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Charles Moore
by Ken Fisher via OE 05 Jul '14

05 Jul '14

Sent to me by Joyce Marshall Colleagues, You may not have seen the fourth link below, another reflection on Charles' self-immolation, relating it to those in LGTB community who are being immolated. k http://revjeffhood.com/dont-you-dare-turn-your-head-the-self-immolation-of-… http://www.tylerpaper.com/TP-News+Local/202001/stepsoninlaw-of-man-who-set-… http://www.tylerpaper.com/TP-News+Local/201968/madman-or-martyr-retired-min… http://sealowder.com/tag/reverend-charles-moore/

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Location of Pat Moore
by Dr David Scott via OE 05 Jul '14

05 Jul '14

Does anyone know where Pat is? Has anyone reached out to her? david scott

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Jaime for Tuesday
by via OE 05 Jul '14

05 Jul '14

Yah Hoo, Tally Hoo The spelling of the words on our title is intentional,focusing on the phonetic effect more than the proper literary spelling andstandard usage. On Calgary Stampede thispast weekend, variations of the same were heard all over as a city uses one ofits former economic functions to drum up participation in the visitors’industry that obviously attracts a crowd this time of the year. Geared to the visitors’ sector, the city by the confluenceof Bow and Elbow rivers relived the region’s history of being the cattlemarketing and meatpacking center of Canada. In 1912, four wealthy families who received the dominion’s grazingrights to attract farmers from the east to the Northwest established the“greatest outdoor show on earth.” I woreblue jeans, a wide-belt, with a wildly colored cowhand shirt, a wide-brimcowboy hat and a neck pendant (bolo tie), draped a red bandanna, but my feetskipped the cowboy boots. I visited Calgary in the 70s while living in easternneighbor Saskatchewan province. Calgarysprawled of agricultural spreads and ranches but the cowboy hats weredefinitely fashion mainstay among the populace. It was also a center of anemerging energy industry, and many in the parish church where I attend Mass areemployed in corporations reaping the short financial gain on a long-termecological challenge. The energy industry defined Calgary and Alberta’s relationshipto its neighbors. I remember when therewere more flights from Calgary to Denver and Houston than there were forToronto and Ottawa. That was very telling. Last Sunday, my pew seatmate introduced himself as anemployee of Husky Oil. Our conversationturned to his views on Russia’s signing of a long-term contract with China onthe national gas from the Russian Far East to Manchuria where I reside. A pipeline from the fields to Qiqihar inHeilongjiang is already in place. Whenmy Husky Oil acquaintance bid goodbye at Church, he revealed that Canada discovereda bounty supply of natural gas, timely for EU, so I said that, perhaps, theircompany can go easy on the tar sands of Alberta slated for pipeline shipping tothe Gulf of Mexico. He justchuckled. More than 80 percent of thoseI shared coffee with at the Parish were dependent on the energy industryincluding Suncor that’s developing the tar sands’ fuel supply and Enbridgethat’s building the Keystone XL pipeline. But it is the Rodeo and Exhibition events that drew thecrowd during this year’s Stampede. Theparade on July 4th in the downtown area, marshaled by no other thanWilliam Shatner of Star Trek fame early in the morning launched the 10 days ofmusic, food, excitement, education, friendship, and community. Functionally, the Stampede began the day before La Fete duCanada, Canada Day on the First of July. Media did not foist a theme. Itwas participatory, asking everyone, “What is your Canada?” (Google CBC’s coverage of Canada Day in theCapital.) The world’s richest (by prize) tournament-style rodeoheadlined the events July 4-6. Theevents caliber came down to the skill of the competitors and the qualities of wildand untamed horses, bulls and steers. AStampede original is the chuckwagon race at the Rangeland Derby, whichscheduled nine evening heats of pounding hooves and trembling grounds. The nightly Grandstand Show entertained with amazingtechnology, music, stunts, pyrotechnics and stunning sets to captivate anenthralled audience. A 4-H parade, andgathering occurred early where projects were displayed and rodeo riding wasyouthfully performed. Team penning racedagainst the clock as the athleticism and skills of horse and rider competed,followed by the blacksmiths’ ability tested. Showcases and displays saw miniature donkeys, stock dogs,cattle trail of the beef industry, equine aristocrats and cowboy challenges, cuttingand cow horses with provincial local breeds, miniature horse, draft horse,heavy horse pull, wooly sheep shearing, sheep breeds, agrium ag-tivity, tractors,livestock auction, youth livestock and scholarships. The Stampede Parade affirmed the excitement mirrored inthe Adrenaline Ranch presentations of sky high, gravity defying, and worldrecord stunts at the middle of the Stampede Park. The world-renown Peking Acrobatics performedat the corral show to demonstrate that indeed, the friendly but exciting natureof mosaic Canada can no longer be denied. It still came as a surprise that Asians predominate over theCaucasians in Canada’s Calgary streets, though not on the Stampedestaffing. In a conversation, I mentionedthat we should not be too threatened by the “yellow” fever since of five folksin the planet, one is Chinese. I wastold that of five people in Calgary, only one now is a Caucasian. We need not draw the obvious. Saipan’s diversity is a rich mosaic, a givenreality. Will we ever get the reality humming the same tune, dancing the samebeat and lolling under the sun in a canopy of a big story enough to contain usall? Yah Hoo, Tally Hoo! j'aime la vie pinoypanda2031(a)aol.com yesterday, appreciate; tomorrow, anticipate; today. participate. In all, celebrate!

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Jaime for Monday
by via OE 05 Jul '14

05 Jul '14

First of July La Fete du Canadais the French phrase for Canada Day, First of July, when the color red thisyear streamed across the TV screens across Canada. Being a full resident of China where the Eastremains Red, I was not prepared for the preponderance of Zhongguoren (Chinese) north of the 48th parallel inNorth America. When I lived inSaskatchewan in the 70s, it was always a delight to stop by the localrestaurant ran by a Chinese family. Thered of Canada and the red of China are obviously not the same, but the presenceof Chinese in the land of Truth North Strong and Free has become prominent inthis year’s celebration, judging from TV clips. But first, in the official celebration of La Fete du Canadaaired from the Quad of the Parliament Hill in Ottawa, the first song sang thatgot the Governor General and everyone else on their feet was “God Save theQueen,” followed by “Oh, Canada”. As a Commonwealth of the United Kingdom, Canada doesrecognize the Queen of England and the segment of the Canadian population thatwalks with a straight upper lip tend to mind their manners revering the aura ofKate and William when they visit the realm. So, for Canada Day, I walked down 8th Ave indowntown Calgary last Tuesday from the Municipal building to the entrance ofStephen Ave Walk by Toronto Dominion (TD) square. Like other festive occasions, the day has vendorslined up along the pedestrian-only avenue with tents and stalls selling food,handicrafts, and beverages even as entertainment is heard from neighboringparks; troubadours along the walk act their gig with open hats on the ground fordonations under the long yellow-red banners draped on the street lights for theoccasion. I was told at Cole next to Brooks Brothers by TD Square thatthe establishment had to put notices of “for paying customers only” on thetables because Chinese workers would bring their food and occupy tables withoutbuying anything from the food stalls. There is a racist resistance to the rapid ascent of Asians, for whatused to be “Little Italy” north of the city has become an Asian enclave. Unfortunately, as Asians seems to look alike,Vietnamese, Koreans, Japanese and anyone else from Central Asia and SoutheastAsia are dubbed “Chinese”! The Mayor of Calgary is of South Indian descent named Nenji,a candidate to replace Rob Ford of Toronto is a Chow, and Chinatown by the Bowriver show magnificent structures and establishments trading not only Chinesegoods but also patrons to the Bank of China, not a mere hole-in-the-wall offshorefinancial service in the downtown area, so the tinge of jealousy on thingsChinese laces the perceived taint on a racial reputation. The Imperial “God Save the Queen” has not been an ethos historicallyfriendly to the land of 56 ethnic groups of China though its influence on HongKong is considerable. Thanks to thehandover in 1997, the human and money capital exited Victoria Island swiftlyand swelled the Chinatowns of the East Pacific Shores of the West Coast of NA,particularly Vancouver in BC. “Oh, Canada,” billed as the “Truth North Strong and Free” onthis Canada Day had CTV launch a highly participatory definition of thecelebration’s theme by asking everyone, “What is Canada to you?” Open, welcoming, and diverse, are themesrepeatedly uttered. “Free/Libre” isemblazoned on the TV screen. The Boys’ Choir of British Columbia led the Ottawa audiencein singing both songs. The GovernorGeneral gave a very spirited rendition by looks though the audio was not tunedup. And I sat as my brain cells shiftedto lyrics learned in the Prairies of the 70s: I have welcomed the dawn fromthe fields of Saskatchewan Followed the sun to theVancouver shore Watched it climb shiny new upthe snow peaks of Caribou Up to the clouds where thewild Rockies soar. I remember leaving Saskatoon just about the time Neil Youngstarted humming his “Four strong winds” song, and on this the occasion of myfare-thee-well of North America, I was reminded once more: Think I'll go out to Alberta,weather's good there in the fall I got some friends that Icould go to working for Still I wish you'd change yourmindif I asked you one more time But we've been through this ahundred times or more. One of my daughters was a Canadian for 18 years. Born in Saskatoon, of the options for travelpapers from the US, Philippine, and Canada passports she was allowed to have,Canada’s was the cheapest. Myperipatetic family presented a border-crossing challenge as spouse and daughter(born in Manila) crossed sovereign boundaries with United States’ passportswhile father and second daughter presented a Pea Eye and Canada passports. Not a groupie for the defense of the original French O Canada, now, Oh, Canada in English, but being with Canucks in the rememberedland of Chinooks in Calgary this past week made me feel warmly welcomed homeonce more. j'aime la vie pinoypanda2031(a)aol.com yesterday, appreciate; tomorrow, anticipate; today. participate. In all, celebrate!

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Re: [Oe List ...] FW: My Prior, Charles Moore
by Nancy Trask via OE 04 Jul '14

04 Jul '14

Hi John and Lynda and all those who are on email but not Facebook, you must also see the Facebook reflections. Thank you for your words John. Rob Work's reflection also helped me immensely. I will copy and send as soon as I am back to some technology, unless someone else gets to it sooner. G & P Nancytrask(a)rocketmail.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Lynda Cock via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> </div><div>Date:07/04/2014 9:41 AM (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net>,'Colleague Dialogue' <dialogue(a)wedgeblade.net> </div><div>Subject: [Oe List ...] FW: My Prior, Charles Moore </div><div> </div>(some sort of trouble connecting with OE/ICA, so sending from Lynda's e-mail, John C.) Charles and I had many good chats and always brought up, with big laughs, our shoot-out at the Late Forrest saloon when I told him I was leaving the Order and he told me I would go to hell and I told him to go to hell. We deeply appreciated each other, all said and done. Last time I saw him was in Chicago a few years ago. We shook hands and held on. I’m so glad. I liked and respected Charles, but hardly understood him, nor him me, I am sure. He was a deeply reflective, deeply sensitive, and deeply everything kind of spirit man. I can imagine the process of his thinking from reading the Holcombe UMC and Randy Williams articles. He sensed his time was running out on how to change history, but by-god he committed himself to doing just that in some way or other. There is a big stir in the institutions and communities mentioned in those news articles, and many people, including us, are brought to a deeper reflection on how we change our nations and the Earth community. He used Bonhoeffer’s decision-making process and obviously very intentionally decided to do what he did. Do I wish he hadn’t? Yes. Do I understand his internal grappling with the state of things these days? I think we all do. Will we be able to forget this event? No. Will it cause us to reflect deeper about our given role in history? Yes. Charles, we give thanks for you and will remember you. Grace and Peace are yours. Journey on. John

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Fwd: GMCA June 30
by David Zahrt via OE 04 Jul '14

04 Jul '14

*MON Jun 30* We woke up and started to prepare for the day in the dark. After we circled-up and the Marchers headed for the NE border, I spent some time helping to get the campground cleaned up and packed up. Then I headed for the Nebraska border on my bike. Once everyone arrived we passed through the gateway, verbalized our intent for being on the March, and rehearsed the journey we’ve been on and pointed west and shouted: California, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, and then we pointed east and shouted Nebraska. Our Colorado coordinator, Chris, is staying with us several weeks. I think he will coach our NE coordinator, Anna, who joined us at 10 last night. Once we symbolized our crossing another border, I set off on my bike and once again, I got to the campsite before anyone else. I followed the texted information, but John J. drove the gear truck 50 miles because he got lost. Later I told the NE coordinator, Anna, that there are some requirements for the route publication: 1) It makes no difference that the total miles are posted. None of the Marchers wears an odometer. And if you’re driving the Gear truck it doesn’t help because the odometer reads in kilometers. 2) The most objective piece of information is the Mile-marker. Post the mile-marker readings so all can verify where they are and need to be. 3) Put a yellow streamer on the turnoff point. Before dinner we had a Transportation work-team meeting. I attended but have not been driving the truck(s) since Denver. Sarah, the March coordinator, requested that I continue to set-up and breakdown of the Solar Trailer. We had a smorgasbord dinner. The cooks had cooked beans, made salad, and put out some donated pies—apple, cherry, pumpkin, cream cheese. About 15 minutes after dinner a local supporter arrived with some homemade pizza, so I ate some more (no worries that we get enough to eat). At the close of dinner it was announced that the walk would be 18 miles and we would get up at 4 AM. While we were finishing some local supporters arrived and volunteered to take us to the nearby lake that is spring fed. Quite a few Marchers went to the lake. I stayed at camp and helped get ready for the morning: put the solar ovens back in the Gear truck and got the Solar trailer ready for tomorrow’s trip. -- Peace, David

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FW: My Prior, Charles Moore
by Lynda Cock via OE 04 Jul '14

04 Jul '14

(some sort of trouble connecting with OE/ICA, so sending from Lynda's e-mail, John C.) Charles and I had many good chats and always brought up, with big laughs, our shoot-out at the Late Forrest saloon when I told him I was leaving the Order and he told me I would go to hell and I told him to go to hell. We deeply appreciated each other, all said and done. Last time I saw him was in Chicago a few years ago. We shook hands and held on. I'm so glad. I liked and respected Charles, but hardly understood him, nor him me, I am sure. He was a deeply reflective, deeply sensitive, and deeply everything kind of spirit man. I can imagine the process of his thinking from reading the Holcombe UMC and Randy Williams articles. He sensed his time was running out on how to change history, but by-god he committed himself to doing just that in some way or other. There is a big stir in the institutions and communities mentioned in those news articles, and many people, including us, are brought to a deeper reflection on how we change our nations and the Earth community. He used Bonhoeffer's decision-making process and obviously very intentionally decided to do what he did. Do I wish he hadn't? Yes. Do I understand his internal grappling with the state of things these days? I think we all do. Will we be able to forget this event? No. Will it cause us to reflect deeper about our given role in history? Yes. Charles, we give thanks for you and will remember you. Grace and Peace are yours. Journey on. John

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Fwd: Madman or Martyr? Retired minister sets self on fire, dies
by Mary Hampton via OE 04 Jul '14

04 Jul '14

Begin forwarded message: > From: Mary Hampton <mhampton(a)att.net> > Date: July 3, 2014 at 12:58:02 PM EDT > To: Randy Williams <randycw1938(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Madman or Martyr? Retired minister sets self on fire, dies > > Thank you, George, Del, Jack and Randy and others, > > I am at a Gathering of 1200 Quakers in western Pennsylvania (California, PA no less). Our theme this year is "LOVE is the first motion". After breakfast, I sat down to read my e-mail. First, i read or comprehended that Charles had died. Then I read George's email "Immolated" with the Methodist article. My world was rocked. > > I did not know Charles well. I did run into him once at Grace Methodist a few years after we moved to Austin. I was there because a women's group was quilting the top I inherited from my grandmother. He was a gracious host and professed to recognize me although I had come up and introduced myself. > > I remember his Mountain of Care story about helping the old man to the bathroom on the plane. > > My first thought was, to the best of my knowledge, I was the only one of these 1200 loving, committed people who had a direct connection at all to this life and death. I have a horror of the means. AND YET, if we decide in every moment where we expend our lives is there not also a blessing in being able to decide where to give our deaths? > > I will go to Charles' Memorial Service. > > Grace and Peace. Love, LIGHT, > mary

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Charles Moore
by via OE 04 Jul '14

04 Jul '14

We can be gracious even to those who take exception to the judgment others make, and of those we make. Charles choose the manner of his exit. It finally does not matter whether a causality can be established on any type of result that will or will not follow. Nor would we think it to be a gracious act. It is equally clear that judgments reflect more the state of being of the judger rather than the judged. Charles Moore made a choice, that is, to me, a rare and valiant one. He may have been trying to call not only attention to his causes but also to himself, but I do not think he was trying to be just "another so-and-so", or a second "this or another". I think, he was just being Charles Moore - who gave a speech once to lower a room's temperature - and for that, I am thankful. Sad, but I am moving on. I have my own choices to make! Don't we all? Jaime ---- Original Message ---- From: via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> To: oe <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Fri, Jul 4, 2014 10:06 am Subject: OE Digest, Vol 28, Issue 3 Send OE mailing list submissions to oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oe-request(a)lists.wedgeblade.net You can reach the person managing the list at oe-owner(a)lists.wedgeblade.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of OE digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Charles Moore (via OE) 2. Tyler Morning Telegraph - Madman or Martyr? Retired minister sets self on fire, dies (rcwmbw via OE) 3. Re: [Dialogue] death of Charles Moore (Gordon Harper via OE) 4. Re: [Dialogue] death of Charles Moore (Ken Fisher via OE) 5. 7/3/14, Spong: Part XXIV Matthew - Interpreting Atonement Theology, Part II (Ellie Stock via OE) 6. Re: [Dialogue] death of Charles Moore (Don Hinkelman via OE) 7. Re: Rev. Charles Moore. Self-immolation in protest for injustice - perpetrated or allowed by our government (Mary Hampton via OE) 8. Fwd: Madman or Martyr? Retired minister sets self on fire, dies (Mary Hampton via OE) 9. Charles Moore info (Mary Hampton via OE) 10. Fwd: GMCA June 28-29 (David Zahrt via OE) 11. Re: Fwd: Madman or Martyr? Retired minister sets self on fire, dies (Holcombe Wanda via OE) 12. Re: [Dialogue] death of Charles Moore (Dharmalingam Vinasithamby via OE) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 13:46:03 -0400 (EDT) From: via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> To: oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] Charles Moore Message-ID: <8D164FDCB085755-1E18-3E80E(a)webmail-va028.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Charles Moore is an impressive man whose life remains in the sphere of "eternity" in my baggage of Christian metaphors. We had his young teenage son at the Saskatoon House. Like many of our Order youth, he was not at ease with assigned "authority" figures, Duncan Holmes nor I. But I liked the son probably because he was "rebellious" enough to be assertive. Being an SMU/Perkins grad myself, Charles is a brother! Will light up a candle here in Canada (will most likely just turn on a LED flashlight) as Calgary goes on a Stampede, and I take five couples to Lake Louise in Banff on a three day tour. Canada Day was a big deal, and tennis bonne femme Bouchard just made the Wimbledon Finals. Charles lit a bigger fire. He remains aflame in me. Jaime

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Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] death of Charles Moore
by Del Morril via OE 04 Jul '14

04 Jul '14

Thanks for this meaningful response, Jack, for it does speak to the other side of things, which is to truly appreciate the being and works of this colleague. I most certainly do honor what Charles has given to the world in the past, and what his life has meant o those who've known him. I guess I was simply so shocked at the way he chose to do this, especially not letting his family know of his plans. This is one of the reasons I felt it was totally unfair of him to choose this way out life. I appreciate his life, but still consider his act one of a totally disillusioned man, rather than an act of social conscience. But, as usual, that is my opinion. I am sure that Charles' hope included that his death would, indeed, stimulate dialogue of one kind or another, not only by us, but by all who saw and heard about it. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor(a)wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) -----Original Message----- From: Jack Gilles [mailto:jackcgilles@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 8:39 AM To: Del Morril Cc: Order Ecumenical Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] death of Charles Moore Del, For many of us we are his family, still. It is not for us to judge his act nor its sanity. That is between he and the Mystery, which I am sure he was deeply aware of. It sounds insane and a waste to most, I'm sure. I certainly wouldn't have done it. But that is an opinion and we will never know the deeps of his soul or the call he felt. Our task is to celebrate his existence, his place in the galaxy of the Order and pray for his immediate family that they may be comforted. In one sense all our deaths are absurd. We were born to be free and act in forgiveness. I take him at his word and deed. We die our own deaths or we allow death to decide for us. As I said, his choice is not my choice, but he certainly understood the call to act on behalf of all. The last time I saw Charles was at the 2000 Order Gathering in Vail. He spoke and it was not received well and for that I am sorry. He was a beloved man, with so many gifts and so much anguish. May he be at home in the ultimate Mystery. I shall miss him and am grateful for having him shape, as so many hundreds did, my life and direction. Grace & Peace, Jack On Jul 3, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Del Morril via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: > > Can you imagine what this act has done to his family?! He may think it was > sacrificial, but I think, like any open suicide for any reason, it is > totally self-serving, regardless of his philosophy! An insane demonstration, > from my perspective, and yet, in some ways, understandable. I just don't > think it will make a bit of difference in changing the social conscience. > That's the truly sad part of this act. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dialogue [mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of > George Holcombe via Dialogue > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 12:19 AM > To: ICA/OE List Serves; ICA/OE List Serves > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] death of Charles Moore > > Our colleague Charles immolated himself June 23, see article at > http://www.umc.org/news-and-media/retired-pastor-saw-destiny-in-self-immolat > ion > > Memorial service will be held July 12 at Faith Presbyterian Church in > Austin. > > George Holcombe > 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. > Austin, TX 78728 > Mobile 512/252-2756 > > "...we have the choice: we can gratefully cultivate the relationships that > make us part of a vast network, or we can take them for granted and allow > them to wither and die." Brother David Steindl-Rast, Deeper than Words > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > Dialogue mailing list > Dialogue(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------- > Text inserted by Panda IS 2014: > > This message has NOT been classified as spam. 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