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Re: [Oe List ...] Election Day, November, 1884
by Del Morrill via OE 10 Nov '16

10 Nov '16

Thanks for something to help heal this traumatize state I’m in!!! From: OE [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of James Wiegel via OE Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 4:53 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net>; Colleague Dialogue <dialogue(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> Subject: [Oe List ...] Election Day, November, 1884 This poem, thanks to Leslie Forbes -- Walt Whitman, 1819 - 1892 If I should need to name, O Western World, your powerfulest scene and show, ‘Twould not be you, Niagara—nor you, ye limitless prairies—nor your huge rifts of canyons, Colorado, Nor you, Yosemite—nor Yellowstone, with all its spasmic geyser-loops ascending to the skies, appearing and disappearing, Nor Oregon’s white cones—nor Huron’s belt of mighty lakes—nor Mississippi’s stream: —This seething hemisphere’s humanity, as now, I’d name—the still small voice vibrating—America’s choosing day, (The heart of it not in the chosen—the act itself the main, the quadriennial choosing,) The stretch of North and South arous’d—sea-board and inland—Texas to Maine—the Prairie States—Vermont, Virginia, California, The final ballot-shower from East to West—the paradox and conflict, The countless snow-flakes falling—(a swordless conflict, Yet more than all Rome’s wars of old, or modern Napoleon’s:) the peaceful choice of all, Or good or ill humanity—welcoming the darker odds, the dross: —Foams and ferments the wine? it serves to purify—while the heart pants, life glows: These stormy gusts and winds waft precious ships, Swell’d Washington’s, Jefferson’s, Lincoln’s sails. Jim Wiegel <http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=123> “If you want an adventure . . . what a time to be alive!”. Joanna Macy 401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel(a)yahoo.com <mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com <http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/> Upcoming ToP training opportunities in Arizona <http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=10> More info on: ToP® Facilitation Methods <http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=48> ToP® Strategic Planning <http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=50> : Mastering the Technology of Participation <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz3mniiYCdI> Register on line / see the ToP National Schedule <http://www.top-training.net/> AICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP® courses The AZ ToP® Community of Practice <http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=203> meets the 1st Friday, of every month, 1-4 pm, at ACYR, 648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003 <https://www.google.com/maps/place/648+N+5th+Ave/@33.456329,-112.080545,16z/…>

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Standing Rock Trip Update
by Ellie Stock via OE 09 Nov '16

09 Nov '16

Hi folks, Carleton and I and another colleague from St Louis decided to go to Standing Rock...a few quick updates... Monday, 11/7: Carleton and I drove 11 hours to Flandreau, SD today. Talked with 97 year old PCUSA Santee Sioux clergy, Sidney Byrd--Google him--very interesting. Lots of history and stories about his people and the church. He was part of an interracial delegation in the south with Martin Luther King, Jr. during the Civil Rights movement in the 60s. His great grandfather was from Minnesota, rounded up during the 1862 battle to protect land after which 400+ Native Americans were imprisoned and given death sentences. His was sentence was commuted by Pres. Abraham Lincoln. 38 others were not commuted and were hung in what was the largest governmental execution--now known as the Dakota 38. As the Dakota 38 walked to the gallows, they sang the "Dakota Hymn" (now in most denominational hymn books) as a song of praise, defiance, courage and victory . A missionary, Frazier, paraphrased the 2-verse version that is in most hymn books. Sid Byrd translated all 7 verses which is in the Dakota hymn book and the translation in the UCC hymn book. The tune: Lacquiparle is the tune of "Victory's Cry" which is in the ICA songbook, the song that was associated with the Cannonball HDP. Tuesday, 11/8: This morning we left Flandreau and arrived at our hotel around 3:30PM, checked in and then drove from north of Fort Yates, past Cannonball, to the Oceti Sakowin Camp, the largest camp at Standing Rock. The entrance is lined with flags from various Native American Tribes as well as from other groups. Lots of t-pees, tents, campers and other vehicles of resident campers spreading across a wide area. It was getting close to dark when we got there. Took a few photos and walked around the camp against the backdrop of a spectacular sunset. We eventually connected with Salvatore Caruso and Dianne Greenwald and had a good time around the main campfire catching up after many years. We saw Shiela Johnson briefly, but she was busy preparing a meal for 20 people. Hope to catch up with her again Wednesday. The police have blocked the road heading north to Bismarck. We drove in from the south. The police continue to harass the people by flying planes and helicopters over the camp and targeting the camp with spotlights. We weren't near where the clashes have occurred and won't be. We returned to the hotel, had dinner at the restaurant there which was crowded due to other people who were there because of Standing Rock. We are now in our hotel room, watching the election returns and sweating out the results. Tomorrow we will stop by Cannonball and one of the other camps, Sacred Stone Camp, and then return to the Oceti Sakwin Camp for the rest of the day. More later... Ellie elliestock(a)aol.com

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From Adam & Gayle in SE England: our hearts are bleeding for you
by Adam Thomson via OE 09 Nov '16

09 Nov '16

Our hearts are bleeding for you. Don't know what else to say at the moment. However here is some reading from today's Guardian (post-result): https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-white-ho… Love from Adam & Gayle

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Election Day, November, 1884
by James Wiegel via OE 09 Nov '16

09 Nov '16

This poem, thanks to Leslie Forbes -- Walt Whitman, 1819 - 1892 If I should need to name, O Western World, your powerfulestscene and show, ‘Twould not be you, Niagara—nor you, ye limitless prairies—nor your huge riftsof canyons, Colorado, Nor you, Yosemite—nor Yellowstone, with all itsspasmic geyser-loops ascending to the skies, appearing and disappearing, Nor Oregon’s white cones—nor Huron’s belt of mightylakes—nor Mississippi’s stream: —This seething hemisphere’s humanity, as now, I’d name—thestill small voice vibrating—America’s choosing day, (The heart of it not in the chosen—the act itselfthe main, the quadriennial choosing,) The stretch of North and South arous’d—sea-boardand inland—Texas to Maine—the Prairie States—Vermont, Virginia, California, The final ballot-shower from East to West—theparadox and conflict, The countless snow-flakes falling—(a swordlessconflict, Yet more than all Rome’s wars of old, or modernNapoleon’s:) the peaceful choice of all, Or good or ill humanity—welcoming the darker odds,the dross: —Foams and ferments the wine? it serves topurify—while the heart pants, life glows: These stormy gusts and winds waft precious ships, Swell’d Washington’s, Jefferson’s, Lincoln’s sails. Jim Wiegel “If you want an adventure . . . what a time to be alive!”. Joanna Macy 401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353623-363-3277jfwiegel(a)yahoo.comwww.partnersinparticipation.com Upcoming ToP training opportunities in Arizona More info on: ToP® Facilitation Methods ToP® Strategic Planning: Mastering the Technology of Participation Register on line / see the ToP National ScheduleAICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP® courses The AZ ToP® Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday, of every month, 1-4 pm, at ACYR, 648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003

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Re: [Oe List ...] Adam, is it your birthday?
by Lynda C via OE 08 Nov '16

08 Nov '16

Happy Birthday, Adam! We appreciate your presence on this list. Where are your children these days? Your son and maybe your daughter were in the same preschool as our Jeremiah, who was living with Judy and John Montgomery while we were in India. I have a photo somewhere that I must try to find and share with you. Jeremiah is now living in Spain near his wife’s family. We had them close to us all of their earlier years. Now we are living near our older son John and his family in Davidson, NC. Hope you saw the letter about some of our 2nd Generation youth making a Stand at Standing Rock. If you are able to send some support, it would be greatly appreciated. The paypal version would be an easy way for those out of the country. With care to you and Gaily and your family, Lynda and John From: "OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net>" <OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Reply-To: Adam Thomson <adam.thomson007(a)btinternet.com<mailto:adam.thomson007@btinternet.com>>, "OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net>" <OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Date: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 6:07 AM To: Jim and Judy Weigle <jfwiegel(a)yahoo.com<mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com>>, Milan Hamilton <mellowmilan2(a)gmail.com<mailto:mellowmilan2@gmail.com>>, Susan Fertig-Dykes <SFERTIG(a)BLUESKYTECH.US<mailto:SFERTIG@BLUESKYTECH.US>>, "OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net>" <OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net>>, "'A.M. Noel'" <anthonymarianoel(a)gmail.com<mailto:anthonymarianoel@gmail.com>>, "OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net>" <OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Adam, is it your birthday? Yes, dear Jim - it was my 78th birthday yesterday Monday Nov 7th - and you don't realise (actually I am sure you do...) what a cheering boost your message was for me in the midst of all this political horror in the US, and also in the UK (with "Brexit"). (How did you guess?) Thoughtful actions such as yours, as we all know, make the difference, sometimes, between success and failure, between despair and hope. Bless you, Jim - and very many thanks. Yours, Adam - in Dover, England. END OF MESSAGE At 04:07 AM 08-11-16, James Wiegel wrote: if so, we celebrate your being here, if not, we still celebrate your being Jim Wiegel<http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=123> â€œIf you want an adventure . . . what a time to be alive!â€. Joanna Macy 401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel(a)yahoo.com<mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com<http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/> Upcoming ToP training opportunities in Arizona<http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=10> More info on: ToPÂ® Facilitation Methods<http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=48> ToPÂ® Strategic Planning<http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=50>: Mastering the Technology of Participation<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz3mniiYCdI> Register on line / see the ToP National Schedule<http://www.top-training.net/> AICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToPÂ® courses The AZ ToPÂ® Community of Practice<http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=203> meets the 1st Friday, of every month, 1-4 pm, at ACYR, 648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003<https://www.google.com/maps/place/648+N+5th+Ave/@33.456329,-112.080545,16z/…> From: Adam Thomson via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> To: Milan Hamilton <mellowmilan2(a)gmail.com<mailto:mellowmilan2@gmail.com>>; 'Susan Fertig' <sfertig(a)blueskytech.us<mailto:sfertig@blueskytech.us>>; 'Order Ecumenical Community' <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>>; 'A.M. Noel' <anthonymarianoel(a)gmail.com<mailto:anthonymarianoel@gmail.com>> Cc: 'Order Ecumenical Community' <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. -Dear Susan From Adam Thomson, Dover UK. Y'all might be interested in this searing article in today Monday's Guardian newspaper triggered by current concern over misogyny as it applies to HRC. I felt in shreds by the time I had finished reading it - but I was glad that I had come across it. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/06/hillary-clinton-white… Barbara Kingsolver is an American novelist, essayist and poet - that's all I know. Maybe someone on the list knows of her. Love to all, Adam END OF MESSAGE In times of stress my beloved colleagues do come through with some stunning rehearsals in textual form of our reason for being what we are. That's why, after all these years, I still treasure this particular Order Ecumenical Community site. (I hope we don't discontinues this site soon, since I don't do to the social media sites). I couldn't have put the case better than Milan, A.M. Noel, and Randy have: however, I am reminded that it's not a question of shutting anyone out. Susan still seems to be missing the point by saying rather plaintively "I won't be offended if you ask me to remove you from my emails." Of course I don't want Susan to remove me from her emails. And also, Susan is missing the point by reproducing a political cartoon: how does that reinforce a particular message, or otherwise? As always, the issue is engagement. We wouldn't be having this somewhat strained conversation if we had not been subjected to this very particular US Presidential Election - and having said that, it surely is a positive for us to be shaken out of any complacency concerning the way life is, and for our awareness to be increased. So I say, let us continue to keep on keeping on. I soak up the words of my colleagues and I am indeed invigorated. There is going to be lots to do. We need to deploy candour without rancour when it is needed. We need to resort to our RS1 knowledge: the Word is indeed offensive - but in spite of that, our challenge is to accept the fact that we are accepted. Love from Adam Thomson At 02:56 PM 06-11-16, Milan Hamilton wrote: The hatred and vitriolic utterances that I have heard coming from the Hillary haters, and to have to bear it from some of those who have been through the same theological and sociological education that I have been exposed to, is giving me pause in these days. What has happened to Bonhoeffer, who would be turning over in his grave, not to mention our eschatological hero, JC. What has happened to Ã¢€œinnocentnt until proven guiltyÃ¢€ and then what of the eternal Word that was planted inn history more than 2000 years ago, and in fact has been true since the big bang? What of the All is good, All is received, accepted and possible? What of forgiveness? What about leaving the judgment to One, and only One, capable of judgment. What of the Ã¢€œthose who careÃ¢Ã¢€ as neither belonging to the establishment nor the dis-establishment? The trans-establishment? I wonder if all that work we did is now lost on us? I for one will go to bed Tuesday night, celebrating our first woman President, or lamenting the ignorance of our citizenry (and I mean ignorance not in the derogatory fashion, but in its more literal and historic meaning) in electing The Donald. But I will not arise on Tuesday and move to Canada or Mexico. We endured 8 years of the wrong decisions of the Bush administration and we will survive four (hopefully), or eight if necessary of the alternative. This election should be a wake-up call to all who value freedom and the weird form of democracy that is our Republic. Peace, Peace, even when there is no Peace! Milan Hamilton Aka Mellowmilan 80 North Center Street Redlands, CA 92373 909-735-5163 (H) 909-556-5815 (M) E-mail: mellowmilan2(a)gmail.com<mailto:mellowmilan2@gmail.com> Blog: www.mellowmilan.blogspot.com<http://www.mellowmilan.blogspot.com/> Blog 2: www.mellowmilansite.wordpress.com<http://www.mellowmilansite.wordpress.com/> From: OE [ mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Susan Fertig via OE Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 6:38 PM To: A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel(a)gmail.com<mailto:anthonymarianoel@gmail.com>>; Order Ecumenical Community <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>>; Adam Thomson <adam.thomson007(a)btinternet.com<mailto:adam.thomson007@btinternet.com>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. -Dear Susan [[]] Susan Susan Fertig-Dykes (personal email account) And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought . Isaiah 58:11 Protect against email address harvesting: Use "BCC" when sending to multiple addresses; delete sendersÃ¢€™ E-Mail addresses when forwarding. NOTE: I wonÃ¢€™t be offended if you ask me to remove yo you from my emails. From: OE [ mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of A.M. Noel via OE Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 10:26 AM To: Adam Thomson < adam.thomson007(a)btinternet.com<mailto:adam.thomson007@btinternet.com>>; Order Ecumenical Community <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. -Dear Susan Dear Colleages, History is once again being created by the very first women president in the USA. The world has been wiating for this moment and she is the Best and the most caring human being in spite of her mistakes. Linda and I have moved to the city of contribution (DC). We are all ready begun with theChicago cubs winning the world series and Hillary soon wining the, Ceelebrattion time come on Lets celebrate and have the best time. . A.M. Noel 206-321-6274 A.M. Noel On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Adam Thomson via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: From Adam Thomson, Dover in the UK, As one who originally consciously and physically joined the Spirit Movement in 1972, I have been stimulated by the responses in this stream - especially from Jaime, Dharma and Randy. I was also negatively stimulated by Susan Fertig's comments concerning HRC, and applauded Randy's posting on that. I had been struck by Susan's comments that revealingly included, "I've heard for years about this possible connection to EI/ICA, and I truly hope it's not true. It would be a horrible embarrassment to the movement." I have to say that Sue Fertig - even after many years - still has not grasped what the "movement" is about, at least in part: as the Spirit Movement - as the forgiven ones - we are not "embarrassed" by the actions or otherwise of anyone allegedly or otherwise connected with it. As it happens, I am still smarting from Susan's outrageous comments, including alleging that HRC was a criminal. And then, last night (Wednesday) in the UK, I happened to see Michael Moore's most recent short film, "Michael Moore in Trumpland", which cheered me up no end. I STRONGLY recommend people see this. Michael Moore was filmed doing a one-hour stand-up routine in Wilmington OH before an audience of committed HRC-haters, and the result was fascinating. Michael certainly put HRC's alleged past into a perspective that was helpful to me. By the way - our daughter Mary (born July 4 1978 at Weiss Memorial Hospital in Chicago) has taken great pains to exert her right to a VOTE as a US citizen (for the first time!), and she posted off her absentee ballot yesterday. I'm not telling anybody how she voted... Do try and see "Michael Moore in Trumpland", ASAP. It's a tremendous documentary. Love to all, Adam Thomson END OF MESSAGE "At 12:31 PM 03-11-16, via OE wrote: Thanks for this very helpful insight, Dharma. As we are consumed with the rancor between left and right in this country, the broader view calls us to consider what issues deserve our attention when it comes to being compassionate and responsible world citizens. Catherine Welch, Denver From: Dharmalingam Vinasithamby via OE<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:16 PM To: Len Hockley<mailto:LCHockley@gmail.com> ; laurelcg(a)aol.com<mailto:laurelcg@aol.com> ; Order Ecumenical Community<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> ; Order Ecumenical Community<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. -Dear Susan As an outsider, being in the Order/ICA gave me a close-up view of the US and how its citizens related to it. In all those years, beginning with Nixon all the way up to Obama, IÃƒÂ¢€™ve seen it in invade and destroy nations around nd the world, releasing waves of refugees and other miseries. But within the US, people lived in a cocoon that helped them avert their eyes. I remember the Vietnam war protesters and the many young people who fled the US in order not to be driven to kill ÃƒÂ¢â‚¬œgooksÃƒÂ¢€ overseas. I noticed that at at best, we were silent on this and at worst, disapproving. When I look back, I see that the protesters were the ÃƒÂ¢€œsensitive e and responsiveÃƒÂ¢€ â‚¬ part that Niebuhr wrote about. I also noticed the hunger among us to cite links to famous figures while pointing out that to live in the ÃƒÂ¢€œno longer and t the e not-yetÃƒÂ¢€ was to be ÃƒÂ¢€œnobodiesÃƒÂ¢€ . PerhPerhaps this was was the effect of consuming the stories meant for our framing and fund-raising strategies. I see that same hunger now reflected in recalling some distant crossing of trails with Hillary Clinton. Americans have been set up by the political elite to adopt positions around two equally ugly candidates put before them for the exercise of their ÃƒÂ¢€œdemocrcratic rightsÃƒÂ¢€ Ã¢‚Â¬ . . For all the emotions the Republican-Democrat tension evokes in our emails, election after election, that rivalry is a sham. This is a nation ruled by a ÃƒÂ¢€œsingle party with two o factionsÃsÃƒÂ¢€ . Whichever you praise or denigrate, the real owners of the land always win. And for the rest of us around the world, we can only wait for the light from this ÃƒÂ¢€œbeacon on n the hillÃƒÂ¢€ to eventually fade. Then, perhaps, the UUS will take its place as an ordinary member in the community of nations. Dharma On Wednesday, 2 November 2016, 7:33, Len Hockley via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: Dido Jon, The Naked Now by Richard Rohr is required reading! Len Hockley On 11/1/2016 2:58 PM, via OE wrote: Love this, Jon. Thanks. Jann -----Original Message----- From: jonzondo(a)juno.com<mailto:jonzondo@juno.com> via OE mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net To: isobeljimbish mailto:isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au; oe mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net Cc: oe mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2016 1:37 pm Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - Dear Susan Dear Group. Jon Elizondo here. Son of Tony and Ellery. Long time "Order kid" and short time Order adult. This conversation is very important, especially with all the perspectives. I will try to hone in now on one of my key points. The change needed in the system is huge. Our current system is incredible broken in so many ways. We are a first world country "purposefully" going backwards by not investing in our infrastructure nor in our people. In my observation and opinion, much of the national frustration shows itself in the desire to elect Trump, or Bernie, or any alternative. The "Cry" for change is massive, and will not let up. One of the traps is either/or thinking. one of the ways forward is both/and/plus-more thinking. One of the traps is "personal attacks". one of the ways forward is "come join us at the table". What I know in my bones is that we are all connected. That mysterious truth, combined with my passion & respect, is my key to intentionally moving forward. Walk in Beauty, Jon ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Isobel Bishop via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > To: Wilson Priscilla H <pris(a)teamtechpress.com<mailto:pris@teamtechpress.com> >, Order Ecumenical Community <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - Dear Susan Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 07:23:32 +1100 Thankyou for this conversation, colleagues. I appreciate the Honesty, pain and fear expressed in depth,to give us outsiders some real hope. Thankyou all. In peace and love, Isobel Sent from my iPhone On 2 Nov 2016, at 7:02 am, Wilson Priscilla H via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: No one has said that better, Randy. You should put that on Facebook…so we can all copy your words. Priscilla Wilson On Nov 1, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Joyce Sloan via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: Well said, Randy!! On Nov 1, 2016 2:20 PM, "Randy Williams via OE" <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: I keep asking, but still have not seen, one shred of verifiable evidence to substantiate the charge that Hillary has committed a criminal act of any sort. She's made serious mistakes like with the private server, she has not been as transparent as she could and perhaps should have been, she got paid a lot of money for some speeches (but less than some men), she's flip-flopped on some positions she's taken like on TPP, she has a super-healthy ego (an asset for a man but a huge liability for a woman in our culture), she didn't play nice when she was First Lady trying to get health care passed, as Secretary of State she traveled the world and spoke truth to power like the Premier of China, and after much gut-wrenching deliberation and prayer she chose to stay true to her vow to her husband of "for better or worse" through "worse." And to add insult to injury, she decided to run to be the first woman in the Office of President of the United States. How dare she. Despise her for all those things and hate all her positions on the issues, but don't accuse her of being a criminal unless you have some rock solid proof that hours and years and millions of dollars worth of hearings, investigations and witch hunts by scores of government agencies, news media and nondescript malcontents have been unable to produce. I've heard the rumors, innuendos, exaggerations, conjecture, gross distortions and outright lies, everything but verifiable truth. Got any? Then let's have it. But double check your sources before you put it out there because there really are some malingering, deplorable liars afoot in the land and a lot of fools are believing them and then repeating what they heard them say and calling it truth, and it just isn't. Randy Sent from my iPad On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Susan Fertig via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: Trump was never my choice, and Hillary is a criminal--her vision for the country is my first nightmare. And Trump is just as flawed. Both of them scare me to death. But neither if the other candidates is really an option either. I fear we're about to see this great American experiment in democracy become something no less evil than the many kleptocracies around the world. Susan Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Nov 1, 2016 11:55 AM, Judi White <sophiacircle(a)gmail.com<mailto:sophiacircle@gmail.com> > wrote: Well, what you wrote is what Frumper repeats over and over. Mist who parrot him do support him. I Personally prefer to read responses to a candidates vision for this nation. Also I stand firm in ny admiration which never ceases, of this woman who has continued in spite of the unbelievable accusations which are so blown up out of the real world of truth and honesty that it is cause for seriously asking "Why?". Why the hell bent mission to destroy a solid vision for this nation and this planet? There is no other candidate who shines so brightly and qualified to be an example for our children and grandchildren at this time. Rightly so. On Nov 1, 2016 12:20 PM, "Susan Fertig via OE" <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: How in the world did you infer that I must be a Trump supporter from my message? Susan Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Nov 1, 2016 7:56 AM, Ken Fisher <kenfisher1942(a)gmail.com<mailto:kenfisher1942@gmail.com> > wrote: Dear Susan, Writing to you as a Canadian Christian and 16-year Order member, I am awed by your commitment to American Republicanism and conservative Christianity. How in the world did you spend so much time with the EI/OE/ICA community and have your world view remain unaffected? From the perspective of Canada, we are 87% supporters of HRC and the image of America she represents. Probably Russia is 87% in favour of Donald. Each and every ÃƒÂ¢€˜crimeÃƒÂ¢â‚â‚¬™ that I have read read about that is attributed to Hillary has been most grandly committed by Republicans in previous Bush administrations. Surely you would agree that Donald Trump is an out and out racist, sexist, homophobe, parochial narcissist and most of all a climate change denier? HRC is none of the above. Thankfully, she is responsive to both Bernie and to Elizabeth. We may get out of this mess yet. Your phrase: "only values I see are abject greed, a pathological allegiance to lies, and arrogant flaunting of her ability to circumvent the law. She has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the poor and disadvantaged yet claims she has in the face of all evidence to the contrary.ÃƒÂ¢€ is really the truth that thee world sees about Trump. I would invite you to see all that as a projection. Should Trump take ownership of any of the above, that would be a fine moment of grace. Would you not agree? Margaret Atwood, (a Canadian poet, novelist, literary critic, essayist, and environmental activist) describes America in the midst of a Salem type witch hunt. I agree. It is, at the bottom a war against women. While there are indeed my contradictions in American society that both the Republican and Democratic administrations must answer for, the attached article came closest - for me - in describing how the Republican voice has committed itself to an ÃƒÂ¢€˜end d gameÃeÃƒÂ¢€™ and it would seem m that indeed, the GOP will ll ÃƒÂ¢€˜endÃƒÂ¢â¢â‚¬™. Love and best wishes to you, Susan and to all Trump supporters who have been left without any vision other than rebellion or depression. We are all responsible. Everyone. Ken in Canada. A Republican intellectual explains why the Republican Party is going to die http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/1 2256510/republican-party-trump -avik-roy<http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy> On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:03 AM, Susan Fertig via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: Values??? The only values I see are abject greed, a pathological allegiance to lies, and arrogant flaunting of her ability to circumvent the law. She has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the poor and disadvantaged yet claims she has in the face of all evidence to the contrary. I've heard for years about this possible connection to EI/ICA, and I truly hope it's not true. It would be a horrible embarrassment to the movement. Susan Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Oct 31, 2016 11:22 PM, William Salmon via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: Colleagues-- So many raise the question concerning Hillary Clinton's relationship to E.I. I decided to cast this bread upon the waters. The first sign is that while I addressed it to Hillary Clinton, an alternate address popped up. Consequently, it may really get to her attention, to that of some aid. May it be a Kool-Aid. Inner Peace, Bill Mrs. Hillary Clinton: It is my prayer that this reaches you concerning your experience in 5th City, Chicago, or it could have been in Evanston. Your Youth Director, Don Jones, must have been at a training event to become known as RS-I. About the same time, a large number of us dedicated ourselves to this renewal movement that grew from our experience in Chicago Ghetto to literally embrace the world. It makes me wonder if your experience under his leadership influenced the values you hold dear, and now wish to step onto the platform of the Presidency to do for our United States and for the world what was embraced by the courageous citizens in 5th City. You carry my prayers during this last turbulent week. You have my vote. Grace and Peace, Pastor William E. 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Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. -Dear Susan
by Adam Thomson via OE 08 Nov '16

08 Nov '16

From Adam Thomson, Dover UK. Y'all might be interested in this searing article in today Monday's Guardian newspaper triggered by current concern over misogyny as it applies to HRC. I felt in shreds by the time I had finished reading it - but I was glad that I had come across it. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/06/hillary-clinton-white… Barbara Kingsolver is an American novelist, essayist and poet - that's all I know. Maybe someone on the list knows of her. Love to all, Adam END OF MESSAGE In times of stress my beloved colleagues do come through with some stunning rehearsals in textual form of our reason for being what we are. That's why, after all these years, I still treasure this particular Order Ecumenical Community site. (I hope we don't discontinues this site soon, since I don't do to the social media sites). I couldn't have put the case better than Milan, A.M. Noel, and Randy have: however, I am reminded that it's not a question of shutting anyone out. Susan still seems to be missing the point by saying rather plaintively "I won't be offended if you ask me to remove you from my emails." Of course I don't want Susan to remove me from her emails. And also, Susan is missing the point by reproducing a political cartoon: how does that reinforce a particular message, or otherwise? As always, the issue is engagement. We wouldn't be having this somewhat strained conversation if we had not been subjected to this very particular US Presidential Election - and having said that, it surely is a positive for us to be shaken out of any complacency concerning the way life is, and for our awareness to be increased. So I say, let us continue to keep on keeping on. I soak up the words of my colleagues and I am indeed invigorated. There is going to be lots to do. We need to deploy candour without rancour when it is needed. We need to resort to our RS1 knowledge: the Word is indeed offensive - but in spite of that, our challenge is to accept the fact that we are accepted. Love from Adam Thomson At 02:56 PM 06-11-16, Milan Hamilton wrote: >The hatred and vitriolic utterances that I have >heard coming from the Hillary haters, and to >have to bear it from some of those who have been >through the same theological and sociological >education that I have been exposed to, is giving >me pause in these days. What has happened to >Bonhoeffer, who would be turning over in his >grave, not to mention our eschatological hero, >JC. What has happened to âinnocent until >proven guiltyâ and then what of the eternal >Word that was planted in history more than 2000 >years ago, and in fact has been true since the >big bang? What of the All is good, All is >received, accepted and possible? What of >forgiveness? What about leaving the judgment to >One, and only One, capable of judgment. What of >the âthose who careâ as neither belonging to >the establishment nor the dis-establishment? The >trans-establishment? I wonder if all that work >we did is now lost on us? I for one will go to >bed Tuesday night, celebrating our first woman >President, or lamenting the ignorance of our >citizenry (and I mean ignorance not in the >derogatory fashion, but in its more literal and >historic meaning) in electing The Donald. But I >will not arise on Tuesday and move to Canada or >Mexico. We endured 8 years of the wrong >decisions of the Bush administration and we will >survive four (hopefully), or eight if necessary >of the alternative. This election should be a >wake-up call to all who value freedom and the >weird form of democracy that is our Republic. >Peace, Peace, even when there is no Peace! > >Milan Hamilton >Aka Mellowmilan >80 North Center Street >Redlands, CA 92373 >909-735-5163 (H) >909-556-5815 (M) >E-mail: <mailto:mellowmilan2@gmail.com>mellowmilan2(a)gmail.com >Blog: <http://www.mellowmilan.blogspot.com/>www.mellowmilan.blogspot.com >Blog 2: ><http://www.mellowmilansite.wordpress.com/>www.mellowmilansite.wordpress.com > > > >From: OE >[mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Susan Fertig via OE >Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 6:38 PM >To: A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel(a)gmail.com>; >Order Ecumenical Community ><oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net>; Adam Thomson <adam.thomson007(a)btinternet.com> >Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. -Dear Susan > >[] > > >Susan > >Susan Fertig-Dykes >(personal email account) > >And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and >satisfy thy soul in drought . Isaiah 58:11 > > >Protect against email address harvesting: >Use "BCC" when sending to multiple addresses; >delete sendersâ E-Mail addresses when forwarding. >NOTE: I wonât be offended if you ask me to remove you from my emails. > > >From: OE >[<mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net>mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] >On Behalf Of A.M. Noel via OE >Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 10:26 AM >To: Adam Thomson ><<mailto:adam.thomson007@btinternet.com>adam.thomson007(a)btinternet.com>; >Order Ecumenical Community ><<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> >Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. -Dear Susan > >Dear Colleages, >History is once again being created by the very >first women president in the USA. The world has >been wiating for this moment and she is the Best >and the most caring human being in spite of her >mistakes. Linda and I have moved to the city of >contribution (DC). We are all ready begun with >theChicago cubs winning the world series and >Hillary soon wining the, Ceelebrattion time come >on Lets celebrate and have the best time. . >A.M. Noel >206-321-6274 > >A.M. Noel > >On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Adam Thomson >via OE <<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: > From Adam Thomson, Dover in the UK, >As one who originally consciously and physically >joined the Spirit Movement in 1972, I have been >stimulated by the responses in this stream - >especially from Jaime, Dharma and Randy. >I was also negatively stimulated by Susan >Fertig's comments concerning HRC, and applauded Randy's posting on that. >I had been struck by Susan's comments that >revealingly included, "I've heard for years >about this possible connection to EI/ICA, and I >truly hope it's not true. It would be a horrible >embarrassment to the movement." >I have to say that Sue Fertig - even after many >years - still has not grasped what the >"movement" is about, at least in part: as the >Spirit Movement - as the forgiven ones - we are >not "embarrassed" by the actions or otherwise of >anyone allegedly or otherwise connected with it. >As it happens, I am still smarting from Susan's >outrageous comments, including alleging that HRC was a criminal. >And then, last night (Wednesday) in the UK, I >happened to see Michael Moore's most recent >short film, "Michael Moore in Trumpland", which cheered me up no end. >I STRONGLY recommend people see this. Michael >Moore was filmed doing a one-hour stand-up >routine in Wilmington OH before an audience of >committed HRC-haters, and the result was >fascinating. Michael certainly put HRC's alleged >past into a perspective that was helpful to me. > >By the way - our daughter Mary (born July 4 1978 >at Weiss Memorial Hospital in Chicago) has taken >great pains to exert her right to a VOTE as a US >citizen (for the first time!), and she posted >off her absentee ballot yesterday. I'm not telling anybody how she voted... >Do try and see "Michael Moore in Trumpland", >ASAP. It's a tremendous documentary. >Love to all, Adam Thomson >END OF MESSAGE >"At 12:31 PM 03-11-16, via OE wrote: >Thanks for this very helpful insight, >Dharma. As we are consumed with the rancor >between left and right in this country, the >broader view calls us to consider what issues >deserve our attention when it comes to being >compassionate and responsible world citizens. > >Catherine Welch, Denver > >From: <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>Dharmalingam Vinasithamby via OE >Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:16 PM >To: <mailto:LCHockley@gmail.com>Len Hockley ; ><mailto:laurelcg@aol.com>laurelcg(a)aol.com ; ><mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>Order Ecumenical >Community ; <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>Order Ecumenical Community >Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. -Dear Susan > >As an outsider, being in the Order/ICA gave me a >close-up view of the US and how its citizens >related to it. In all those years, beginning >with Nixon all the way up to Obama, IÃ¢ve seen >it invade and destroy nations around nd the >world, releasing waves of refugees and other >miseries. But within the US, people lived in a >cocoon that helped them avert their eyes. I >remember the Vietnam war protesters and the many >young people who fled the US in order not to be >driven to kill Ã¢gooksÃ¢ overseas. I noticed >that at at best, we were silent on this and at >worst, disapproving. When I look back, I see >that the protesters were the Ã¢sensitive e and >responsiveÃ¢ part that Niebuhr wrote about. I >also noticed the hunger among us to cite links >to famous figures while pointing out that to >live in the Ã¢no longer and the e not-yetÃ¢ >was to be Ã¢nobodiesÃ¢ . Perhaps this was >was the effect of consuming the stories meant >for our framing and fund-raising strategies. > >I see that same hunger now reflected in >recalling some distant crossing of trails with >Hillary Clinton. Americans have been set up by >the political elite to adopt positions around >two equally ugly candidates put before them for >the exercise of their Ã¢democratic rightsÃ¢ >â¬ . For all the emotions the >Republican-Democrat tension evokes in our >emails, election after election, that rivalry is >a sham. This is a nation ruled by a Ã¢single >party with two o factionsÃ¢ . Whichever you >praise or denigrate, the real owners of the land >always win. And for the rest of us around the >world, we can only wait for the light from this >Ã¢beacon on n the hillÃ¢ to eventually fade. >Then, perhaps, the US will take its place as an >ordinary member in the community of nations. > >Dharma > >On Wednesday, 2 November 2016, 7:33, Len Hockley >via OE <<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: >Dido Jon, The Naked Now by Richard Rohr is required reading! >Len Hockley >On 11/1/2016 2:58 PM, via OE wrote: >Love this, Jon. Thanks. > >Jann >-----Original Message----- >From: ><mailto:jonzondo@juno.com>jonzondo(a)juno.com via >OE <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net >To: isobeljimbish ><mailto:isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au>mailto:isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au; >oe <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net >Cc: oe <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net >Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2016 1:37 pm >Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's >relationship to E.I. - Dear Susan >Dear Group. >Jon Elizondo here. Son of Tony and Ellery. >Long time "Order kid" and short time Order adult. >This conversation is very important, especially with all the perspectives. >I will try to hone in now on one of my key points. >The change needed in the system is huge. Our >current system is incredible broken in so many >ways. We are a first world country >"purposefully" going backwards by not investing >in our infrastructure nor in our people. >In my observation and opinion, much of the >national frustration shows itself in the desire >to elect Trump, or Bernie, or any >alternative. The "Cry" for change is massive, and will not let up. > >One of the traps is either/or thinking. > >one of the ways forward is both/and/plus-more thinking. > >One of the traps is "personal attacks". > >one of the ways forward is "come join us at the table". > >What I know in my bones is that we are all >connected. That mysterious truth, combined with >my passion & respect, is my key to intentionally moving forward. > >Walk in Beauty, >Jon > >---------- Original Message ---------- >From: Isobel Bishop via OE ><<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > >To: Wilson Priscilla H ><<mailto:pris@teamtechpress.com>pris(a)teamtechpress.com > >, Order Ecumenical Community ><<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > >Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's >relationship to E.I. - Dear Susan >Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 07:23:32 +1100 >Thankyou for this conversation, colleagues. I appreciate the >Honesty, pain and fear expressed in >depth,to give us outsiders some real hope. >Thankyou all. >In peace and love, >Isobel >Sent from my iPhone >On 2 Nov 2016, at 7:02 am, Wilson Priscilla H >via OE <<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote: >No one has said that better, Randy. You should >put that on Facebookso we can all copy your words. >Priscilla Wilson > >On Nov 1, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Joyce Sloan via OE ><<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote: >Well said, Randy!! > >On Nov 1, 2016 2:20 PM, "Randy Williams via OE" ><<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote: >I keep asking, but still have not seen, one >shred of verifiable evidence to substantiate the >charge that Hillary has committed a criminal act >of any sort. She's made serious mistakes like >with the private server, she has not been as >transparent as she could and perhaps should have >been, she got paid a lot of money for some >speeches (but less than some men), she's >flip-flopped on some positions she's taken like >on TPP, she has a super-healthy ego (an asset >for a man but a huge liability for a woman in >our culture), she didn't play nice when she was >First Lady trying to get health care passed, as >Secretary of State she traveled the world and >spoke truth to power like the Premier of China, >and after much gut-wrenching deliberation and >prayer she chose to stay true to her vow to her >husband of "for better or worse" through >"worse." And to add insult to injury, she >decided to run to be the first woman in the >Office of President of the United States. How >dare she. Despise her for all those things and >hate all her positions on the issues, but don't >accuse her of being a criminal unless you have >some rock solid proof that hours and years and >millions of dollars worth of hearings, >investigations and witch hunts by scores of >government agencies, news media and nondescript >malcontents have been unable to produce. I've >heard the rumors, innuendos, exaggerations, >conjecture, gross distortions and outright lies, >everything but verifiable truth. Got any? Then >let's have it. But double check your sources >before you put it out there because there really >are some malingering, deplorable liars afoot in >the land and a lot of fools are believing them >and then repeating what they heard them say and >calling it truth, and it just isn't. >Randy >Sent from my iPad >On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Susan Fertig via OE ><<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote: >Trump was never my choice, and Hillary is a >criminal--her vision for the country is my first >nightmare. And Trump is just as flawed. Both of >them scare me to death. But neither if the other >candidates is really an option either. I fear >we're about to see this great American >experiment in democracy become something no less >evil than the many kleptocracies around the world. > >Susan > >Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid >On Nov 1, 2016 11:55 AM, Judi White ><<mailto:sophiacircle@gmail.com>sophiacircle(a)gmail.com > wrote: >Well, what you wrote is what Frumper repeats >over and over. Mist who parrot him do support him. >I Personally prefer to read responses to a candidates vision for this nation. >Also I stand firm in ny admiration which never >ceases, of this woman who has continued in spite >of the unbelievable accusations which are so >blown up out of the real world of truth and >honesty that it is cause for seriously asking "Why?". >Why the hell bent mission to destroy a solid >vision for this nation and this planet? There is >no other candidate who shines so brightly and >qualified to be an example for our children and >grandchildren at this time. Rightly so. > >On Nov 1, 2016 12:20 PM, "Susan Fertig via OE" ><<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote: >How in the world did you infer that I must be a >Trump supporter from my message? > >Susan > >Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid >On Nov 1, 2016 7:56 AM, Ken Fisher ><<mailto:kenfisher1942@gmail.com>kenfisher1942(a)gmail.com > wrote: > > >Dear Susan, > >Writing to you as a Canadian Christian and >16-year Order member, I am awed by your >commitment to American Republicanism and >conservative Christianity. How in the world did >you spend so much time with the EI/OE/ICA >community and have your world view remain unaffected? > > From the perspective of Canada, we are 87% > supporters of HRC and the image of America she > represents. Probably Russia is 87% in favour of Donald. > >Each and every Ã¢crimeÃ¢ that I have read >read about that is attributed to Hillary has >been most grandly committed by Republicans in previous Bush administrations. > >Surely you would agree that Donald Trump is an >out and out racist, sexist, homophobe, parochial >narcissist and most of all a climate change >denier? HRC is none of the above. Thankfully, >she is responsive to both Bernie and to >Elizabeth. We may get out of this mess yet. > >Your phrase: "only values I see are abject >greed, a pathological allegiance to lies, and >arrogant flaunting of her ability to circumvent >the law. She has done absolutely nothing to >improve the lives of the poor and disadvantaged >yet claims she has in the face of all evidence >to the contrary.Ã¢ is really the truth that the world sees about Trump. > >I would invite you to see all that as a projection. > >Should Trump take ownership of any of the above, >that would be a fine moment of grace. Would you not agree? > >Margaret Atwood, (a Canadian poet, novelist, >literary critic, essayist, and environmental >activist) describes America in the midst of a >Salem type witch hunt. I agree. It is, at the bottom a war against women. > >While there are indeed my contradictions in >American society that both the Republican and >Democratic administrations must answer for, the >attached article came closest - for me - in >describing how the Republican voice has >committed itself to an Ã¢end d gameÃ¢ and it >would seem that indeed, the GOP will ll Ã¢endÃ¢. > >Love and best wishes to you, Susan and to all >Trump supporters who have been left without any >vision other than rebellion or depression. > >We are all responsible. Everyone. > >Ken in Canada. > > > > > >A Republican intellectual explains why the Republican Party is going to die > > > > > > > > > > > > > ><http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy>http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/1 >2256510/republican-party-trump -avik-roy > > > > > > > > >On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:03 AM, Susan Fertig via OE ><<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote: > >Values??? The only values I see are abject >greed, a pathological allegiance to lies, and >arrogant flaunting of her ability to circumvent >the law. She has done absolutely nothing to >improve the lives of the poor and disadvantaged >yet claims she has in the face of all evidence >to the contrary. I've heard for years about this >possible connection to EI/ICA, and I truly hope >it's not true. It would be a horrible embarrassment to the movement. > >Susan > >Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid >On Oct 31, 2016 11:22 PM, William Salmon via OE ><<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote: >Colleagues-- > So many raise the question concerning > Hillary Clinton's relationship to E.I. I > decided to cast this bread upon the waters. The > first sign is that while I addressed it to > Hillary Clinton, an alternate address popped > up. Consequently, it may really get to her > attention, to that of some aid. May it be a Kool-Aid. > Inner Peace, > Bill > >Mrs. Hillary Clinton: > It is my prayer that this reaches you > concerning your experience in 5th City, > Chicago, or it could have been in Evanston. > Your Youth Director, Don Jones, must have been > at a training event to become known as RS-I. > About the same time, a large number of us > dedicated ourselves to this renewal movement > that grew from our experience in Chicago Ghetto > to literally embrace the world. > It makes me wonder if your experience under > his leadership influenced the values you hold > dear, and now wish to step onto the platform of > the Presidency to do for our United States and > for the world what was embraced by the courageous citizens in 5th City. > You carry my prayers during this last turbulent week. You have my vote. > Grace and Peace, > Pastor William E. 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Standing Rock Assistance for our 2nd Generation Presence
by Lynda C via OE 08 Nov '16

08 Nov '16

Dear Colleagues of the lst Generation (1G) of OE, Our prayers for Standing Rock can take many forms, but one action in particular that I call your attention to is that of our 2nd Generation (2G) that we formerly called our Emerging Generation (EG). Those of you on Facebook may have seen that the 2nd Generation of OE younger adults ( once EG), are being represented at Standing Rock. They have raised money to get Shelia Johnson (daughter of Byrne Johnson) on site with some equipment to assist with the midwife and medical team as a cook and support person. However, with the situation moving into colder weather they are aware that more substantial equipment is needed. They are working on purchasing an insulated bus that will serve as a dorm for the midwives and medics and as a kitchen. Nina Crow Rhys (Stan's daughter) has requested support from us lst Generation OE Elders as they work to Stand with Standing Rock in this attempt to protect the water and sacred grounds. She is also headed to Standing Rock where her experience as a doula will be a gift to the midwife team. North Dakota based Alex St. Clair (son of Bob and Kate) will also be there and is assisting as Shelia's support staff. Attached is a more complete proposal from Alex. Alex has given me permission to share his e-mail if you have any questions that he might answer. alex.saint.c(a)gmail.com<mailto:alex.saint.c@gmail.com> Many years ago, our EG were with us as we embarked upon our mission to make a difference. Let's support them in this endeavor of being a presence that they are making on behalf of many of us. If you have already sent a contribution, many thanks. If you haven't gotten around to it yet, there is great need to move on this quickly so the bus can be outfitted for the cause. If you know of others who aren't on these lists or of others who might respond to this call, please pass this on. We are so grateful for the presence that Diane Greenwald and Salvatore Caruso have been at Standing Rock during the fall and now for the support they are bringing to Native families who are wintering there with their children. We are grateful for Ellie and Carlton Stock's presence there as well with other representatives from the Presbyterian Church USA. Sincerely, Lynda and John Cock Davidson, NC Lynda860(a)outlook.com (new e-mail)

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Re: [Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 56, Issue 37
by Jaime R Vergara via OE 08 Nov '16

08 Nov '16

Yo! Like the lady says, let's focus on the post-election imperatives! Ellie, Standing Rock a Lakota tribe? Was in Saskatoon and Vogar, but never made it across the country line save drive down to Uptown. Keep up the good work! Good wishes is all I could afford for the 2G now. Take care. Jaime Vergara Saipan and Shenyang wangzhimu2031 earthrise consciousness, a gift; earthbound commitment, my choice yesterday, appreciate; tomorrow, anticipate; today, participate! in all, celebrate! -----Original Message----- From: via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> To: oe <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2016 5:08 am Subject: OE Digest, Vol 56, Issue 37 Send OE mailing list submissions to oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oe-request(a)lists.wedgeblade.net You can reach the person managing the list at oe-owner(a)lists.wedgeblade.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of OE digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Salmon: Message for Jo and Susan (Randy Williams via OE) 2. Re: Standing Rock Assistance for our 2nd Generation Presence (Jean Long via OE) 3. Re: Standing Rock Assistance for our 2nd Generation Presence (Jean Long via OE) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 12:07:23 -0600 From: Randy Williams via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> To: William Salmon <wsalmon(a)cox.net>, Order Ecumenical Community <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Message for Jo and Susan Message-ID: <FFB044A9-E246-4228-A2F7-377DACF1D568(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In times like these, with what's at stake, how could there not be disputes among us. Despite our strong experience of community we were never a bunch of goddamn clones, and what binds us is ever stronger than what separates us, regardless of all the years of being physically scattered. "Where sin (separation) abounds..." We all know that little piece of profundity, and we know how it works. Randy Sent from my iPad > On Nov 6, 2016, at 8:58 PM, William Salmon via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: > > Colleagues All including Jo and Susan-- > On several occasions during my 82 years, I found the heat in the kitchen was fueled by my petulance and guilt. These were times when I decided to run from living in the kitchen of relationships that generated negative energy and disrespect; the reason being is that I am the one to do these dastardly deeds. It was at times lilke this that some one loved me enough to tell me to "suck it up!." > OE is in the forgiving business. I confess it is remarkable how the rational and emotional temperament of EI/ICA-Order Ecumenical generates a pretty common consensus methodology. However, don't the contrary views provide worthwhile insights. > Somewhere along the line, I remember our stories of the Contrary who lived as a reminder not to suck our significance out of what we do and what we said and believed. The Truth lies somewhere in the Middle of the Table. > So, I ask both Jo and Susan to suck it up. You'll find that running from the OE list service only makes you lonely. > I'll be glad when this damned election is over. This is not meant as a pejorative word, instead it is an honest prayer for what it is doing to us and the civility we embrace. > Keep the faith, Ladies. Remember, it is during the times of greatest despair that you'll hear the words, "YOU ARE ACCEPTED." (God love that Man!) > Inner Peace, > Bill > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net

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A Word on the US Election
by Herman Greene via OE 07 Nov '16

07 Nov '16

Folks I posted this on the Center for Ecozoic Society list serve and someone suggested I post it here, so I am: Dear friends, On Wednesday, November 9th, we will wake up to a new world—the US election has that importance. Neither Clinton nor Trump will be able sufficiently to address the challenges of sustainability and resilience. Trump has however said that he will “save” $100 billion by cutting off federal funding for renewable energy, climate change, and environmental regulation, and will withdraw from the Paris climate treaty. On the other hand, Trump represents a move to localism that many environmentalists advocate albeit with something else in mind. I have been reading David Orr’s new book, Dangerous Years: Climate Change, the Long Emergency and the Way Forward. It is a fitting sequel to his book Down to the Wire and is a sober look at the times ahead. I highly recommend it. The work of ecozoans will be the same no matter who wins the presidential election. I think our work will benefit from Hillary Clinton’s election, although if elected, her presidency will run into tremendous turbulence and backlash on the right and cynicism on the left. Such is the state of American politics today. Together, Herman -- __________________________________________________ Herman F. Greene 2516 Winningham Road Chapel Hill, NC 27516 919-942-4358 (ph & fax) hfgreenenc(a)gmail.com

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Salmon: Message for Jo and Susan
by William Salmon via OE 07 Nov '16

07 Nov '16

Colleagues All including Jo and Susan-- On several occasions during my 82 years, I found the heat in the kitchen was fueled by my petulance and guilt. These were times when I decided to run from living in the kitchen of relationships that generated negative energy and disrespect; the reason being is that I am the one to do these dastardly deeds. It was at times lilke this that some one loved me enough to tell me to "suck it up!." OE is in the forgiving business. I confess it is remarkable how the rational and emotional temperament of EI/ICA-Order Ecumenical generates a pretty common consensus methodology. However, don't the contrary views provide worthwhile insights. Somewhere along the line, I remember our stories of the Contrary who lived as a reminder not to suck our significance out of what we do and what we said and believed. The Truth lies somewhere in the Middle of the Table. So, I ask both Jo and Susan to suck it up. You'll find that running from the OE list service only makes you lonely. I'll be glad when this damned election is over. This is not meant as a pejorative word, instead it is an honest prayer for what it is doing to us and the civility we embrace. Keep the faith, Ladies. Remember, it is during the times of greatest despair that you'll hear the words, "YOU ARE ACCEPTED." (God love that Man!) Inner Peace, Bill

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