team, with the hope of expanding its locations, which we found difficult to do. Later on, John Cock led an effort with others to refine and redevelop the RS-I into the Profound Journey Dialogue. I became part of that team also, but it was challenging to market it to a broader audience. I know the new format was taught many times, each in different cities. I know it was taught at least twice in MN. I would need to check on the dates. All Good Wishes, Cheryl Kartes, Mpls, MN From: OE < oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net
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Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today When was the last RS-1 taught? Did it vary depending on the area? And was it taught in Canada or any other nations? Of course the concepts of RS-1 were embedded into ITI and HDTP, as well as the Academy. However, the Turn to the World necessitated a reformulation, to broaden language & context for a variety of cultures & faith traditions- though the fundamental concepts were universal. Debra Harris-Watson Houston On Friday, June 20, 2025 at 08:30:14 PM CDT, < oe-request@lists.wedgeblade.net
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" David, I took my RS-1 the first time in 1971. It was very much still available. Susan Susan Fertig-Dykes And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought . Isaiah 58:11 From: OE < oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net
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Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today Whoops, that last message about Order Kids? structures was meant for Wesson. As an OE listserv newbie, I?m still trying to navigate. Responding to Debra?s comment, that?s one of the reasons I was compelled to write IRON BOY, to give a first-hand account from a child?s and teenager?s perspective from the beginning. Many friends, family, co-works and history buffs over multiple generations have heard about those early days in the Order, but I suspect much of it was second-, third-, or fourth-hand. It?s like playing Telephone as a kid. By the time the secret sentence whispered in each year gets to the end of the line, it?s a far cry from what the original child said. Another motivator for me: I wondered how many folks who joined the ICA in the 1970s and later ever knew what RS-1 was or could measure its direct or indirect impact for themselves if it was not longer available. Many readers may be surprised that an RS-1 primer is embedded inside IRON BOY for that very reason, albeit from an 11-year-old?s perspective. Many EI/ICA alumni may still ask today how much of RS-1 could be understood by a child or teenager. I?ll attempt to answer that in a listserv post this coming weekend. David, Moraga, CA Sent from my iPad David Marshall www.marshallbooks.net < http://www.marshallbooks.net
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I encountered and joined the Order in 1984 when I was 26 and often wondered what is was like to grow up in the Order, especially in the earlier years. Sincerely, Debra Harris Watson Houston Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone< https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_&af_ios_store_cpp=9d3a686e-218d-4849-8298-b480188dc8ac&af_android_url=https%3A%2F%2Fplay.google.com%2Fstore%2Fapps%2Fdetails%3Fid%3Dcom.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail%26listing%3Demail_signature
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On Thursday, June 19, 2025 at 12:32:46 PM MST, Richard Alton via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto: oe@lists.wedgeblade.net
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I don't remember having an Iron Man statue in the houses I was in.. but it was a long time ago. Dick On Thu, Jun 19, 2025 at 2:29?PM ML Jones via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto: oe@lists.wedgeblade.net
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On Sun, Jun 15, 2025 at 4:01?AM David Marshall via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto: oe@lists.wedgeblade.net
wrote: Dear Former Order Colleagues & Friends,
Sunday ?House Church? Blastoff! (Father?s Day - appropriate launch day since Order fathers loom large in this book) IRON BOY is officially for sale today on Amazon as both a paperback and e-book. The Iron Man statue is still alive and well in Fifth City sixty years later. In 2021, I visited Chicago with my wife, daughter, son, and their partners, and we all went to visit Fifth City and the Iron Man?they for the first time. Attached are some photos, of me in front of the Iron Man with the Program Center in the background where I took part of the Academy, the still-running ?Iron Man Can? Fifth City Preschool, and my old elementary school, now renamed Leif Ericson Scholastic Academy. Also a vintage wintertime Iron Man statue photo that I used for the front cover of IRON BOY. And finally a little artifact from that era I just received. I visited my 93-year old dad Gene and 91-year-old step-mom Joyce in Texas recently, and they gave me this seven-inch-tall metal Iron Man statute that they had picked up along the way from the Wichita Religious House. Did all the Religious Houses have one? When I raise up my hands like the Iron Man, I think of these words from the Order song, ?Free, free, free to decide, what this world is going to be.? We've still got a lot of work to do! Much appreciation for putting up with my 10-week House Church countdown to IRON BOY?s debut. If you read it, or share it with others, please let me know the impact. You can obtain both the paperback and e-book now on Amazon, and through other bookstores soon. https://www.amazon.com/IRON-BOY-Searching-Freedom-Religious/dp/B0FCMMVHDC Grace & Peace, David Marshall, www.marshallbooks.net < http://www.marshallbooks.net
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That is my recollection as well. Paula Personal Mission Statement: *I nurture love, peace & harmony in every situation for my caring family, disempowered communities, and our precious planet.* On Mon, Jun 23, 2025 at 10:52 PM James Wiegel via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Was Jean from New Zealand?
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One of my more "recent" fond memories was visiting 5th City (12? 15?) years ago. Ruth Carter had just retired but the PreSchool staff gave her a call and she came running over. We had a great reunion. She called her grandson to come over and meet us and he proudly showed showed us his Iron Man tatou on his fore arm. Then we walked over to the original statue and posed for pictures. I believe that the original statue was designed by Jean Loomis. Working in 5th City with the local residents -old and young- changed my life! So grateful.
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Gender neutral Iron Person is a good idea.
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On Sun Jun 22 13:22:09 EDT 2025 Paula Philbrook via OE wrote: I think when the replication projects began ‘76 ish, George Walters had the idea to make replicas for each location. George & I were assigned to 5th City at the time. I drove to someplace in Chicago and picked up the statues. They were then distributed at the next Council.
We also had lapel pens made at some point.
The iron man in Fifth City was drawn by ??? (Maybe Jean) Lewis. She & her husband were in Order Community in the west side in mid/late 60’s.
I have a statue in my living room. It is the one my Dad had & we took it to the shop for the guy make the copies.
One of my daughter’s first tattoo was the Iron Man perhaps Iron we need a gender neutral name.
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Where’s IM Waldo? These mini Iron Man statues may be artifacts. If only one was made per Religious House, then there were only 50-100 of them in circulation then, and surely fewer now. I wonder how my dad got a hold of the one from the Wichita RH. He didn’t have any connection to that house, but since we joined the Order in Evanston in 1962 from Olathe, Kansas, not far from Wichita, it seems oddly appropriate for this one to have landed with the Marshall clan. Collectors items from an OE bygone era. 😊
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Re the religious house iron men statues, I believe I have the Denver one. I never realized the RH name was on it! Now I have to see where it went (it was in my living room until recently when I was redoing a lot of things). So many things, so rich a history we share. I had RS-I in April 1971 and recruited many more in the next several years.
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I learned the key elements of RS-1 in the Leadership Options program developed by George & (Keith) Elise Packard, Jan Ames and others in the early 90's. I later became part of the LO training team, with the hope of expanding its locations, which we found difficult to do.
Later on, John Cock led an effort with others to refine and redevelop the RS-I into the Profound Journey Dialogue. I became part of that team also, but it was challenging to market it to a broader audience. I know the new format was taught many times, each in different cities. I know it was taught at least twice in MN. I would need to check on the dates.
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When was the last RS-1 taught? Did it vary depending on the area? And was it taught in Canada or any other nations?
Of course the concepts of RS-1 were embedded into ITI and HDTP, as well as the Academy. However, the Turn to the World necessitated a reformulation, to broaden language & context for a variety of cultures & faith traditions- though the fundamental concepts were universal.
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David, I took my RS-1 the first time in 1971. It was very much still available.
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Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
Whoops, that last message about Order Kids? structures was meant for Wesson. As an OE listserv newbie, I?m still trying to navigate.
Responding to Debra?s comment, that?s one of the reasons I was compelled to write IRON BOY, to give a first-hand account from a child?s and teenager?s perspective from the beginning. Many friends, family, co-works and history buffs over multiple generations have heard about those early days in the Order, but I suspect much of it was second-, third-, or fourth-hand. It?s like playing Telephone as a kid. By the time the secret sentence whispered in each year gets to the end of the line, it?s a far cry from what the original child said.
Another motivator for me: I wondered how many folks who joined the ICA in the 1970s and later ever knew what RS-1 was or could measure its direct or indirect impact for themselves if it was not longer available. Many readers may be surprised that an RS-1 primer is embedded inside IRON BOY for that very reason, albeit from an 11-year-old?s perspective. Many EI/ICA alumni may still ask today how much of RS-1 could be understood by a child or teenager. I?ll attempt to answer that in a listserv post this coming weekend.
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wrote: ? I ordered it on Kindle and just started reading it- thank you David for your perspective and insights.
I encountered and joined the Order in 1984 when I was 26 and often wondered what is was like to grow up in the Order, especially in the earlier years.
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Just Jean not Terry. Paula Personal Mission Statement: *I nurture love, peace & harmony in every situation for my caring family, disempowered communities, and our precious planet.* On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 6:05 AM Ken Fisher via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Yes. Jean & Terry were from NZ.
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Yes. Jean & Terry were from NZ.
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Here is Jean Loomis telling her story about creating the Iron Man statue: https://wedgeblade.net/files/archives_assets/21019.pdf. It is found in the ICA Global Archives Community Development Collection on the 5th City Pilot: https://icaglobalarchives.org/collections/human-development/human-developmen.... Peace and love, Karen
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Jean was from New Zealand but I think Terry was from MN
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Yes. Jean & Terry were from NZ.
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How beautiful! Thank-you, Karen. I still have the Ottawa House Iron Man. I also recall Jean’s giant frames for the gym, including a Black Augustine. The others were ….. Teresa of Avila and ….????? Ken
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Here is Jean Loomis telling her story about creating the Iron Man statue: https://wedgeblade.net/files/archives_assets/21019.pdf. It is found in the ICA Global Archives Community Development Collection on the 5th City Pilot: https://icaglobalarchives.org/collections/human-development/human-developmen....
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Jean was from New Zealand but I think Terry was from MN
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Yes. Jean & Terry were from NZ.
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Here is Jean Loomis telling her story about creating the Iron Man statue: https://wedgeblade.net/files/archives_assets/21019.pdf. It is found in the ICA Global Archives Community Development Collection on the 5th City Pilot: https://icaglobalarchives.org/collections/human-development/human-developmen.... Peace and love, Karen
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One of my more "recent" fond memories was visiting 5th City (12? 15?) years ago. Ruth Carter had just retired but the PreSchool staff gave her a call and she came running over. We had a great reunion. She called her grandson to come over and meet us and he proudly showed showed us his Iron Man tatou on his fore arm. Then we walked over to the original statue and posed for pictures. I believe that the original statue was designed by Jean Loomis. Working in 5th City with the local residents -old and young- changed my life! So grateful.
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why is Zoe Barley replying to the digests with blank messages?
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wrote: Jean (& Terry) Loomis Sent from my iPhone
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wrote:
Gender neutral Iron Person is a good idea.
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On Sun Jun 22 13:22:09 EDT 2025 Paula Philbrook via OE wrote: I think when the replication projects began ‘76 ish, George Walters had the idea to make replicas for each location. George & I were assigned to 5th City at the time. I drove to someplace in Chicago and picked up the statues. They were then distributed at the next Council.
We also had lapel pens made at some point.
The iron man in Fifth City was drawn by ??? (Maybe Jean) Lewis. She & her husband were in Order Community in the west side in mid/late 60’s.
I have a statue in my living room. It is the one my Dad had & we took it to the shop for the guy make the copies.
One of my daughter’s first tattoo was the Iron Man perhaps Iron we need a gender neutral name.
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wrote: Where’s IM Waldo? These mini Iron Man statues may be artifacts. If only one was made per Religious House, then there were only 50-100 of them in circulation then, and surely fewer now. I wonder how my dad got a hold of the one from the Wichita RH. He didn’t have any connection to that house, but since we joined the Order in Evanston in 1962 from Olathe, Kansas, not far from Wichita, it seems oddly appropriate for this one to have landed with the Marshall clan. Collectors items from an OE bygone era. 😊
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Re the religious house iron men statues, I believe I have the Denver one. I never realized the RH name was on it! Now I have to see where it went (it was in my living room until recently when I was redoing a lot of things). So many things, so rich a history we share. I had RS-I in April 1971 and recruited many more in the next several years.
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wrote: I learned the key elements of RS-1 in the Leadership Options program developed by George & (Keith) Elise Packard, Jan Ames and others in the early 90's. I later became part of the LO training team, with the hope of expanding its locations, which we found difficult to do.
Later on, John Cock led an effort with others to refine and redevelop the RS-I into the Profound Journey Dialogue. I became part of that team also, but it was challenging to market it to a broader audience. I know the new format was taught many times, each in different cities. I know it was taught at least twice in MN. I would need to check on the dates.
All Good Wishes, Cheryl Kartes, Mpls, MN
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Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
When was the last RS-1 taught? Did it vary depending on the area? And was it taught in Canada or any other nations?
Of course the concepts of RS-1 were embedded into ITI and HDTP, as well as the Academy. However, the Turn to the World necessitated a reformulation, to broaden language & context for a variety of cultures & faith traditions- though the fundamental concepts were universal.
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David, I took my RS-1 the first time in 1971. It was very much still available.
Susan
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And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought . Isaiah 58:11
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Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
Whoops, that last message about Order Kids? structures was meant for Wesson. As an OE listserv newbie, I?m still trying to navigate.
Responding to Debra?s comment, that?s one of the reasons I was compelled to write IRON BOY, to give a first-hand account from a child?s and teenager?s perspective from the beginning. Many friends, family, co-works and history buffs over multiple generations have heard about those early days in the Order, but I suspect much of it was second-, third-, or fourth-hand. It?s like playing Telephone as a kid. By the time the secret sentence whispered in each year gets to the end of the line, it?s a far cry from what the original child said.
Another motivator for me: I wondered how many folks who joined the ICA in the 1970s and later ever knew what RS-1 was or could measure its direct or indirect impact for themselves if it was not longer available. Many readers may be surprised that an RS-1 primer is embedded inside IRON BOY for that very reason, albeit from an 11-year-old?s perspective. Many EI/ICA alumni may still ask today how much of RS-1 could be understood by a child or teenager. I?ll attempt to answer that in a listserv post this coming weekend.
David, Moraga, CA
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> wrote: ? I ordered it on Kindle and just started reading it- thank you David for your perspective and insights.
I encountered and joined the Order in 1984 when I was 26 and often wondered what is was like to grow up in the Order, especially in the earlier years.
Sincerely, Debra Harris Watson Houston
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I don't remember having an Iron Man statue in the houses I was in.. but it was a long time ago. Dick
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> wrote: Dear Former Order Colleagues & Friends,
Sunday ?House Church? Blastoff! (Father?s Day - appropriate launch day since Order fathers loom large in this book)
IRON BOY is officially for sale today on Amazon as both a paperback and e-book.
The Iron Man statue is still alive and well in Fifth City sixty years later. In 2021, I visited Chicago with my wife, daughter, son, and their partners, and we all went to visit Fifth City and the Iron Man?they for the first time. Attached are some photos, of me in front of the Iron Man with the Program Center in the background where I took part of the Academy, the still-running ?Iron Man Can? Fifth City Preschool, and my old elementary school, now renamed Leif Ericson Scholastic Academy.
Also a vintage wintertime Iron Man statue photo that I used for the front cover of IRON BOY.
And finally a little artifact from that era I just received. I visited my 93-year old dad Gene and 91-year-old step-mom Joyce in Texas recently, and they gave me this seven-inch-tall metal Iron Man statute that they had picked up along the way from the Wichita Religious House. Did all the Religious Houses have one?
When I raise up my hands like the Iron Man, I think of these words from the Order song, ?Free, free, free to decide, what this world is going to be.? We've still got a lot of work to do!
Much appreciation for putting up with my 10-week House Church countdown to IRON BOY?s debut. If you read it, or share it with others, please let me know the impact. You can obtain both the paperback and e-book now on Amazon, and through other bookstores soon.
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Hi Karen,Thanks for sending the links to Jean's background of the Iron Man symbol and to the Fifth City Film--which is excellent and still inspiring. Fifth City, HDPs, Town Meetings/Community Forums, Lens, Training Inc., ToPS, etc. are demonstrations of what Noam Chomsky is talking about--worth taking the 20+ minutes to listen to this. Noam Chomsky || How Much Time Is Left Until the End of Trump ( Must Watch ) - YouTube Ellie Stockelliestock@aol.com On Tuesday, June 24, 2025 at 08:38:44 AM EDT, Karen Snyder via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Here is Jean Loomis telling her story about creating the Iron Man statue: https://wedgeblade.net/files/archives_assets/21019.pdf. It is found in the ICA Global Archives Community Development Collection on the 5th City Pilot: https://icaglobalarchives.org/collections/human-development/human-developmen.... Peace and love, Karen
Ellie, Thanks for sending this video. Although it is long, it creates many points for conversation and action. Have you been able to use it with any groups for conversations? What engagement are you and Carlton up to now that you have moved? Karen
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Hi Karen, Thanks for sending the links to Jean's background of the Iron Man symbol and to the Fifth City Film--which is excellent and still inspiring. Fifth City, HDPs, Town Meetings/Community Forums, Lens, Training Inc., ToPS, etc. are demonstrations of what Noam Chomsky is talking about--worth taking the 20+ minutes to listen to this.
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Here is Jean Loomis telling her story about creating the Iron Man statue: https://wedgeblade.net/files/archives_assets/21019.pdf. It is found in the ICA Global Archives Community Development Collection on the 5th City Pilot: https://icaglobalarchives.org/collections/human-development/human-developmen....
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What a gift to read this, Karen. It resonates with the times now. Thank you--Diann McCabe, San Marcos, TX On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 7:38 AM Karen Snyder via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Here is Jean Loomis telling her story about creating the Iron Man statue: https://wedgeblade.net/files/archives_assets/21019.pdf. It is found in the ICA Global Archives Community Development Collection on the 5th City Pilot: https://icaglobalarchives.org/collections/human-development/human-developmen... .
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One of my more "recent" fond memories was visiting 5th City (12? 15?) years ago. Ruth Carter had just retired but the PreSchool staff gave her a call and she came running over. We had a great reunion. She called her grandson to come over and meet us and he proudly showed showed us his Iron Man tatou on his fore arm. Then we walked over to the original statue and posed for pictures. I believe that the original statue was designed by Jean Loomis. Working in 5th City with the local residents -old and young- changed my life! So grateful.
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Gender neutral Iron Person is a good idea.
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On Sun Jun 22 13:22:09 EDT 2025 Paula Philbrook via OE wrote: I think when the replication projects began ‘76 ish, George Walters had the idea to make replicas for each location. George & I were assigned to 5th City at the time. I drove to someplace in Chicago and picked up the statues. They were then distributed at the next Council.
We also had lapel pens made at some point.
The iron man in Fifth City was drawn by ??? (Maybe Jean) Lewis. She & her husband were in Order Community in the west side in mid/late 60’s.
I have a statue in my living room. It is the one my Dad had & we took it to the shop for the guy make the copies.
One of my daughter’s first tattoo was the Iron Man perhaps Iron we need a gender neutral name.
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Where’s IM Waldo? These mini Iron Man statues may be artifacts. If only one was made per Religious House, then there were only 50-100 of them in circulation then, and surely fewer now. I wonder how my dad got a hold of the one from the Wichita RH. He didn’t have any connection to that house, but since we joined the Order in Evanston in 1962 from Olathe, Kansas, not far from Wichita, it seems oddly appropriate for this one to have landed with the Marshall clan. Collectors items from an OE bygone era. 😊
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Re the religious house iron men statues, I believe I have the Denver one. I never realized the RH name was on it! Now I have to see where it went (it was in my living room until recently when I was redoing a lot of things). So many things, so rich a history we share. I had RS-I in April 1971 and recruited many more in the next several years.
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I learned the key elements of RS-1 in the Leadership Options program developed by George & (Keith) Elise Packard, Jan Ames and others in the early 90's. I later became part of the LO training team, with the hope of expanding its locations, which we found difficult to do.
Later on, John Cock led an effort with others to refine and redevelop the RS-I into the Profound Journey Dialogue. I became part of that team also, but it was challenging to market it to a broader audience. I know the new format was taught many times, each in different cities. I know it was taught at least twice in MN. I would need to check on the dates.
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Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
When was the last RS-1 taught? Did it vary depending on the area? And was it taught in Canada or any other nations?
Of course the concepts of RS-1 were embedded into ITI and HDTP, as well as the Academy. However, the Turn to the World necessitated a reformulation, to broaden language & context for a variety of cultures & faith traditions- though the fundamental concepts were universal.
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David, I took my RS-1 the first time in 1971. It was very much still available.
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Whoops, that last message about Order Kids? structures was meant for Wesson. As an OE listserv newbie, I?m still trying to navigate.
Responding to Debra?s comment, that?s one of the reasons I was compelled to write IRON BOY, to give a first-hand account from a child?s and teenager?s perspective from the beginning. Many friends, family, co-works and history buffs over multiple generations have heard about those early days in the Order, but I suspect much of it was second-, third-, or fourth-hand. It?s like playing Telephone as a kid. By the time the secret sentence whispered in each year gets to the end of the line, it?s a far cry from what the original child said.
Another motivator for me: I wondered how many folks who joined the ICA in the 1970s and later ever knew what RS-1 was or could measure its direct or indirect impact for themselves if it was not longer available. Many readers may be surprised that an RS-1 primer is embedded inside IRON BOY for that very reason, albeit from an 11-year-old?s perspective. Many EI/ICA alumni may still ask today how much of RS-1 could be understood by a child or teenager. I?ll attempt to answer that in a listserv post this coming weekend.
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wrote: ? I ordered it on Kindle and just started reading it- thank you David for your perspective and insights.
I encountered and joined the Order in 1984 when I was 26 and often wondered what is was like to grow up in the Order, especially in the earlier years.
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I don't remember having an Iron Man statue in the houses I was in.. but it was a long time ago. Dick
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wrote: Yes David, There was an Iron Man statue in every Religious House. Congratulations on your book. I have ordered it, Mary Laura Jones
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wrote: Dear Former Order Colleagues & Friends,
Sunday ?House Church? Blastoff! (Father?s Day - appropriate launch day since Order fathers loom large in this book)
IRON BOY is officially for sale today on Amazon as both a paperback and e-book.
The Iron Man statue is still alive and well in Fifth City sixty years later. In 2021, I visited Chicago with my wife, daughter, son, and their partners, and we all went to visit Fifth City and the Iron Man?they for the first time. Attached are some photos, of me in front of the Iron Man with the Program Center in the background where I took part of the Academy, the still-running ?Iron Man Can? Fifth City Preschool, and my old elementary school, now renamed Leif Ericson Scholastic Academy.
Also a vintage wintertime Iron Man statue photo that I used for the front cover of IRON BOY.
And finally a little artifact from that era I just received. I visited my 93-year old dad Gene and 91-year-old step-mom Joyce in Texas recently, and they gave me this seven-inch-tall metal Iron Man statute that they had picked up along the way from the Wichita Religious House. Did all the Religious Houses have one?
When I raise up my hands like the Iron Man, I think of these words from the Order song, ?Free, free, free to decide, what this world is going to be.? We've still got a lot of work to do!
Much appreciation for putting up with my 10-week House Church countdown to IRON BOY?s debut. If you read it, or share it with others, please let me know the impact. You can obtain both the paperback and e-book now on Amazon, and through other bookstores soon.
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