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FOCUS: Bill Moyers, Naomi Klein | Capitalism and Climate Change [video and transcript of interview]
by Ellie Stock 20 Nov '12

20 Nov '12

Good interview of Naomi Klein by Bill Moyers on Climate Change. Would recommend her book Shock Doctrine, as well. Ellie If you are having problems viewing this message please click here: http://www.readersupportednews.org/ Reader Supported News | 18 November 12 It's Live on the HomePage Now: Reader Supported News FOCUS: Bill Moyers, Naomi Klein | Capitalism and Climate Change Bill Moyers, Naomi Klein, Moyers & Company Excerpt: "We've had this concerted campaign by the fossil fuel lobby to both buy off the environmental movement, to defame the environmental movement, to infiltrate the environmental movement, and to spread lies in the culture." READ MORE Contribute to RSN Become a Fan of RSN on Facebook You Are Subscribed As: carletonstock(a)aol.com Subscribe Unsubscribe If you are having problems viewing this message please click here: http://www.readersupportednews.org/ Reader Supported News | 18 November 12 It's Live on the HomePage Now: Reader Supported News FOCUS: Bill Moyers, Naomi Klein | Capitalism and Climate Change Bill Moyers, Naomi Klein, Moyers & Company Excerpt: "We've had this concerted campaign by the fossil fuel lobby to both buy off the environmental movement, to defame the environmental movement, to infiltrate the environmental movement, and to spread lies in the culture." READ MORE Contribute to RSN Become a Fan of RSN on Facebook You Are Subscribed As: carletonstock(a)aol.com Subscribe Unsubscribe

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Thanksgiving musing
by Jaime R Vergara 20 Nov '12

20 Nov '12

The usual caveat: curious, welcome; not, see you at the bend. j'aime la vie Yesterday, appreciate; tomorrow, anticipate; today, participate. In all, Celebrate! -----Original Message----- From: Jaime R Vergara <jrvergarajr2031(a)aol.com> To: jayvee_vallejera <jayvee_vallejera(a)saipantribune.com>; mark_rabago <mark_rabago(a)saipantribune.com>; editor <editor(a)saipantribune.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 20, 2012 8:48 pm Subject: For Thursday T-Day Three perspectives underlie the structure of Christian thoughtin the last two millennia. The mostfamiliar one is transcendence where paradise in the metaphor of heaven islocated elsewhere than where we currently are. Then there is earthly immanence, the transformation that occurs when oneunconditionally embraces the fullness of life in the here-and-now. The third is the spirit of freedom,transparent exercise of responsibility in the realm of finite historicalchoices. In ritual, these perspectives were intoned in the medievalformula of naming realities, "In the name of the Father, the Son, and theHoly Ghost!" In current parlance,that would be rehearsing the role of the Terminator, the Transformer, and theTurkey! Human civilization ritualize certain events like theculmination of a harvest, the completion of a monumental task, or just thesatisfaction over the passing of a crisis. Gratitude is a garden variety of human virtue. It joins other modes of affirmed consciousnessin the practices of personal confession, societal petition, and relationalintercession, long observed in prayerful communities. We tarry along the religious path of this national holidaybecause most Americans gather around family tables this day in the mythology ofthe first perspective. In such spiritbegan the annual celebration after Abraham Lincoln in 1863 proclaimed anational day of "Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father whodwelleth in Heaven". Brownscombe 1914 painting of Plymouth settlers feastingwith natives has become a familiar visual to accounts. Historians tell of 53 Plymouth settlers and90 Indians holding a three-day feast after the settlers survived their firstyear of harsh winter. (Revisionistspoint out that narratives, at least, need to acknowledge how the native residentswere later turned into targets on T-day's turkey shoots!) FDR nailed the date down to the fourth Thursday ofNovember, to settle the uncertainty of day on those years when there are fiveThursdays in November. Not all Statescomplied. It became a joke that whenthere were five Thursday, observance on the fourth made it Democratic while onthe fifth, Republican. The celebration has commercially evolved into a season ofshopping, marked by Macy's Parade, merrily rolls down the store aisles until waypast New Year, with the apex reached with Santa's gifts under the Tannenbaum boughtand wrapped before Christmas eve. Theintrusion of the dollar into the equation watered down the religious emphasisspecifically made Christian in the presidential proclamations of Presbyterianpastor's son Grover Cleveland and staunch Methodist William McKinley. Gerald Ford made the day totally secular skewing previousreferences to providence in his proclamation. The media was not pleased. Ford lost the next election. Ronald Reagan chuckled the"pardoning" of the proffered turkey, and George H. W. Bush made thepractice a permanent fixture in the annual presidential ritual. Bill Clinton emphasized gratitude to thosewho serve to promote the American vision and implement its mission. George W. Bush took the task of internationalpeace into the war room on terror after 9/11. Obama was criticized for not thanking "God" in hisproclamation of 2011. American sentimentshifted. Obama got reelected. Along with many College and Professional Sports' events,Holiday movies get a Thanksgiving premiere to test their weight in the boxoffice. The pumpkin pie remains a dinnerstaple but the contest is in the field on the biggest and heaviest varietyraised. Meanwhile, the wild turkey joinsthe list of the endangered specie. Thet-bird that graces holiday tables lost its thunder and smell, coming from coopswhere they are fattened for weight. Themeat hardly emits the familiar fragrant fowl flavor and aroma characteristic ofthe wild bird in the prairies now relegated to the trademark of a Bourbon. Thanksgiving Day in China has all the trappings ofwestern commercial symbols devoid of historical moorings. In Saipan, we render obeisance toprovidential divinity in the cosmic realm. It is a matter of course but irrelevant. In my campus building, gratitude is echoed by the Anshallah of Muslims from Africa, the Middle East, South-SoutheastAsia who share my building's morning elevator ride with their gracious salutationsof Salaam Malaikom! Grace drapes thediversity. Save for a lone Protestant evangelical, we do not seemuch of the transformative messianic impulse, amazingly gracious, orotherwise. The once 'puritanical' CPC battlescorruption within its ranks, with President Hu Jintao declaring at the recent PartyCongress that if the practice is not curtailed, it will be the death knell ofthe Party and the government in the next decade. The hyperbole on service reminiscent of Mao'svaunted service is met by a skeptical smirk. The current gap of income distribution is deep and wide. That's all that seem to matter in a newlyaffluent and resurgent China. The Terminator remained with Ahnold in California. The Transformer is still a toy but gotanimated in the fight between the autobots and the decepticons. As for my gobble gobble, I will stick with theturkey! j'aime la vie Yesterday, appreciate; tomorrow, anticipate; today, participate. In all, Celebrate!

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ANOTHER ONE: Can someone send me a copy of the Boulding paper please?
by James Wiegel 19 Nov '12

19 Nov '12

Here is another 'Boulding" paper . . . Jim Wiegel "Life has got a habit of not standing hitched. You got to ride it like you find it.. You got to change with it." Woody Guthrie 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353-2401 +1 623-363-3277 skype: jfredwiegel jfwiegel(a)yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com Upcoming public course opportunities: ToP Facilitation Methods Coming in February. Ask about an inhouse course ToP Strategic Planning, Oct 9-10, 2012 The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday of every month Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Program begins on Nov 14-16, 2012 See short video http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55 and website for further details. --- On Sat, 11/17/12, Frank Knutson <f.knutson(a)verizon.net> wrote: From: Frank Knutson <f.knutson(a)verizon.net> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Can someone send me a copy of the Boulding paper please? To: "ICA-USA" <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> Date: Saturday, November 17, 2012, 12:53 PM Re: [Oe List ...] Can someone send me a copy of the Boulding paper please? Thanks George, You've got to be taught to hate and fear You've got to be taught from year to year It's got to be drummed in your dear little ear You've got to be carefully taught You've got to be taught to be afraid Of people whose eyes are oddly made And people whose skin is a different shade You've got to be carefully taught You've got to be taught before it's too late Before you are six or seven or eight To hate all the people your relatives hate You've got to be carefully taught You've got to be carefully taught ~ Rodgers and Hammerstein ♥ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net

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Change of Email Address
by Herman Greene 19 Nov '12

19 Nov '12

I am changing my email address from the below to hfgreene.nc(a)gmail.com (or, if you prefer hfgreenenc.com, Google doesn't recognize periods in the name part). I expect to close my current account at the end of the year, but prefer for you to use my new account beginning right away. David Dunn are you maintaining this listserve. Could yoyu change my email address? Thanks, Herman _____________________________________________ Herman Greene 2516 Winningham Drive Chapel Hill, NC 27516 919-929-4116 (h) 919-624-0579 (c) 919-942-4358 (f) Skype: hgreene-nc hfgreene(a)mindspring.com

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11/15/12, Spong: The Birth of Jesus, Part II: Paul and the Virgin Birth
by Ellie Stock 17 Nov '12

17 Nov '12

HOMEPAGE MY PROFILE ESSAY ARCHIVE MESSAGE BOARDS CALENDAR The Birth of Jesus, Part II: Paul and the Virgin Birth In the writings of Paul, there is not a single reference to a supernatural birth tradition, regarding Jesus of Nazareth. That is a fact easily established. Determining what that fact means is a bit more complicated. Does this omission mean that Paul was unaware of this part of the Christian tradition? Is it possible that a story as dramatic as the one that appeared 20-30 years later in the gospels of Matthew and Luke could have been ignored by Paul, if it had been known? Paul was an educated man. The idea of a great person being born in a supernatural way that presaged his greatness was not unknown. There were birth legends surrounding the nativity of such icons as Alexander the great, Romulus and Remus and the deity called Mithra, for example, all of which were almost certainly known by Paul. So the evidence suggests that Paul did not include any reference to this tradition in regard to Jesus’ birth because he had never heard of it. If Paul had never heard of this tradition, the overwhelmingly probable explanation of this fact would be that the miraculous stories of Jesus’ birth had not yet been written, which means that they were not an original part of the Christian story. That is, however, an argument from silence and as such is not regarded as particularly definitive. So we turn to Paul’s writings to see what might be possible for us to conclude as the reality that Paul knew on this subject. Paul gives us some biographical details in one of his earliest epistles, the Epistle to the Galatians. Here he argues that the gospel he proclaims “is not man’s (nor according to man) gospel.” He goes on to say, “I did not receive it from man nor was I taught it but it came through a revelation of Jesus Christ” (Gal. 1:10-12). Then he recites his history as a persecutor of the Christian Church. Obviously that was well known, but we need to be aware that the details of his conversion on the road to Damascus will not be written until Luke produced the Book of Acts in the tenth decade of the Common Era, some 30 plus years after the death of Paul. Paul then describes his life in Judaism in which he asserts that he was “extremely zealous” for “the tradition of my fathers” (Gal. 1:14). Then he described his conversion saying that God had “set me apart” and was “pleased to reveal his son to me in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles.” To back up this claim, Paul says that after his conversion, which scholars place between one and six years following the crucifixion, he went to Arabia for three years and only then went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephus, that is Peter, and stayed with him for 15 days. He says he saw no other apostle “except for James, the Lord’s brother.” So somewhere no earlier than four years and no later than nine years after the crucifixion, Paul was in the presence of Peter and James, the brother of Jesus. In the first epistle to the Corinthians in chapter 11 and in chapter 15, Paul uses the phrase, “For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you.” In chapter 11 that phrase introduces Paul’s understanding of the institution of the “Lord’s Supper” and in chapter 15 he relates the final events in Jesus’ life: the crucifixion, the burial and the Easter experience of resurrection. From putting these things together we know that Paul learned many of the details of the Jesus story from his association with the disciples, though Paul insists that he got to know Jesus directly, by way of a revelatory experience. He also knows that Jesus had a brother. If the miraculous birth of Jesus had been a fact of history instead of a later developing legend, it seems obvious that an event of this presumed degree of importance would have been communicated to Paul. It wasn’t. In none of Paul’s writings is there any mention of the mother of Jesus, the father of Jesus or the birth of Jesus. This still remains, however, an argument from silence and as such continues to be weak and inconclusive. So, back to the Epistle to the Galatians we go in search of more data. Here we discover that Paul actually discusses the origins of Jesus. Interpreting the differences in being a child in a family as opposed to being a slave in a family, he argues that children are heirs and that even though they are placed under the authority of guardians, teachers and trustees until they come of age, they are nonetheless destined for freedom and their inheritance. Paul uses this analogy to explain the role of the law given to the people of Israel. The law is to them what guardians, teachers and trustees are to children who are not yet of age. They are obedient to them while they wait for their promised inheritance. In Paul’s mind, the role of Jesus was to give to all human life, Jews and Gentiles alike, the inheritance of full humanity, “sonship” he called it in the patriarchal world. Then in a wonderfully clear affirmation, Paul asserts this: “When the time had fully come, God sent forth his son, born of a woman, born under the law, so that we might receive adoption as “sons” (Gal. 4:8). For Paul, Jesus was “born of a woman.” That is, he was born just like any other person. It is not possible, he was suggesting, to be born in any other way. Could the word that is translated “woman” have in it any connotation of virgin? Not a chance! The Greek word used here is a form of the word “gunos” from which we get the word gynecology. It is not the word “parthenos” from which we get the word “parthenogenesis,” that is to give birth by a single sex and which does include the connotation of virgin. Jesus came from God the way every life comes from God, he was born of a woman. Paul also says that like every Jew he was also born under the law. Paul could not be clearer. The idea of a miraculous or virgin birth is never hinted at by this early Christian writer because he had never heard of it. The story of Jesus’ supernatural birth had not yet been written or developed. When these birth stories were written, one of their purposes was to assert that from the moment of his birth, Jesus was uniquely related to God. It is also clear that this idea was not one even entertained by Paul. To make this case we turn to the opening verses of the Epistle to the Romans. Paul certainly gives expression to his conviction that somehow and through some means, the reality of God they thought of as transcendent had been experienced as present in Jesus of Nazareth. In his early epistles he was content simply to proclaim the reality of this experience not to explain it. So he wrote that “God was in Christ” and the content that made this claim real was the experience of “reconciliation.” In the Christ experience, those people who had once been separated are brought together. Again, in Galatians, the apostle proclaims that inside the Christ experience, human differences and human barriers simply fade away. In Christ, there is no such thing as tribal identity, that is, there is no Jew or Greek, no Jew or Gentile, but one humanity. In Christ, there is no gender identity, no male or female, but a single humanity. In Christ, value is not established by economic or social standards, there is no bond or free, no slave or master, but a new creation, a new oneness. That was the God experience that Paul found in Jesus. It was a theme resonating throughout the New Testament. We see it in the Pentecost story of Acts 2 where spirit-filled people are said to be able to communicate in the same language of human oneness. We see it in the divine commission in Matthew 28 where the followers of Jesus are instructed in the name of Jesus to go to those whom they have previously described as unclean and unworthy and to proclaim to them the limitless love of God. We see it in the Fourth Gospel in which Jesus defines his purpose as giving abundant life to all. That is the God experience that his followers believed they had met in Jesus. When did this God presence enter into Jesus? Paul says it was at the time of the resurrection. This was the moment in which God and Jesus became one in the mind of Paul. So to the Romans he writes that Jesus was descended from King David “according to the flesh,” but was “designated Son of God in power according to the spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead” (Romans 1:3-4). As the tradition developed, that moment when God and Jesus became part of each other would get earlier and earlier. In Mark it was when he was baptized. In Matthew and Luke, it was when he was conceived. In John it was at the dawn of creation. The story of the origins of Jesus’ power would develop significantly between Paul and the later gospels. In that later development, the story of the Virgin Birth would be born and it would begin to grow. Paul, however, knew nothing of this tradition, since it was not developed until well after his death. The witness of Paul is clear. He never heard of the Virgin Birth. This fact begins to relativize the power of this claim as “revealed truth.” The Virgin Birth is not an essential ingredient in the Christian story. Why? Because one can hardly say that Paul, who had never heard of the Virgin Birth tradition, was not a Christian. ~John Shelby Spong Read the essay online here. Question & Answer Cynthia A. MoriczdeTecso via the internet writes: Question: You may not remember me but I grew up attending St. John's Boonton with Father Jack Thorn. Back then I was known as Cindy and the daughter of Ian and Allie Moricz. Ian was the "Lay Person" who helped Father Thorn. I know you always meet so many people, but I did have a question and thought you would be the best person to ask. As a child I knew that there were things we could and could not see around us. I am not just talking about the Holy Spirit or God, but ghosts, angels and demons. As an adult, I been involved with paranormal investigations. I have had some incredible experiences and began a blog site to share my personal stories as well as evidence I have captured (www.originalcynpi.com) I always had an inclining that I wanted to write a book on the subject but there are so many out there that I wanted to be different. This past year, I have been praying to find a topic for a book that I could use to educate people on the paranormal - the good and the bad. The answer came to me that it should be about Religion and how it perceives the paranormal world. My issue is I don't know where to start. Other than angels and demons, I haven't found any mention of ghosts. I am not really sure where to begin looking to find this information. I know that you are truly busy but wondered if you could push me to a starting point as you are a publishing author. PS - Thank you for being who God intended you to be. Your ability to question, allowed me to question and get some answers. Although, I know I have a long way to go before all my questions are answered. Thank you for your consideration. Best regards, Cynthia A. MoriczdeTecso Answer: Dear Cynthia: Yes, I do remember you and your family and I am pleased to her from you once more. You have chosen a complex area to study. It is a legitimate field of inquiry. You do need to be aware that this field attracts lots of people to venture into it, who are on the border of mental stability. this means you need to make clear the boundaries of your study, so as not to be identified with these fringes. Do not waste your time reading on the fringes. The whole subject does not lend itself to verifiable study. There are some resources that can guide you. A generation ago a professor at Duke University, Dr. J.B. Rhine devoted his life to the study of parapsychology and the near death the out of body experiences. If you can find any of his work, it is worth reading. It should be in libraries. A second source is a theologian named John Hick, a citizen of the U.K., now in his nineties, who taught for years at Claremont in California. He did a massive study in this area in a book entitled: "Death and Eternal Life." That book is also probably available in a good library and his bibliography would open many more doors for your study. I hope this will get you started. The closest I came to the subject in my career was in my book Eternal Life: A New Vision -- Beyond Religion, Beyond Theism, Beyond Heaven and Hell. Your topic was not germane to mine in this book, but I did allude to it. I remain a sceptic about its reality, but I am an open sceptic. My regards to you and any members of your family that might remember me. ~John Shelby Spong Announcements Any questions or concerns, please contact us at support(a)johnshelbyspong.com or 503-236-3545. Copyright © 2012 ProgressiveChristianity.org, All rights reserved. You are receiving this email because you have a membership at our website. Our mailing address is: ProgressiveChristianity.org 3530 SE Hawthorne Blvd. Unit 1 Portland, OR 97214 Add us to your address book If you are a paying subscriber, you may login and cancel your account. Sent to elliestock(a)aol.com — why did I get this? unsubscribe from this list | update subscription preferences ProgressiveChristianity.org · 3530 SE Hawthorne Blvd. · Unit 1 · Portland, OR 97214

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Re: [Oe List ...] YEH!!!!
by PSchrijnen＠aol.com 17 Nov '12

17 Nov '12

Here is a little victory dance.... http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120710.html Paul Schrijnen 13 Bloemfontein Avenue London W12 7BJ +44 7973 206 766 skype: paulus.schrijnen In a message dated 07/11/2012 04:59:32 GMT Standard Time, hfgreene(a)mindspring.com writes: _____________________________________________ Herman Greene 2516 Winningham Drive Chapel Hill, NC 27516 919-929-4116 (h) 919-624-0579 (c) 919-942-4358 (f) Skype: hgreene-nc _hfgreene(a)mindspring.com_ (mailto:hfgreene@mindspring.com) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net

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by icatrue＠igc.org 17 Nov '12

17 Nov '12

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Re: [Oe List ...] (no subject)
by Bill Schlesinger 16 Nov '12

16 Nov '12

Should be OK. If it doesn't stop it, then yes. Bill Schlesinger Project Vida 3607 Rivera Avenue El Paso, TX 79905 (915) 533-7057 x 207 (915) 503-1014 FAX pvida(a)whc.net www.projectvidaelpaso.org _____ From: oe-bounces(a)lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Norm and Judy Lindblad Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 4:09 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] (no subject) Thank you Bill! I have changed the password. Do I have to change our e-mail address? Thanks, Judy On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Bill Schlesinger <pvida(a)whc.net> wrote: Change your password. Bill Schlesinger Project Vida 3607 Rivera Avenue El Paso, TX 79905 (915) 533-7057 x 207 <tel:%28915%29%20533-7057%20x%20207> (915) 503-1014 <tel:%28915%29%20503-1014> FAX pvida(a)whc.net www.projectvidaelpaso.org _____ From: oe-bounces(a)lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Janice Ulangca Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 3:28 PM To: Janice Ulangca; Order Ecumenical Community; mikew(a)cityhighschool.org; OE(a)wedgeblade.net; kharris(a)ica-usa.org; James Troxel Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] (no subject) 5:25 p.m. I just talked to Judy. She did NOT send out this message. Neither she nor I knows what to do in case this is hacking. Suggestions, anyone? She'll welcome e-mail advice, or if you think that is unwise, her home phone is 513-771-3383. Thanks, Janice ----- Original Message ----- From: Janice <mailto:aulangca@stny.rr.com> Ulangca To: Order Ecumenical Community <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> ; mikew(a)cityhighschool.org ; OE(a)wedgeblade.net ; kharris(a)ica-usa.org ; James Troxel <mailto:troxel@consultmillennia.com> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] (no subject) WARNING: When I clicked on the link (davidriv, etc.) my internet security system stopped me with a warning that this is a dangerous site. So I DID NOT OPEN IT - and suggest that you be careful. I wonder if Judy and Norm Lindblad's e-mail has been hacked. I'll try to reach Judy by phone. Janice Ulangca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norm and Judy Lindblad" < <mailto:nj.lindblad@gmail.com> nj.lindblad(a)gmail.com> To: < <mailto:gwalter1@tampabay.rr.com> gwalter1(a)tampabay.rr.com>; < <mailto:mikew@cityhighschool.org> mikew(a)cityhighschool.org>; < <mailto:OE@wedgeblade.net> OE(a)wedgeblade.net>; < <mailto:kharris@ica-usa.org> kharris(a)ica-usa.org>; < <mailto:Troxel@consultmillennia.com> Troxel(a)consultmillennia.com> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 1:42 PM Subject: [Oe List ...] (no subject) > <http://davidrivoal.com/wp-content/plugins/akismet/google235.html> http://davidrivoal.com/wp-content/plugins/akismet/google235.html > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > <mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net> OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > <http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net

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Bob Stewart's memorial service
by Ann Shafer 16 Nov '12

16 Nov '12

Will be held Saturday, December 8, 2012 in Loomis, California. G&P Ann Shafer Ann Shafer There can be nothing to frighten you if you refuse to be afraid. (Mahatma Gandhi)

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Re: [Oe List ...] (no subject)
by Bill Schlesinger 16 Nov '12

16 Nov '12

Change your password. Bill Schlesinger Project Vida 3607 Rivera Avenue El Paso, TX 79905 (915) 533-7057 x 207 (915) 503-1014 FAX pvida(a)whc.net www.projectvidaelpaso.org _____ From: oe-bounces(a)lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Janice Ulangca Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 3:28 PM To: Janice Ulangca; Order Ecumenical Community; mikew(a)cityhighschool.org; OE(a)wedgeblade.net; kharris(a)ica-usa.org; James Troxel Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] (no subject) 5:25 p.m. I just talked to Judy. She did NOT send out this message. Neither she nor I knows what to do in case this is hacking. Suggestions, anyone? She'll welcome e-mail advice, or if you think that is unwise, her home phone is 513-771-3383. Thanks, Janice ----- Original Message ----- From: Janice Ulangca <mailto:aulangca@stny.rr.com> To: Order <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Ecumenical Community ; mikew(a)cityhighschool.org ; OE(a)wedgeblade.net ; kharris(a)ica-usa.org ; James Troxel <mailto:troxel@consultmillennia.com> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] (no subject) WARNING: When I clicked on the link (davidriv, etc.) my internet security system stopped me with a warning that this is a dangerous site. So I DID NOT OPEN IT - and suggest that you be careful. I wonder if Judy and Norm Lindblad's e-mail has been hacked. I'll try to reach Judy by phone. Janice Ulangca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norm and Judy Lindblad" < <mailto:nj.lindblad@gmail.com> nj.lindblad(a)gmail.com> To: < <mailto:gwalter1@tampabay.rr.com> gwalter1(a)tampabay.rr.com>; < <mailto:mikew@cityhighschool.org> mikew(a)cityhighschool.org>; < <mailto:OE@wedgeblade.net> OE(a)wedgeblade.net>; < <mailto:kharris@ica-usa.org> kharris(a)ica-usa.org>; < <mailto:Troxel@consultmillennia.com> Troxel(a)consultmillennia.com> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 1:42 PM Subject: [Oe List ...] (no subject) > <http://davidrivoal.com/wp-content/plugins/akismet/google235.html> http://davidrivoal.com/wp-content/plugins/akismet/google235.html > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > <mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net> OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > <http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net

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