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Re: [Oe List ...] FW: Celebration of life for John Weir Singleton, 1931-2020
by zbarley＠earthlink.net 05 Nov '24

05 Nov '24

The email with memorial information is dated in 2020. Sent using myEarthLink On Tue Nov 05 05:46:25 MST 2024 RICHARD HOWIE via OE wrote: When I click on the link I get an advertisement. Could anyone help me to sign up? Thanks, Ellen Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 11, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Lynda C via OE < > > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > wrote: > > > > From: > > > Rob Singleton < > > > rob.singleton(a)hsc.utah.edu (mailto:rob.singleton@hsc.utah.edu) > > > > Date: Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 3:51 PM > To: > > Rob Singleton < > > > rob.singleton(a)hsc.utah.edu (mailto:rob.singleton@hsc.utah.edu) > > > > Subject: Celebration of life for John Weir Singleton, 1931-2020 > > > > > > This email is sent on behalf of Louise Singleton- > > > > > Dear Family and Friends, > > > > > > We plan a virtual Gathering of Gratitude to celebrate the life of John Singleton on August 8 at 11:00 a.m. MDT. The celebration will consist of a service and, after a five minute break, a virtual reception. Details of the service and instructions for how you can participate are contained in the attached Word document. Please register to join the celebration at: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://bit.ly/johnweirsingleton > > > > > > which also contains additional information. > > > > > > With love and appreciation to all of you who made John's life abundant. > > > > > > Louise > > > > > > Rob, Martha, David, and Will > > > > > > > > > > > > Louise Singleton > > > > 3101 Old Pecos Trail, Unit 509 > > > > Santa Fe, NM, 87505 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lrsingleton85(a)gmail.com (mailto:lrsingleton85@gmail.com) > > > > J. Robinson Singleton, MD > > > > Professor and Vice Chairman for VA Programs, Department of Neurology, University of Utah > > > > Chief of Service, Neurology, Salt Lake City Veterans Medical Center > > > > > > > > > > > Office > > > 801-581-6770 (tel:8015816770) > > > > > > > Cell- > > > 801-201-4525 (tel:8012014525) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > > > > > OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > >

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FW: Celebration of life for John Weir Singleton, 1931-2020
by Lynda C 05 Nov '24

05 Nov '24

From: Rob Singleton <rob.singleton(a)hsc.utah.edu> Date: Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 3:51 PM To: Rob Singleton <rob.singleton(a)hsc.utah.edu> Subject: Celebration of life for John Weir Singleton, 1931-2020 This email is sent on behalf of Louise Singleton- Dear Family and Friends, We plan a virtual Gathering of Gratitude to celebrate the life of John Singleton on August 8 at 11:00 a.m. MDT. The celebration will consist of a service and, after a five minute break, a virtual reception. Details of the service and instructions for how you can participate are contained in the attached Word document. Please register to join the celebration at: http://bit.ly/johnweirsingleton which also contains additional information. With love and appreciation to all of you who made John's life abundant. Louise Rob, Martha, David, and Will Louise Singleton 3101 Old Pecos Trail, Unit 509 Santa Fe, NM, 87505 lrsingleton85(a)gmail.com<mailto:lrsingleton85@gmail.com> J. Robinson Singleton, MD Professor and Vice Chairman for VA Programs, Department of Neurology, University of Utah Chief of Service, Neurology, Salt Lake City Veterans Medical Center Office 801-581-6770 Cell- 801-201-4525

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a bumpy election
by W. J. 01 Nov '24

01 Nov '24

Fasten your seatbelts, folks, this is already a bumpy election!Unbelievably, Donald Trump got ready for Halloween yesterday by donning an orange garbage man's vest and stumbling toward the Oval Office as he opened the door of a shiny new garbage truck bearing a Trump logo and climbed into the cab.The symbolism is now a garbage truck instead of a cattle car, but you get the meme. The people he considers inferior, 'illegals', Haitians, Puerto Ricans (who are US citizens), subhuman criminal psychotics, and "the enemy within" (labeled Democrats, socialists, Marxists, and/or fascists) will be swept up and housed in FEMA pens before being subjected to mass deportation.We've tried mass deportations before to relocate unwanted, 'inferior' human beings. It is called the Trail of Tears.You can't make up the bit about his garbage man costume. But if this were not so serious a threat, we'd have to laugh! Meanwhile, Susan Fertig goes on to post on Facebook garbage like this: Despite the fact that this a FAKE Marx quote that's used to scare voters by labeling Kamala a "Marxist", given that her father is a noted economist and an academic scholar of Marx who can confirm that Marx never wrote that, Susan doesn't care about the truth. She's just out to trash Kamala. And to sow the seeds of distrust, fear, and hatred. As well as being the unintentional messenger of bad news. (As in "Don't shoot the messenger!") Which, given Susan's history in the Order:Ecumenical, raises the question of WHY she's going to this extreme. Instead of trashing Susan's biased POV, I'm using her posts as a helpful example of what some of your intelligent and even somewhat 'progressive' relatives may have been led to believe and why. And mine as well! My best answer for you to comment on is this: Susan has drunk the Kool-Aid of bitterness and disappointment in the fake promises of Trumpology. For example, after 15 years of railing against Obamacare, and multiple promises to unveil a "far better and cheaper" alternative "in the next few weeks", the Repugnant Party now has, at best, "'concepts' of a plan" to replace it. In other words, to eliminate it along with any insurance for people with "pre-existing conditions." Bottom line is: "We're not going back!" I'm doing my best to empathize with the dilemma of millions of conservative white middle-class suburban female voters who are now caught between a rock and a very hard choice. They voted for Trump to get rid of Roe v. Wade (after Trump's right-wing appointees to the rogue majority in the Supreme Court vowed that it was "settled law"). Not fully realizing that they have pushed the snowball of proto-fascism down the hill that leads to female disempowerment and the replacement of the empowered female by specter of the Fake Female. No wonder 'the Susans' of the electorate are now so bitter that, by their allegiance to a fraudulent vision that they can "make America great again" by deporting "the scum", they have been forced to trash Kamala, who's embodying the empowered female! So. here's my list of the Top Ten Fake Females on the Trump Train. It's not just about their expensive hairdos, makeup, designer clothes, and cosmetic surgery. It's about their embrace of a fake image of who they really are as female human beings! 1. Melania Trump. Just look at her grifting! Her "Einstein" Visa! Her book! Her plagiarized speeches! Her fake $500 gold foil bills! Her fake marriage! Do I have to go on? She doesn't even want to resume her former role of First Lady! 2. Ivanka Trump. After Jared conned the Saudi government out of a cool two Billion bucks, Ivanka doesn't need to worry about selling her designer shoes (at 90% off!) or exploiting her 41 Chinese trademarks. She's retired to her little $41 million dollar mansion on the exclusive fortified Indian Creek Island for billionaires in Miami Bay. 3. Lara Trump. Married to Eric Trump and formerly with Fox News, she's now running the Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee, such as it is, while using the big bucks from billionaires to pay Donald's legal expenses, etc. 4. Kimberly Guilfoyle. This amazing example of duplicity jumped the shark when she leapt from Gavin Newsom's marital bed to Donald Trump Jr.'s loveseat, by way of modeling for Victoria's Secret and lying for Fox News. She was also a Kamala rival in the San Francisco D.A.'s office. Back in the day. 5. Alina Habba. Never won a case for Trump. But that doesn't matter as long as she can stand to stand by her Donald and spew her legal garbage for big bucks. She's put the Bed in Bedminster, so to speak. To latch on to Donald Trump. Otherwise, she a parking garage kind of lawyer whose second husband owns a parking garage. And she's the daughter of Iraqi immigrants. You know, the good kind. 6. Kristi Noem. Current South Dakota Repugnant governor who infamously executed her dog Cricket as well as a goat in a gravel pit. Plus three horses. Hopefully she didn't eat them. 7. Jenna Ellis. Her Colorado law license was suspended after she was indicted for racketeering and participating in a criminal enterprise furthering Donald Trump's attempts to overturn the 2020 election as a member of Trump's "elite strike force team" after she agreed to cooperate with Arizona prosecutors. Another Fake Female attorney with no professional integrity who's been Trumped and dumped. 8. Nikki Haley. She should be ashamed that she doesn't have the guts to endorse Kamala outright. Because she's protecting her options as a post-Trump Repugnant politician. 9. Tulsi Gabbard. A former Democratic congresswoman and vice chair of the DNC. She endorsed Bernie in 2016. What more can I say? Jumped the shark? 10. Stormy Daniels. I've got nothing against Stormy, 'cause she's using her physical assets as well as her brain to bring in some bucks. Out of necessity to support her family. So she couldn't say No to Donald Trump, even though she may now regret that move. But Trump made her bigly famous, so now she's on his list of Fake Females. Not exactly an exemplar of profound humanness. But at least she's honest about what she's puts out for pay. Stay tuned for the Grand Finale next Tuesday. Or for as long as it takes to sort out whatever the results turn out to be! And don't forget to vote if you are eligible to do so. Marshall Jones

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On the responses to Jim' request
by Judi White 01 Nov '24

01 Nov '24

Robert Reich on ewhy people support Trump. https://youtu.be/UQp8Lj7jPvQ?si=luFZ4Uxmbc7f6iYp

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Fwd: Please post
by Elizabeth Caperton 01 Nov '24

01 Nov '24

The Morrill family asked me to share. Dear friends, A memorial service for Justin Morrill will be held on Friday, November 8 at 1:00 pm at Mason United Methodist Church located at 2710 N Madison St, Tacoma, WA 98407 Donations in lieu of flowers may be made to Northwest Sinfonietta (https://nwsinfonietta.org/support-nws ) or to Community Health Care (https://www.commhealth.org/donate/) Questions - please text or call Eileen Howard 614-214-4030 or email eileenmhoward(a)icloud.com

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help?
by Ruth Gilbert 01 Nov '24

01 Nov '24

I’ve lost the information for contacting Eileen Howard. Can some one help? We just moved to Washington State and have heard of Justin’s death. It is possible we could attend the memorial. Would like to be in touch. Ruth Gilbert

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Mark Dove Obituary - Worthington, OH
by Lynda C 31 Oct '24

31 Oct '24

https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/worthington-oh/mark-dove-12003339 Today I received word from Janelle Dove that our colleague Mark Dove has passed on to the next phase of his journey. With grateful hearts we remember his work with the Local Church Experiment, and our friendship which was renewed when one of their grandsons was in music school in Greensboro, NC. We enjoyed Mark and Janelle’s visits through Greensboro and getting to attend with them several wonderful concerts of their Jazz Musician grandson Rob Dove, as well as to meet Mark and Janelle’s son Tim and wife Lisa. The trips to their summer home in Hilton Head, SC, were frequently scheduled around Rob’s concerts. In return, they graciously hosted us in Hilton Head during our NC winter months several times, and Mark and John enjoyed playing golf together. Mark introduced us to a minister friend who was looking for an RS-I kind of event for his congregation, and we led an RS-I retreat on a beautiful little beach town where John Wesley had preached, which led to further experimentation on the power of RS-I in various forms. Another special memory of Mark came from a time when we lived in Galax, VA. Ruth and Ken Gilbert had taken a “traveling doc” assignment to Galax during that time. When we learned that a youth RS-I was being planned in Chicago, we loaded a van full of family teens, plus Jono and friend, and headed north, stopping at the Lindblad’s gracious Wayside Inn on the way. Mark Dove, Lynn Edwards, and Priscilla Woods were the pedagogues for the course. What a delightful team to educate our younger generation. We send our love and care to Janelle and family. Memorial details are in the link above. Grace and peace, and celebration of a life fully lived in service, Lynda and John Cock

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Justin Morrill
by Elizabeth Caperton 30 Oct '24

30 Oct '24

The Morrill family has asked me to share the following about Justin’s death. "Justin Irving Morrill died yesterday, October 26, at the age of 92. What a grand human he was! Pianist, husband, pastor, father, world changer and traveler, idealist, spiritual seeker, handyman, gardener, chef, fund raiser of many millions for education and Community Health Care, supporter of the arts, grandfather and great grandfather and, most of all, a wise counselor. He was all that and more. We are celebrating a life well lived. We have not yet set plans for a memorial but will communicate them when we do. Del’s address is 7290 Rosemount Circle, Apt 112 Tacoma 98465 She also can communicate pretty well via text and phone, less on email. (253) 365-1321 Thanks for your thoughts and prayers, The Morrill Family"

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Re: [Oe List ...] bizarre
by zbarley＠earthlink.net 30 Oct '24

30 Oct '24

Sent using myEarthLink On Tue Oct 29 09:43:31 MDT 2024 Holcombe Wanda via OE wrote: I believe we are in a global cultural malaise and Believe it is in someway as Marilyn shared: a cultural backlash against global change that is perceived as both virtually inevitable and threatening to the survival of their traditional female gender identity roles. I also since it is also an emerging identity crisis for the male globally also. I don’t remember the figure but it was shared yesterday that 40,000 men committed suicide this year for various reasons. Whoever wins this election….I perceive it will be up to both the female and male globally to create the new human being and global society. I hope to they have to be 100 to be a part of that and see what the new human looks like an act like the new GLOBAL CITIZEN…. Wanda 💫✨🌟 Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 29, 2024, at 9:43 AM, James Wiegel via OE < > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> wrote: > > > > Thanks > Jim Wiegel > > “…the long work > of turning their lives > into a celebration > is not easy. Come and let us talk“. > > > The Sunflowers. Mary Oliver > > > > > > > > On Oct 29, 2024, at 3:42 AM, > > > > > > (mailto:w.schlesinger@pvida.net)> > w.schlesinger(a)pvida.net (mailto:w.schlesinger@pvida.net) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It’s hard to respond point by point to demonstrably false statements and charges. COVID was so much more destructive than it needed to have been – largely due to Trump’s refusal to deal with the science and politicizing responses. The resistance to immunizations, use of masking (common in other parts of the world) – well, you get the point. Illusory claims of ‘greatness’ are just that. > > > > > > > > > > > > We may see a Trump victory. And we need to be prepared to stay at the center, to understand that the order of things in the systems will continue to be a process of persons seeking to create a ‘visionary dream’ – to quote Bonhoeffer – and persons seeking to do what it caring and responsible. And this is true whether or not we see a Trump victory. We’ll have to work in that world as we do now, with an understanding that we will not conquer by destroying an enemy but by being who we are called to be. > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, we’ve contributed, voted, and spoken as clearly as we can in the networks and relationships we have. But our ‘heroes’ aren’t the ones who overthrew a tyranny. Our ‘heroes’ are those who cared and sustained even while marginalized and attacked. ‘Lest Innocent Blood be Shed’ is an account of a village that sheltered Jews in France – and did so while being gentle with the Vichy forces. That led to warnings before raids as even those in the Vichy regime chose to care. > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, FWIW. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > James Wiegel < > > > > > > (mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com)> > jfwiegel(a)yahoo.com (mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com)> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2024 8:35 PM > > To: > > > > Order Ecumenical Community < > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > > > > > Cc: > > > > > > > > (mailto:w.schlesinger@pvida.net)> > w.schlesinger(a)pvida.net (mailto:w.schlesinger@pvida.net); Mari Crocker < > > > > > > (mailto:maricrocker@gmail.com)> > maricrocker(a)gmail.com (mailto:maricrocker@gmail.com)> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] bizarre > > > > > > > > > > Watching the world series, I am hit by ads similar to the post forwarded by Susan — 3 1/2 years in office and things didn’t get done and now they will —I dont know how to respond to that … help > > > > > > Jim Wiegel > > > > > > “…the long work > > of turning their lives > > into a celebration > > is not easy. Come and let us talk“. > > > > > > The Sunflowers. Mary Oliver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 28, 2024, at 5:00 PM, Mari Crocker via OE < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Amen! Dear friend, Bill. Thank you for this, and many other insightful comments you have shared over the years. Fond memories of the time Joe and I spent with your family, way back, when you were discerning your call. Fondly, Marilyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 28, 2024, at 7:22 PM, < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:w.schlesinger@pvida.net)> > > > w.schlesinger(a)pvida.net (mailto:w.schlesinger@pvida.net) > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:w.schlesinger@pvida.net)> > > > w.schlesinger(a)pvida.net (mailto:w.schlesinger@pvida.net) > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The vice-presidential candidate studied Rene Girard’s work – and betrayed it. He’s taken mimetic desire (I want what I see others having) and scapegoating (if we get rid of ‘them’ we’ll solve our problems, so let us link arms and attack ‘them’) as recipes for victory instead of the driver for and betrayal of innocent suffering that Girard describes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trump creates the incredibly powerful tool that ended up crucifying Jesus – and in so doing, disclosed the horror and emptiness of that for the future. And as has been seen, when one ‘they’ has been disposed, the tool must find another – and turns on itself in a cannibalistic process of eating its own. Thus the ‘RINO’ charge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rubbing raw the sores of discontent can lead to this kind of destruction – and in an angry rejection of other values. Attacking it in kind only strengthens the method. Unfortunately, innocent suffering is the only tool that stops it – at cost. Thus the nonviolence movements of Gandhi and MLK Jr. and others… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My two cents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Schlesinger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: OE < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > > oe-bounces(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Mari Crocker via OE > > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2024 5:06 PM > > > > To: Order Ecumenical Community < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: Mari Crocker < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:maricrocker@gmail.com)> > > > maricrocker(a)gmail.com (mailto:maricrocker@gmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] bizarre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi W.J and other colleagues > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate your analysis, and would add to your assessment of a “cultural backlash against cultural change” and “the perpetuation of the ancient archetype of female subservience,” the side-effects (like those of a deleterious drug) of "the abused woman syndrome". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sister typifies the abused woman, who continued to submit to abuse by “staying in the marriage for the sake of the kids", and when she shook loose of marital abuse, she submitted to abuse by her sons, who of course learned from the role model of their father. One son did it by direct physical and emotional demeaning; the other by distancing himself geographically and abdicating any “hands-on” support to his mother when she was diagnosed with dementia, save for an occasional phone call. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, despite her dementia, my sister cast her absentee ballot for Kamala. Even with dementia she saw the light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marilyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 28, 2024, at 5:45 PM, W. J. via OE < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We're in the closing days of the most bizarre U.S. election campaign in my memory. According to Barack, N.C. Lt. Gov. Robinson, the Repugnant candidate for governor, is a self-described "Black Nazi" who wants to bring back slavery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that one's hard to beat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But it gets worse! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Robinson will be defeated on November 5, rather than riding into the governor's mansion on the coattails of Trump's predicted N.C. victory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But here's what's worse: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trump could narrowly win in the electoral college while losing the popular vote. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or he could narrowly lose the election, refuse to concede, and contest the election by casting doubt on its legitimacy and creating chaos in the electoral college, throwing the election to the House of Representatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The critical voter block that will guarantee either outcome are female Trump voters, almost all of whom are white, and most of whom are not college graduates and are predominantly postmenopausal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This raises what is for me a burning question: why would any woman vote for Trump? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And especially any woman who could conceive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would any woman not deeply understand that she is personally under threat the second any other woman is personally under threat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As well as being a member of a large group that is now directly under attack? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just don't get it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, given the racial and gender gap in the American electorate, even if every white male voted for Donald Trump, he would have to lose if every female plus every person of color voted for Kamala. Right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on this logic, the reality that I just can't predict that Trump will lose is deeply disturbing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I've tried to plumb the mystery of why any female (including my sister, who has voted for Trump twice before) would be determined to vote for Trump despite all the indisputable evidence that electing Trump in 2024 would be disastrous. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it comes down to this: a cultural backlash against global change that is perceived as both virtually inevitable and threatening to the survival of their traditional female gender identity roles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This perception of a diffuse but global threat to their sense of security in their traditional sense of self can lead female Trump voters to unconsciously self-destructive behavior, in that they can vote for Trump while at the same hating him personally as the embodiment of a threatening male dominance that they have had to put up with in their intimate familial relationships. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In short, females voting for Trump perpetuate the ancient archetype of female subservience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my humble opinion! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So why are any female voters so profoundly stuck in this personal dilemma? Of rebelling against the dominance of a male establishment by voting for a fascist wanna-be dictator who exudes a shrunken and impotent sense of male dominance while he attacks the American Constitution? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps those of you who are female can see more deeply into this contradiction than I can manage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The best I can suggest is to place this existential disturbance somewhere in the area of "cultural impoverishment", and perhaps in the category of being "spiritually vulnerable" to what we used to call "brainwashing". And thus resistant to reality-based messages that contradict personal beliefs that are determined by a myth system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I invite your responses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if you're a registered voter, don't neglect to vote! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marshall > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, I just can't get why any woman in our group would insist on trashing Kamala. Yet here's what Susan Fertig posted on Facebook: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <457488282_2891520291010734_7975706897851416784_n.jpg> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Maybe Trump thinks of the electoral college as another iteration of Trump University! 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Re: [Oe List ...] bizarre
by zbarley＠earthlink.net 30 Oct '24

30 Oct '24

Sent using myEarthLink On Mon Oct 28 20:35:46 MDT 2024 James Wiegel via OE wrote: Watching the world series, I am hit by ads similar to the post forwarded by Susan — 3 1/2 years in office and things didn’t get done and now they will —I dont know how to respond to that … help Jim Wiegel “…the long work of turning their lives into a celebration is not easy. Come and let us talk“. The Sunflowers. Mary Oliver > > On Oct 28, 2024, at 5:00 PM, Mari Crocker via OE < > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> wrote: > > > > Amen! Dear friend, Bill. Thank you for this, and many other insightful comments you have shared over the years. Fond memories of the time Joe and I spent with your family, way back, when you were discerning your call. Fondly, Marilyn > > > > > On Oct 28, 2024, at 7:22 PM, < > > > > > > (mailto:w.schlesinger@pvida.net)> > w.schlesinger(a)pvida.net (mailto:w.schlesinger@pvida.net)> < > > > > > > (mailto:w.schlesinger@pvida.net)> > w.schlesinger(a)pvida.net (mailto:w.schlesinger@pvida.net)> wrote: > > > > > > > > The vice-presidential candidate studied Rene Girard’s work – and betrayed it. He’s taken mimetic desire (I want what I see others having) and scapegoating (if we get rid of ‘them’ we’ll solve our problems, so let us link arms and attack ‘them’) as recipes for victory instead of the driver for and betrayal of innocent suffering that Girard describes. > > > > Trump creates the incredibly powerful tool that ended up crucifying Jesus – and in so doing, disclosed the horror and emptiness of that for the future. And as has been seen, when one ‘they’ has been disposed, the tool must find another – and turns on itself in a cannibalistic process of eating its own. Thus the ‘RINO’ charge. > > > > Rubbing raw the sores of discontent can lead to this kind of destruction – and in an angry rejection of other values. Attacking it in kind only strengthens the method. Unfortunately, innocent suffering is the only tool that stops it – at cost. Thus the nonviolence movements of Gandhi and MLK Jr. and others… > > > > My two cents. > > > > Bill Schlesinger > > > > From: OE < > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > oe-bounces(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > On Behalf Of Mari Crocker via OE > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2024 5:06 PM > > To: Order Ecumenical Community < > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > Cc: Mari Crocker < > > > > > > > > (mailto:maricrocker@gmail.com)> > maricrocker(a)gmail.com (mailto:maricrocker@gmail.com) > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] bizarre > > > > Hi W.J and other colleagues > > > > > > I appreciate your analysis, and would add to your assessment of a “cultural backlash against cultural change” and “the perpetuation of the ancient archetype of female subservience,” the side-effects (like those of a deleterious drug) of "the abused woman syndrome". > > > > > > > > My sister typifies the abused woman, who continued to submit to abuse by “staying in the marriage for the sake of the kids", and when she shook loose of marital abuse, she submitted to abuse by her sons, who of course learned from the role model of their father. One son did it by direct physical and emotional demeaning; the other by distancing himself geographically and abdicating any “hands-on” support to his mother when she was diagnosed with dementia, save for an occasional phone call. > > > > > > > > However, despite her dementia, my sister cast her absentee ballot for Kamala. Even with dementia she saw the light. > > > > > > > > Marilyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 28, 2024, at 5:45 PM, W. J. via OE < > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > We're in the closing days of the most bizarre U.S. election campaign in my memory. According to Barack, N.C. Lt. Gov. Robinson, the Repugnant candidate for governor, is a self-described "Black Nazi" who wants to bring back slavery. > > > > > > I know that one's hard to beat! > > > > > > But it gets worse! > > > > > > Robinson will be defeated on November 5, rather than riding into the governor's mansion on the coattails of Trump's predicted N.C. victory. > > > > > > But here's what's worse: > > > > > > Trump could narrowly win in the electoral college while losing the popular vote. > > > > > > Or he could narrowly lose the election, refuse to concede, and contest the election by casting doubt on its legitimacy and creating chaos in the electoral college, throwing the election to the House of Representatives. > > > > > > The critical voter block that will guarantee either outcome are female Trump voters, almost all of whom are white, and most of whom are not college graduates and are predominantly postmenopausal. > > > > > > This raises what is for me a burning question: why would any woman vote for Trump? > > > > > > And especially any woman who could conceive? > > > > > > Why would any woman not deeply understand that she is personally under threat the second any other woman is personally under threat? > > > > > > As well as being a member of a large group that is now directly under attack? > > > > > > I just don't get it. > > > > > > So, given the racial and gender gap in the American electorate, even if every white male voted for Donald Trump, he would have to lose if every female plus every person of color voted for Kamala. Right? > > > > > > Based on this logic, the reality that I just can't predict that Trump will lose is deeply disturbing. > > > > > > So I've tried to plumb the mystery of why any female (including my sister, who has voted for Trump twice before) would be determined to vote for Trump despite all the indisputable evidence that electing Trump in 2024 would be disastrous. > > > > > > I think it comes down to this: a cultural backlash against global change that is perceived as both virtually inevitable and threatening to the survival of their traditional female gender identity roles. > > > > > > This perception of a diffuse but global threat to their sense of security in their traditional sense of self can lead female Trump voters to unconsciously self-destructive behavior, in that they can vote for Trump while at the same hating him personally as the embodiment of a threatening male dominance that they have had to put up with in their intimate familial relationships. > > > > > > In short, females voting for Trump perpetuate the ancient archetype of female subservience. > > > > > > In my humble opinion! > > > > > > So why are any female voters so profoundly stuck in this personal dilemma? Of rebelling against the dominance of a male establishment by voting for a fascist wanna-be dictator who exudes a shrunken and impotent sense of male dominance while he attacks the American Constitution? > > > > > > Perhaps those of you who are female can see more deeply into this contradiction than I can manage. > > > > > > The best I can suggest is to place this existential disturbance somewhere in the area of "cultural impoverishment", and perhaps in the category of being "spiritually vulnerable" to what we used to call "brainwashing". And thus resistant to reality-based messages that contradict personal beliefs that are determined by a myth system. > > > > > > I invite your responses. > > > > > > And if you're a registered voter, don't neglect to vote! > > > > > > > > > > > > Marshall > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, I just can't get why any woman in our group would insist on trashing Kamala. Yet here's what Susan Fertig posted on Facebook: > > > > > > > > > > > > <457488282_2891520291010734_7975706897851416784_n.jpg> > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Maybe Trump thinks of the electoral college as another iteration of Trump University! A scam he can manipulate to get what he wants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <457488282_2891520291010734_7975706897851416784_n.jpg>_______________________________________________ > > > OE mailing list > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net)> > > OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net)> > > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: This transmission may contain confidential information belonging to the sender that is legally privileged and proprietary and may be subject to protection under the law, including the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA). If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. 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