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Salmon: Reflection
by William Salmon via OE 02 Nov '16

02 Nov '16

Colleagues: "The Naked Now" is not a book that I have read. However, if the author is worth his salt, then the purpose of the book is to note the collapsing worldview; the global social process is a shambles: after 2000, the Economic tried a few global forays with no success; The Political seems well illustrated by the fiasco of the US elections; The Social has long ago disintegrated. Remember, while the local is where we live, it is the global that has the greater impact. Remember how we praised God for putting a tag on our big toe that recorded--"To be born in late 20th and early 21st Century. To be confessional, it is an exciting time. The secret is that all those who are like me are invited to get out of the way! The future belongs to those born after 1985. Good luck and God Speed. Pastor Bill. To: laurelcg(a)aol.com ; Order Ecumenical Community Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - DearSusan Dido Jon, The Naked Now by Richard Rohr is required reading! Len Hockley On 11/1/2016 2:58 PM, via OE wrote: Love this, Jon. Thanks. Jann -----Original Message----- From: jonzondo(a)juno.com via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> To: isobeljimbish <isobeljimbish(a)optusnet.com.au>; oe <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: oe <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2016 1:37 pm Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - Dear Susan Dear Group. Jon Elizondo here. Son of Tony and Ellery. Long time "Order kid" and short time Order adult. This conversation is very important, especially with all the perspectives. I will try to hone in now on one of my key points. The change needed in the system is huge. Our current system is incredible broken in so many ways. We are a first world country "purposefully" going backwards by not investing in our infrastructure nor in our people. In my observation and opinion, much of the national frustration shows itself in the desire to elect Trump, or Bernie, or any alternative. The "Cry" for change is massive, and will not let up. One of the traps is either/or thinking. one of the ways forward is both/and/plus-more thinking. One of the traps is "personal attacks". one of the ways forward is "come join us at the table". What I know in my bones is that we are all connected. That mysterious truth, combined with my passion & respect, is my key to intentionally moving forward. Walk in Beauty, Jon ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Isobel Bishop via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Wilson Priscilla H <pris(a)teamtechpress.com>, Order Ecumenical Community <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - Dear Susan Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 07:23:32 +1100 Thankyou for this conversation, colleagues. I appreciate the Honesty, pain and fear expressed in depth,to give us outsiders some real hope. Thankyou all. In peace and love, Isobel Sent from my iPhone On 2 Nov 2016, at 7:02 am, Wilson Priscilla H via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: No one has said that better, Randy. You should put that on Facebook…so we can all copy your words. Priscilla Wilson On Nov 1, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Joyce Sloan via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Well said, Randy!! On Nov 1, 2016 2:20 PM, "Randy Williams via OE" <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: I keep asking, but still have not seen, one shred of verifiable evidence to substantiate the charge that Hillary has committed a criminal act of any sort. She's made serious mistakes like with the private server, she has not been as transparent as she could and perhaps should have been, she got paid a lot of money for some speeches (but less than some men), she's flip-flopped on some positions she's taken like on TPP, she has a super-healthy ego (an asset for a man but a huge liability for a woman in our culture), she didn't play nice when she was First Lady trying to get health care passed, as Secretary of State she traveled the world and spoke truth to power like the Premier of China, and after much gut-wrenching deliberation and prayer she chose to stay true to her vow to her husband of "for better or worse" through "worse." And to add insult to injury, she decided to run to be the first woman in the Office of President of the United States. How dare she. Despise her for all those things and hate all her positions on the issues, but don't accuse her of being a criminal unless you have some rock solid proof that hours and years and millions of dollars worth of hearings, investigations and witch hunts by scores of government agencies, news media and nondescript malcontents have been unable to produce. I've heard the rumors, innuendos, exaggerations, conjecture, gross distortions and outright lies, everything but verifiable truth. Got any? Then let's have it. But double check your sources before you put it out there because there really are some malingering, deplorable liars afoot in the land and a lot of fools are believing them and then repeating what they heard them say and calling it truth, and it just isn't. Randy Sent from my iPad On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Susan Fertig via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Trump was never my choice, and Hillary is a criminal--her vision for the country is my first nightmare. And Trump is just as flawed. Both of them scare me to death. But neither if the other candidates is really an option either. I fear we're about to see this great American experiment in democracy become something no less evil than the many kleptocracies around the world. Susan Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Nov 1, 2016 11:55 AM, Judi White <sophiacircle(a)gmail.com> wrote: Well, what you wrote is what Frumper repeats over and over. Mist who parrot him do support him. I Personally prefer to read responses to a candidates vision for this nation. Also I stand firm in ny admiration which never ceases, of this woman who has continued in spite of the unbelievable accusations which are so blown up out of the real world of truth and honesty that it is cause for seriously asking "Why?". Why the hell bent mission to destroy a solid vision for this nation and this planet? There is no other candidate who shines so brightly and qualified to be an example for our children and grandchildren at this time. Rightly so. On Nov 1, 2016 12:20 PM, "Susan Fertig via OE" <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: How in the world did you infer that I must be a Trump supporter from my message? Susan Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Nov 1, 2016 7:56 AM, Ken Fisher <kenfisher1942(a)gmail.com> wrote: Dear Susan, Writing to you as a Canadian Christian and 16-year Order member, I am awed by your commitment to American Republicanism and conservative Christianity. How in the world did you spend so much time with the EI/OE/ICA community and have your world view remain unaffected? From the perspective of Canada, we are 87% supporters of HRC and the image of America she represents. Probably Russia is 87% in favour of Donald. Each and every ‘crime’ that I have read about that is attributed to Hillary has been most grandly committed by Republicans in previous Bush administrations. Surely you would agree that Donald Trump is an out and out racist, sexist, homophobe, parochial narcissist and most of all a climate change denier? HRC is none of the above. Thankfully, she is responsive to both Bernie and to Elizabeth. We may get out of this mess yet. Your phrase: "only values I see are abject greed, a pathological allegiance to lies, and arrogant flaunting of her ability to circumvent the law. She has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the poor and disadvantaged yet claims she has in the face of all evidence to the contrary.” is really the truth that the world sees about Trump. I would invite you to see all that as a projection. Should Trump take ownership of any of the above, that would be a fine moment of grace. Would you not agree? Margaret Atwood, (a Canadian poet, novelist, literary critic, essayist, and environmental activist) describes America in the midst of a Salem type witch hunt. I agree. It is, at the bottom a war against women. While there are indeed my contradictions in American society that both the Republican and Democratic administrations must answer for, the attached article came closest - for me - in describing how the Republican voice has committed itself to an ‘end game’ and it would seem that indeed, the GOP will ‘end’. Love and best wishes to you, Susan and to all Trump supporters who have been left without any vision other than rebellion or depression. We are all responsible. Everyone. Ken in Canada. A Republican intellectual explains why the Republican Party is going to die http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:03 AM, Susan Fertig via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Values??? The only values I see are abject greed, a pathological allegiance to lies, and arrogant flaunting of her ability to circumvent the law. She has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the poor and disadvantaged yet claims she has in the face of all evidence to the contrary. I've heard for years about this possible connection to EI/ICA, and I truly hope it's not true. It would be a horrible embarrassment to the movement. Susan Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Oct 31, 2016 11:22 PM, William Salmon via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Colleagues-- So many raise the question concerning Hillary Clinton's relationship to E.I. I decided to cast this bread upon the waters. The first sign is that while I addressed it to Hillary Clinton, an alternate address popped up. Consequently, it may really get to her attention, to that of some aid. May it be a Kool-Aid. Inner Peace, Bill Mrs. Hillary Clinton: It is my prayer that this reaches you concerning your experience in 5th City, Chicago, or it could have been in Evanston. Your Youth Director, Don Jones, must have been at a training event to become known as RS-I. About the same time, a large number of us dedicated ourselves to this renewal movement that grew from our experience in Chicago Ghetto to literally embrace the world. It makes me wonder if your experience under his leadership influenced the values you hold dear, and now wish to step onto the platform of the Presidency to do for our United States and for the world what was embraced by the courageous citizens in 5th City. You carry my prayers during this last turbulent week. You have my vote. Grace and Peace, Pastor William E. 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Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - Dear Susan
by Susan Fertig via OE 01 Nov '16

01 Nov '16

Trump was never my choice, and Hillary is a criminal--her vision for the country is my first nightmare. And Trump is just as flawed. Both of them scare me to death. But neither if the other candidates is really an option either. I fear we're about to see this great American experiment in democracy become something no less evil than the many kleptocracies around the world. Susan Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Nov 1, 2016 11:55 AM, Judi White <sophiacircle(a)gmail.com> wrote: Well, what you wrote is what Frumper repeats over and over. Mist who parrot him do support him. I Personally prefer to read responses to a candidates vision for this nation. Also I stand firm in ny admiration which never ceases, of this woman who has continued in spite of the unbelievable accusations which are so blown up out of the real world of truth and honesty that it is cause for seriously asking "Why?". Why the hell bent mission to destroy a solid vision for this nation and this planet? There is no other candidate who shines so brightly and qualified to be an example for our children and grandchildren at this time. Rightly so. On Nov 1, 2016 12:20 PM, "Susan Fertig via OE" <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: How in the world did you infer that I must be a Trump supporter from my message? Susan Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Nov 1, 2016 7:56 AM, Ken Fisher <kenfisher1942(a)gmail.com<mailto:kenfisher1942@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Susan, Writing to you as a Canadian Christian and 16-year Order member, I am awed by your commitment to American Republicanism and conservative Christianity. How in the world did you spend so much time with the EI/OE/ICA community and have your world view remain unaffected? From the perspective of Canada, we are 87% supporters of HRC and the image of America she represents. Probably Russia is 87% in favour of Donald. Each and every ‘crime’ that I have read about that is attributed to Hillary has been most grandly committed by Republicans in previous Bush administrations. Surely you would agree that Donald Trump is an out and out racist, sexist, homophobe, parochial narcissist and most of all a climate change denier? HRC is none of the above. Thankfully, she is responsive to both Bernie and to Elizabeth. We may get out of this mess yet. Your phrase: "only values I see are abject greed, a pathological allegiance to lies, and arrogant flaunting of her ability to circumvent the law. She has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the poor and disadvantaged yet claims she has in the face of all evidence to the contrary.” is really the truth that the world sees about Trump. I would invite you to see all that as a projection. Should Trump take ownership of any of the above, that would be a fine moment of grace. Would you not agree? Margaret Atwood, (a Canadian poet, novelist, literary critic, essayist, and environmental activist) describes America in the midst of a Salem type witch hunt. I agree. It is, at the bottom a war against women. While there are indeed my contradictions in American society that both the Republican and Democratic administrations must answer for, the attached article came closest - for me - in describing how the Republican voice has committed itself to an ‘end game’ and it would seem that indeed, the GOP will ‘end’. Love and best wishes to you, Susan and to all Trump supporters who have been left without any vision other than rebellion or depression. We are all responsible. Everyone. Ken in Canada. A Republican intellectual explains why the Republican Party is going to die http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:03 AM, Susan Fertig via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: Values??? The only values I see are abject greed, a pathological allegiance to lies, and arrogant flaunting of her ability to circumvent the law. She has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the poor and disadvantaged yet claims she has in the face of all evidence to the contrary. I've heard for years about this possible connection to EI/ICA, and I truly hope it's not true. It would be a horrible embarrassment to the movement. Susan Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Oct 31, 2016 11:22 PM, William Salmon via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: Colleagues-- So many raise the question concerning Hillary Clinton's relationship to E.I. I decided to cast this bread upon the waters. The first sign is that while I addressed it to Hillary Clinton, an alternate address popped up. Consequently, it may really get to her attention, to that of some aid. May it be a Kool-Aid. Inner Peace, Bill Mrs. Hillary Clinton: It is my prayer that this reaches you concerning your experience in 5th City, Chicago, or it could have been in Evanston. Your Youth Director, Don Jones, must have been at a training event to become known as RS-I. About the same time, a large number of us dedicated ourselves to this renewal movement that grew from our experience in Chicago Ghetto to literally embrace the world. It makes me wonder if your experience under his leadership influenced the values you hold dear, and now wish to step onto the platform of the Presidency to do for our United States and for the world what was embraced by the courageous citizens in 5th City. You carry my prayers during this last turbulent week. You have my vote. Grace and Peace, Pastor William E. 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about Hillary...
by W. J. via OE 01 Nov '16

01 Nov '16

Susan wrote:Values??? The only values I see are abject greed, a pathological allegiance to lies, and arrogant flaunting of her ability to circumvent the law. She has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the poor and disadvantaged yet claims she has in the face of all evidence to the contrary. I've heard for years about this possible connection to EI/ICA, and I truly hope it's not true. It would be a horrible embarrassment to the movement. Since I started this ball rolling by simply pointing to this CNN report (http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/30/politics/clinton-faith-private/) I will comment, but NOT on Susan's diatribe (after all, we need one outlier to voice the hatred Hillary and Bill have kicked up).Instead, I invite you to consider what it might mean for us as a group to have had some notable history-bending influence on a presidential candidate.Hillary was a 1964 "Goldwater Girl" in a cowgirl outfit--the result of her family's influence and that of Park Ridge and her Methodist background. Then Rev. Don Jones entered her life and expanded her horizons.I invite you to honor what the Ecumenical Institute did to 'explode' the limited context of the religious pablum offered by the Methodist Church in the 1960's--not to mention its antecedents in Texas back in 1950's.Hillary's Methodism has 'stuck' profoundly within who she is. But it is Methodism profoundly changed and leveraged by our work.Never forget that this happened historically. And never belittle or dismiss our efforts or deny the impact of our mission in an earlier era and another cultural context. If you do, I'm comin' after you!MarshallRecently I immersed myself in Bonhoeffer's 591-page biography by right-wing evangelical author Eric Metaxas. Here's the bottom line (saving you the cost and time to read the book--though I highly recommend it!): he didn't have clean hands. And he was WAY more elitist and entitled than you can imagine. And SO German!So before you go jumping all over Hillary, you might want to reread and chart Bonhoeffer's Freedom paper. Carefully!And if you want to know exactly what Hillary said to Joe Thomas, you'll have to ask him! Keeping in mind his propensity to embellish.

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Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - Dear Susan
by Bill Schlesinger via OE 01 Nov '16

01 Nov '16

Let us go gently into the anger and frustration around us. (full disclosure - Hillary supporter against Barack Obama in 2008). We are participating in governance - like making sausage only not so neat - and multiple and conflicting layers of resentment, entitlement and misplaced blame abound. We do better when we look at systems than at personalities, when we identify contradictions than when we denigrate persons. We are responsible to shape conversations in ways that move beyond polarities. Susan's views both reflect the sentiments of many and transmit the blaming and shaming of a complex human being. The temptation is not to ask why that's all she can see, but to get caught in a retaliatory set of charges against another person. We know we're trapped. We don't know how to address the trap itself. Bill Schlesinger From: OE [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Judi White via OE Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:55 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community; Susan Fertig Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - Dear Susan Well, what you wrote is what Frumper repeats over and over. Mist who parrot him do support him. I Personally prefer to read responses to a candidates vision for this nation. Also I stand firm in ny admiration which never ceases, of this woman who has continued in spite of the unbelievable accusations which are so blown up out of the real world of truth and honesty that it is cause for seriously asking "Why?". Why the hell bent mission to destroy a solid vision for this nation and this planet? There is no other candidate who shines so brightly and qualified to be an example for our children and grandchildren at this time. Rightly so. On Nov 1, 2016 12:20 PM, "Susan Fertig via OE" <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: How in the world did you infer that I must be a Trump supporter from my message? Susan Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Nov 1, 2016 7:56 AM, Ken Fisher <kenfisher1942(a)gmail.com> wrote: Dear Susan, Writing to you as a Canadian Christian and 16-year Order member, I am awed by your commitment to American Republicanism and conservative Christianity. How in the world did you spend so much time with the EI/OE/ICA community and have your world view remain unaffected? >From the perspective of Canada, we are 87% supporters of HRC and the image of America she represents. Probably Russia is 87% in favour of Donald. Each and every 'crime' that I have read about that is attributed to Hillary has been most grandly committed by Republicans in previous Bush administrations. Surely you would agree that Donald Trump is an out and out racist, sexist, homophobe, parochial narcissist and most of all a climate change denier? HRC is none of the above. Thankfully, she is responsive to both Bernie and to Elizabeth. We may get out of this mess yet. Your phrase: "only values I see are abject greed, a pathological allegiance to lies, and arrogant flaunting of her ability to circumvent the law. She has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the poor and disadvantaged yet claims she has in the face of all evidence to the contrary." is really the truth that the world sees about Trump. I would invite you to see all that as a projection. Should Trump take ownership of any of the above, that would be a fine moment of grace. Would you not agree? Margaret Atwood, (a Canadian poet, novelist, literary critic, essayist, and environmental activist) describes America in the midst of a Salem type witch hunt. I agree. It is, at the bottom a war against women. While there are indeed my contradictions in American society that both the Republican and Democratic administrations must answer for, the attached article came closest - for me - in describing how the Republican voice has committed itself to an 'end game' and it would seem that indeed, the GOP will 'end'. Love and best wishes to you, Susan and to all Trump supporters who have been left without any vision other than rebellion or depression. We are all responsible. Everyone. Ken in Canada. A Republican intellectual explains why the Republican Party is going to die http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:03 AM, Susan Fertig via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Values??? The only values I see are abject greed, a pathological allegiance to lies, and arrogant flaunting of her ability to circumvent the law. She has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the poor and disadvantaged yet claims she has in the face of all evidence to the contrary. I've heard for years about this possible connection to EI/ICA, and I truly hope it's not true. It would be a horrible embarrassment to the movement. Susan Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Oct 31, 2016 11:22 PM, William Salmon via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Colleagues-- So many raise the question concerning Hillary Clinton's relationship to E.I. I decided to cast this bread upon the waters. The first sign is that while I addressed it to Hillary Clinton, an alternate address popped up. Consequently, it may really get to her attention, to that of some aid. May it be a Kool-Aid. Inner Peace, Bill Mrs. Hillary Clinton: It is my prayer that this reaches you concerning your experience in 5th City, Chicago, or it could have been in Evanston. Your Youth Director, Don Jones, must have been at a training event to become known as RS-I. About the same time, a large number of us dedicated ourselves to this renewal movement that grew from our experience in Chicago Ghetto to literally embrace the world. It makes me wonder if your experience under his leadership influenced the values you hold dear, and now wish to step onto the platform of the Presidency to do for our United States and for the world what was embraced by the courageous citizens in 5th City. You carry my prayers during this last turbulent week. You have my vote. Grace and Peace, Pastor William E. Salmon 744 So. 10th Salina, KS 67401 wsalmon(a)cox.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net

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Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - Dear Susan
by Susan Fertig via OE 01 Nov '16

01 Nov '16

How in the world did you infer that I must be a Trump supporter from my message? Susan Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Nov 1, 2016 7:56 AM, Ken Fisher <kenfisher1942(a)gmail.com> wrote: Dear Susan, Writing to you as a Canadian Christian and 16-year Order member, I am awed by your commitment to American Republicanism and conservative Christianity. How in the world did you spend so much time with the EI/OE/ICA community and have your world view remain unaffected? From the perspective of Canada, we are 87% supporters of HRC and the image of America she represents. Probably Russia is 87% in favour of Donald. Each and every ‘crime’ that I have read about that is attributed to Hillary has been most grandly committed by Republicans in previous Bush administrations. Surely you would agree that Donald Trump is an out and out racist, sexist, homophobe, parochial narcissist and most of all a climate change denier? HRC is none of the above. Thankfully, she is responsive to both Bernie and to Elizabeth. We may get out of this mess yet. Your phrase: "only values I see are abject greed, a pathological allegiance to lies, and arrogant flaunting of her ability to circumvent the law. She has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the poor and disadvantaged yet claims she has in the face of all evidence to the contrary.” is really the truth that the world sees about Trump. I would invite you to see all that as a projection. Should Trump take ownership of any of the above, that would be a fine moment of grace. Would you not agree? Margaret Atwood, (a Canadian poet, novelist, literary critic, essayist, and environmental activist) describes America in the midst of a Salem type witch hunt. I agree. It is, at the bottom a war against women. While there are indeed my contradictions in American society that both the Republican and Democratic administrations must answer for, the attached article came closest - for me - in describing how the Republican voice has committed itself to an ‘end game’ and it would seem that indeed, the GOP will ‘end’. Love and best wishes to you, Susan and to all Trump supporters who have been left without any vision other than rebellion or depression. We are all responsible. Everyone. Ken in Canada. A Republican intellectual explains why the Republican Party is going to die http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:03 AM, Susan Fertig via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: Values??? The only values I see are abject greed, a pathological allegiance to lies, and arrogant flaunting of her ability to circumvent the law. She has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the poor and disadvantaged yet claims she has in the face of all evidence to the contrary. I've heard for years about this possible connection to EI/ICA, and I truly hope it's not true. It would be a horrible embarrassment to the movement. Susan Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Oct 31, 2016 11:22 PM, William Salmon via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: Colleagues-- So many raise the question concerning Hillary Clinton's relationship to E.I. I decided to cast this bread upon the waters. The first sign is that while I addressed it to Hillary Clinton, an alternate address popped up. Consequently, it may really get to her attention, to that of some aid. May it be a Kool-Aid. Inner Peace, Bill Mrs. Hillary Clinton: It is my prayer that this reaches you concerning your experience in 5th City, Chicago, or it could have been in Evanston. Your Youth Director, Don Jones, must have been at a training event to become known as RS-I. About the same time, a large number of us dedicated ourselves to this renewal movement that grew from our experience in Chicago Ghetto to literally embrace the world. It makes me wonder if your experience under his leadership influenced the values you hold dear, and now wish to step onto the platform of the Presidency to do for our United States and for the world what was embraced by the courageous citizens in 5th City. You carry my prayers during this last turbulent week. You have my vote. Grace and Peace, Pastor William E. Salmon 744 So. 10th Salina, KS 67401 wsalmon(a)cox.net<mailto:wsalmon@cox.net> _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net

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Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I.
by Susan Fertig via OE 01 Nov '16

01 Nov '16

Values??? The only values I see are abject greed, a pathological allegiance to lies, and arrogant flaunting of her ability to circumvent the law. She has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the poor and disadvantaged yet claims she has in the face of all evidence to the contrary. I've heard for years about this possible connection to EI/ICA, and I truly hope it's not true. It would be a horrible embarrassment to the movement. Susan Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Oct 31, 2016 11:22 PM, William Salmon via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Colleagues-- So many raise the question concerning Hillary Clinton's relationship to E.I. I decided to cast this bread upon the waters. The first sign is that while I addressed it to Hillary Clinton, an alternate address popped up. Consequently, it may really get to her attention, to that of some aid. May it be a Kool-Aid. Inner Peace, Bill Mrs. Hillary Clinton: It is my prayer that this reaches you concerning your experience in 5th City, Chicago, or it could have been in Evanston. Your Youth Director, Don Jones, must have been at a training event to become known as RS-I. About the same time, a large number of us dedicated ourselves to this renewal movement that grew from our experience in Chicago Ghetto to literally embrace the world. It makes me wonder if your experience under his leadership influenced the values you hold dear, and now wish to step onto the platform of the Presidency to do for our United States and for the world what was embraced by the courageous citizens in 5th City. You carry my prayers during this last turbulent week. You have my vote. Grace and Peace, Pastor William E. Salmon 744 So. 10th Salina, KS 67401 wsalmon(a)cox.net<mailto:wsalmon@cox.net>

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Interesting Obituary in the Minneapolis Star Tribune
by Beret Griffith via OE 01 Nov '16

01 Nov '16

I snipped a little bit of an obituary that caught my attention. You can read it in full on line. It seemed likely to me that someone from our "community" might have had contact with him years ago. Beret October 29, 2016 Methodist Bishop Emerson Colaw was 'spellbinding' orator, and kind ministry leader. Methodist Bishop Emerson Stephen Colaw had a knack for taking a familiar Bible story and reframing it in a way that challenged and inspired listeners. In one sermon titled “If You Want to Walk on Water, You’ve Got to Get Out of the Boat,” Colaw recounted the story of the apostle Peter walking on water toward Jesus and said that, like Peter, Christians must take risks to live out their faith. In 1961, he was appointed to Hyde Park Community United Methodist Church in Cincinnati, where he remained until he was appointed bishop in 1980.

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Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I.
by William Salmon via OE 01 Nov '16

01 Nov '16

Colleagues-- So many raise the question concerning Hillary Clinton's relationship to E.I. I decided to cast this bread upon the waters. The first sign is that while I addressed it to Hillary Clinton, an alternate address popped up. Consequently, it may really get to her attention, to that of some aid. May it be a Kool-Aid. Inner Peace, Bill Mrs. Hillary Clinton: It is my prayer that this reaches you concerning your experience in 5th City, Chicago, or it could have been in Evanston. Your Youth Director, Don Jones, must have been at a training event to become known as RS-I. About the same time, a large number of us dedicated ourselves to this renewal movement that grew from our experience in Chicago Ghetto to literally embrace the world. It makes me wonder if your experience under his leadership influenced the values you hold dear, and now wish to step onto the platform of the Presidency to do for our United States and for the world what was embraced by the courageous citizens in 5th City. You carry my prayers during this last turbulent week. You have my vote. Grace and Peace, Pastor William E. Salmon 744 So. 10th Salina, KS 67401 wsalmon(a)cox.net

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Re: [Oe List ...] very familiar!
by Zoe Barley via OE 01 Nov '16

01 Nov '16

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very familiar!
by W. J. via OE 01 Nov '16

01 Nov '16

Somehow this sounds VERY familiar!"In 1961, when Clinton was a teenager, a youth pastor came blazing into Park Ridge behind the wheel of a red Chevy convertible. The Rev. Don Jones would inspire Clinton to see the world as her parish.Fresh from seminary after a stint in the Navy, Jones gathered the sheltered Methodist youth of Park Ridge and gave them crash courses in the "University of Life." He read them poems by e.e. cummings, introduced them to Christian intellectuals such as Dietrich Bonhoeffer and Paul Tillich, and asked them to interpret modernist paintings such as Picasso's 'Guernica'."Much later Tillich's sermon 'You Are Accepted' got Hillary through the Monica crisis.Joe Thomas tells about meeting Hillary in Baton Rouge some years ago and discussing her experience at The Ecumenical Institute.So GO VOTE already!MarshallThe public and private faith of Hillary Clinton | | | | | | | | | | | The public and private faith of Hillary Clinton By Daniel Burke, CNN Religion Editor The conventional wisdom is that Hillary Clinton is reluctant to talk about religion, which is only half true. He... | | | |

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