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Re: [Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 109, Issue 23
by zbarley＠earthlink.net 29 Apr '21

29 Apr '21

Yes. We lay types began recruiting for courses and the clergy met as a separate group. Ken and I were the connecting link. Did a lot of cooking for courses in those days. Sent using myEarthLink On Wed Apr 28 15:00:50 MDT 2021 James Wiegel wrote: Zoe, you all were part of a cadre in Phoenix? Jim Wiegel “A revolution is on the horizon: a wholesale transformation of the world economy and the way people live.” Fred Krupp > > On Apr 28, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Zoe Barley via OE < > > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > wrote: > > Joe Pierce was also the one who told me if I didn't agree to join the Order - this was spring 1966 - Ken would not have a good option. The parish ministry was not working for us. Our girls were 4 and 2. We had lived on the South side of Chicago when first married and I had then been in perpetual fear for our lives. Now we should take them to the West Side? A very difficult decision. Bit we were there Summer 1966. > > Sent using myEarthLink > > On Wed Apr 28 12:01:26 MDT 2021 Zoe Barley via OE wrote: > Along with the Philbrook patriarch, we sponsored a PLC and an RS1 in Phoenix in 1965-66. Ken had attended a PLC in Chicago in a downtown bank building. I don't know how many sessions it held on a weekly basis. Phil already had attended courses as well. JWM, Slicker and maybe David Scott taught the RS1. Joe Pierce came later to teach for the Phoenix Cadre. We held several courses mostly weeknights. Joe Pierce was my mentor for finding a teaching style that wasn't masculine confronting. > > Ah, those were the days. > > Sent using myEarthLink > > On Wed Apr 28 11:09:49 MDT 2021 James Wiegel via OE wrote: > My first pedagogy was in spring of 1967, in the southwest corner of the gym. I signed up for Bonhoeffer, then stayed awake most of the night trying to convince myself that as a free man, I didn’t have to do it. (Sigh). Bob Fishel was the teacher. About halfway through the seminar he stopped me and asked, “Are you going to let the rest of us participate?” > > Jim Wiegel > > “A revolution is on the horizon: a wholesale transformation of the world economy and the way people live.” Fred Krupp > > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:01 AM, Lawrence Philbrook via OE < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Jean I think it was 1964. I can easily imagine your teaching style challenging everyone it still does :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember the course happening in Tempe Ariz but I was not yet 10 so a little hazy. I didn’t get to take my first RS1 until we were in Chicago later in 64 or 65. Dad taught it to me in our apartment and used a TV show called Laredo instead of Requiem. > > > > I remember my first pedagogy in the academy and someone telling me to stop trying to teach like Phil, I think it was Bob Shropshire but I had a lot of pedagogy sessions over the years with a lot of teachers including Baliley’s, Troxel, even one session in DC with Frank Hilliard. > > > > With love and respect, > > Larry > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 2021, at 8:20 PM, Jean Watts < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jeankwatts(a)icloud.com (mailto:jeankwatts@icloud.com) > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks Jim for videos of Slicker. My response is way too long but of course there had to be discussions of what should remain or replace any part of the final RS-I course. > > > > > > > > Can’t remember actually how or when that which I think was called religious studies became a 44 hour course call RS-I. I was only 21 at the time! It was because I first experienced it in pieces and not necessarily in the sequential order of the final course. I remember how excited Jack was with all of it and how he tried (in my opinion) to copy the way JWM was doing it at SMU. I loved the participatory way we studied the stories or papers but not particularly JWM’s style of doing it. I had studied the bible and the stories of the bible and knew all the parables but it was so much more enjoyable to listen to the personal stories the teachers shared and asked questions so that everyone shared theirs. Then in 1994 (I think JWM (with I think Joe Slicker and maybe Joe Pierce or David McClesky) came to New Orleans to teach the 44 hour RSI course that Jack and I had recruited all our family and friends to attend. I was very disappointed! They had left out quite a lot of material that I had really resonated with especially regarding what GOD, Jesus, the CHRIST, and Holy Spirit were or meant. What seemed to me at the time to be missing was the embracing nature of the Way Life Is regardless of my response to it at the time. And Jesus as the “way, truth, and Life, seemed to be missing or not obviously connected for me. But I liked the All is Good, I am Received, Past is Approved, and the Future is Open. I felt the course completely left out the essence of the Holy Spirit part of the Trinity. And the word “care” did not hold within it the sacred or holy or deeper/ultimate meaning of the word “love” for me because it left out the unconditional part of it. It also seemed to leave out " the Way Life Is" always ultimately is of benefit to human beings, whether of course in the moment, situation, or experience one thinks or feels that it is experiencing something that is not to his or her benefit. > > > > > > > > But after that very first RS-I event a cadre was formed that met weekly I think. The Holcombs, Priest Alerdine, Carlos Zervigon and first wife, the Joe and Joy Thomas, my Mother, Pat Tueke before she married Dan) the Philbrooks,were whom some of you may remember and others who I can’t remember their names now were apart of it. And it was fun to meet and talk about how the Church might be more of a help to those suffering innocently, and be instruments of service to their parishes and ultimately to the whole world. > > > > > > > > Jack and I moved to Chicago when their was then room for us to join the original group in Chicago in 1966. When I got my first assignment to attend Pegagogy I had told Jack who told JWM I would not be coming because I did not want to “teach” it. So JWM came to our apt to escort me at the time it was suppose to start to the class which he was teaching. So I went! And I was terrible at carrying out my assigned parts of the course. My stories were so “different” than those the others used etc. etc. etc. and I felt uncomfortable and unable to “copy the masculine pedagogy style” that I saw the other women willing and able to do at the time. I remember how skillfully encouraging and lovingly JWM responded to my performances as a pedagogue, but many of the others were quite critical. Someone told me later how I had completely changed to “right order” of the 4 by 4 lecture in the manual. I had gone down each column rather than across it. No wonder my “stories were so different! > > > > Jean > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OE mailing list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > > > > > OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > >

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burger wars
by W. J. 29 Apr '21

29 Apr '21

I need to confess that, much as I hate to admit it, sometimes I just can't resist the taste of a juicy, greasy hamburger.Problem is, my house in Maggie Valley has about 20+ cows in the back yard, just beyond the barb wire.They just love it when I feed 'em apples--locally grown, of course.So when I sneak out to get one of those perfectly prepared medium rare cheeseburgers with ripe avocado and tomato slices and grilled onions and chopped lettuce and special sauce, with pickles and sweet potato fries on the side, I have to be real sneaky about it, or they will just stare right at me like they already know where I'm heading.Then when I return, inevitably licking my lips, I have to apologize to them. They hope I didn't eat any of their relatives.Every year there's a bunch of little black angus bulls running around (literally) and chasing one another and having a blast. They don't have a clue that they will be hamburger, plus expensive cuts of steak. All they know is that they love being grass-fed.So what to do?I've tried fake burgers. That would be Ozo burgers or Impossible burgers.They're very expensive. But you can close your eyes and pretend you're tasting the real thing.Even though you know you're not.Years ago I gave up eating steaks. Now steak eating seems outrageous and ridiculous to me.Not to mention environmentally wasteful.But I can't seem to totally renounce my sense of bourgeois carnivore privilege. Especially when I can easily afford a great burger. Occasionally.Marshall

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origins of RS-1
by W. J. 28 Apr '21

28 Apr '21

Forgive me for winging it, but I haven't had time to dig out all of the source archives.RS-1, as a 44-hour weekend construct, evolved from the Religious Studies curriculum at the Christian Faith & Life Community in Austin. For the best info on this evolution, consult Lingo or Sarah Buss or others from that era.I was never there, but I have seen the curriculum. (And from 1958 on I scarfed up the Letter to Laymen!)As I recall, there was an 8-week course in the Laos House, taught one evening per week (Thursdays) on the Twentieth Century Theological Revolution.What became RS-1 was divided into: CS-1A: the Meaning of Human Existence or the Problem of Faith:An examination of the form in which the question of faith is raised in the modern age and the various ways in which 20th century man is present to his existence.andCS-1B: The Modes of Human Existence or the Christian Life as Faith/UnfaithA study of the various ways in which man in the modern world is present to his existence in relation to nature and history. Kierkegaard, Bonhoeffer, and Camus will be the authors considered. There was a lecture followed by a seminar the following week. I think!For example, the Question of G-O-D lecture followed by the Bultmann seminar.The Christ Event lecture was followed by the Tillich seminar.There was a Christ Story lecture, followed by a seminar on John Knox's 'The Event and the Story.'These two lectures got collapsed into one for the RS-1 weekend, and the Knox paper was a handout.There was also a lecture on Unfaith, followed by a seminar on S.K.'s 'Sickness Unto Death'.These got dropped for the RS-1 weekend to permit adding the movie and conversation on Saturday night.The S.K. paper became a handout. So I could imagine that Tillich vs. Knox might have been discussed at some point. Or not!I wasn't there.But Knox, BTW, was my professor @ UTS back in the Dark Ages. Marshall CS-1A&B @ CFLC was 'Community Studies', not 'Cultural Studies'.

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Fwd: Tillich and . . .
by Jean Watts 28 Apr '21

28 Apr '21

> > Susan, > It was a typo. It was 1964. > Jean > >> On Apr 28, 2021, at 11:49 AM, Susan Fertig <sfertig(a)blueskytech.us <mailto:sfertig@blueskytech.us>> wrote: >> >> Jean, did you possibly mean 1974??? (instead of 1994) >> >> Your story resonated with me; I don’t (having not heard them) know how your treatment of the 4 x 4 would have! >> >> Susan >> >> Susan Fertig-Dykes >> >> And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought . Isaiah 58:11 >> >> From: OE <oe-bounces(a)lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net>> On Behalf Of Jean Watts via OE >> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 11:21 PM >> To: Jim Wiegel <jfwiegel(a)yahoo.com <mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com>>; Order Ecumenical Community <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> >> Cc: Jean Watts <jeankwatts(a)icloud.com <mailto:jeankwatts@icloud.com>> >> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Tillich and . . . >> >> Thanks Jim for videos of Slicker. My response is way too long but of course there had to be discussions of what should remain or replace any part of the final RS-I course. >> >> Can’t remember actually how or when that which I think was called religious studies became a 44 hour course call RS-I. I was only 21 at the time! It was because I first experienced it in pieces and not necessarily in the sequential order of the final course. I remember how excited Jack was with all of it and how he tried (in my opinion) to copy the way JWM was doing it at SMU. I loved the participatory way we studied the stories or papers but not particularly JWM’s style of doing it. I had studied the bible and the stories of the bible and knew all the parables but it was so much more enjoyable to listen to the personal stories the teachers shared and asked questions so that everyone shared theirs. Then in 1994 (I think JWM (with I think Joe Slicker and maybe Joe Pierce or David McClesky) came to New Orleans to teach the 44 hour RSI course that Jack and I had recruited all our family and friends to attend. I was very disappointed! They had left out quite a lot of material that I had really resonated with especially regarding what GOD, Jesus, the CHRIST, and Holy Spirit were or meant. What seemed to me at the time to be missing was the embracing nature of the Way Life Is regardless of my response to it at the time. And Jesus as the “way, truth, and Life, seemed to be missing or not obviously connected for me. But I liked the All is Good, I am Received, Past is Approved, and the Future is Open. I felt the course completely left out the essence of the Holy Spirit part of the Trinity. And the word “care” did not hold within it the sacred or holy or deeper/ultimate meaning of the word “love” for me because it left out the unconditional part of it. It also seemed to leave out " the Way Life Is" always ultimately is of benefit to human beings, whether of course in the moment, situation, or experience one thinks or feels that it is experiencing something that is not to his or her benefit. >> >> But after that very first RS-I event a cadre was formed that met weekly I think. The Holcombs, Priest Alerdine, Carlos Zervigon and first wife, the Joe and Joy Thomas, my Mother, Pat Tueke before she married Dan) the Philbrooks,were whom some of you may remember and others who I can’t remember their names now were apart of it. And it was fun to meet and talk about how the Church might be more of a help to those suffering innocently, and be instruments of service to their parishes and ultimately to the whole world. >> >> Jack and I moved to Chicago when their was then room for us to join the original group in Chicago in 1966. When I got my first assignment to attend Pegagogy I had told Jack who told JWM I would not be coming because I did not want to “teach” it. So JWM came to our apt to escort me at the time it was suppose to start to the class which he was teaching. So I went! And I was terrible at carrying out my assigned parts of the course. My stories were so “different” than those the others used etc. etc. etc. and I felt uncomfortable and unable to “copy the masculine pedagogy style” that I saw the other women willing and able to do at the time. I remember how skillfully encouraging and lovingly JWM responded to my performances as a pedagogue, but many of the others were quite critical. Someone told me later how I had completely changed to “right order” of the 4 by 4 lecture in the manual. I had gone down each column rather than across it. No wonder my “stories were so different! >> Jean >> >> >> On Apr 27, 2021, at 9:08 AM, James Wiegel via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: >> >> It would be great and instructive to detail a t the wider history of the RS-1 course. Apparently the 44 hours did not fall complete from heaven. I took the course in November 25-27, 1966 and returned for RS-1 Pedagogy sometime in the spring of 1967. By that time, there was a manual and the course was an amazingly crafted event. Mary Laura Jones once described her earlier experience of "RS-1" as a weekend at a camp with Joe Mathews talking. Here is Joe Slicker with 2 remembrances from the 1950's . . . >> >> 20 A Seminar at the Church Across the Street <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnwI_z5GWh0&list=PLUk2c_1SJ0s_SYiUeyuTyzZZ8…> >> >> >> 20 A Seminar at the Church Across the Street >> >> >> >> 23 Joe Slicker My Masters Degree was RS 1 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-ly55WhjSk&list=PLUk2c_1SJ0s82ALQvVkg5VLcD…> >> >> >> 23 Joe Slicker My Masters Degree was RS 1 >> >> And another remembrance from Lois Boyd, a trip from Norman. Oklahoma to Austin, Texas one weekend -- undated. >> Strane Forty-Four Hours <https://wedgeblade.net/gold_path/data/hisj/10001103.htm> >> >> Strane Forty-Four Hours >> >> Then back to Joe Slicker -- >> 48 Joe Slicker We Saw the Rise in RS 1's Go Over the Hill <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfUS8VPpKn4&list=PLUk2c_1SJ0s_SYiUeyuTyzZZ8…> >> >> >> 48 Joe Slicker We Saw the Rise in RS 1's Go Over the Hill >> >> Jean Watts has experience going back to the Christian Faith and Life Community and might have something to add. >> >> Jim Wiegel <http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=123> >> >> The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon >> >> >> 401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353 >> 623-363-3277 >> jfwiegel(a)yahoo.com <mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> >> www.partnersinparticipation.com <http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/> >> >> >> On Monday, April 26, 2021, 09:32:15 PM MST, Len Hockley via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> I was there with Gordon in summer 1966. I have no memory of such a heresy!! Please tell me more. >> Len >> >> >> >> >> On 4/26/2021 4:35 PM, Laura Grover via OE wrote: >> Dear Friends, >> >> I was browsing around in the Archives Spirit Movement collection this morning and came across a video/audio clip of Gordon Harper talking about some of his memories of the earlier days of his involvement in the Spirit Movement. >> >> His comments about a meeting in Detroit the summer of 1966 caught my attention. Evidently the group was discussing whether or not to use the Tillich paper in RS-1. Can you even imagine NOT having the Tillich paper in RS-1? Not going out of the church and playing the Tillich game? >> >> So, do any of you know anything about this discussion? What was the issue with the Tillich paper that was causing concern? >> >> And, if not the Tillich paper, what other paper was being discussed as an alternative? >> >> Thanks for any input you may have. >> >> Laura Grover >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OE mailing list >> OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net> >> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net <http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OE mailing list >> OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net> >> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net <http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net> >> _______________________________________________ >> OE mailing list >> OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net> >> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net <http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net>

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Re: [Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 109, Issue 23
by zbarley＠earthlink.net 28 Apr '21

28 Apr '21

Along with the Philbrook patriarch, we sponsored a PLC and an RS1 in Phoenix in 1965-66. Ken had attended a PLC in Chicago in a downtown bank building. I don't know how many sessions it held on a weekly basis. Phil already had attended courses as well. JWM, Slicker and maybe David Scott taught the RS1. Joe Pierce came later to teach for the Phoenix Cadre. We held several courses mostly weeknights. Joe Pierce was my mentor for finding a teaching style that wasn't masculine confronting. Ah, those were the days. Sent using myEarthLink On Wed Apr 28 11:09:49 MDT 2021 James Wiegel via OE wrote: My first pedagogy was in spring of 1967, in the southwest corner of the gym. I signed up for Bonhoeffer, then stayed awake most of the night trying to convince myself that as a free man, I didn’t have to do it. (Sigh). Bob Fishel was the teacher. About halfway through the seminar he stopped me and asked, “Are you going to let the rest of us participate?” Jim Wiegel “A revolution is on the horizon: a wholesale transformation of the world economy and the way people live.” Fred Krupp > > On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:01 AM, Lawrence Philbrook via OE < > > > oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > wrote: > > > > Jean I think it was 1964. I can easily imagine your teaching style challenging everyone it still does :-) > > > > > > > I remember the course happening in Tempe Ariz but I was not yet 10 so a little hazy. I didn’t get to take my first RS1 until we were in Chicago later in 64 or 65. Dad taught it to me in our apartment and used a TV show called Laredo instead of Requiem. > > I remember my first pedagogy in the academy and someone telling me to stop trying to teach like Phil, I think it was Bob Shropshire but I had a lot of pedagogy sessions over the years with a lot of teachers including Baliley’s, Troxel, even one session in DC with Frank Hilliard. > > With love and respect, > Larry > > > > > On Apr 27, 2021, at 8:20 PM, Jean Watts < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jeankwatts(a)icloud.com (mailto:jeankwatts@icloud.com) > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Jim for videos of Slicker. My response is way too long but of course there had to be discussions of what should remain or replace any part of the final RS-I course. > > > > > > Can’t remember actually how or when that which I think was called religious studies became a 44 hour course call RS-I. I was only 21 at the time! It was because I first experienced it in pieces and not necessarily in the sequential order of the final course. I remember how excited Jack was with all of it and how he tried (in my opinion) to copy the way JWM was doing it at SMU. I loved the participatory way we studied the stories or papers but not particularly JWM’s style of doing it. I had studied the bible and the stories of the bible and knew all the parables but it was so much more enjoyable to listen to the personal stories the teachers shared and asked questions so that everyone shared theirs. Then in 1994 (I think JWM (with I think Joe Slicker and maybe Joe Pierce or David McClesky) came to New Orleans to teach the 44 hour RSI course that Jack and I had recruited all our family and friends to attend. I was very disappointed! They had left out quite a lot of material that I had really resonated with especially regarding what GOD, Jesus, the CHRIST, and Holy Spirit were or meant. What seemed to me at the time to be missing was the embracing nature of the Way Life Is regardless of my response to it at the time. And Jesus as the “way, truth, and Life, seemed to be missing or not obviously connected for me. But I liked the All is Good, I am Received, Past is Approved, and the Future is Open. I felt the course completely left out the essence of the Holy Spirit part of the Trinity. And the word “care” did not hold within it the sacred or holy or deeper/ultimate meaning of the word “love” for me because it left out the unconditional part of it. It also seemed to leave out " the Way Life Is" always ultimately is of benefit to human beings, whether of course in the moment, situation, or experience one thinks or feels that it is experiencing something that is not to his or her benefit. > > > > > > But after that very first RS-I event a cadre was formed that met weekly I think. The Holcombs, Priest Alerdine, Carlos Zervigon and first wife, the Joe and Joy Thomas, my Mother, Pat Tueke before she married Dan) the Philbrooks,were whom some of you may remember and others who I can’t remember their names now were apart of it. And it was fun to meet and talk about how the Church might be more of a help to those suffering innocently, and be instruments of service to their parishes and ultimately to the whole world. > > > > > > Jack and I moved to Chicago when their was then room for us to join the original group in Chicago in 1966. When I got my first assignment to attend Pegagogy I had told Jack who told JWM I would not be coming because I did not want to “teach” it. So JWM came to our apt to escort me at the time it was suppose to start to the class which he was teaching. So I went! And I was terrible at carrying out my assigned parts of the course. My stories were so “different” than those the others used etc. etc. etc. and I felt uncomfortable and unable to “copy the masculine pedagogy style” that I saw the other women willing and able to do at the time. I remember how skillfully encouraging and lovingly JWM responded to my performances as a pedagogue, but many of the others were quite critical. Someone told me later how I had completely changed to “right order” of the 4 by 4 lecture in the manual. I had gone down each column rather than across it. No wonder my “stories were so different! > > > Jean > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > > > > > OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net (mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net) > > > > > > > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > >

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Re: [Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 109, Issue 23
by Lawrence Philbrook 28 Apr '21

28 Apr '21

> Jean I think it was 1964. I can easily imagine your teaching style challenging everyone it still does :-) I remember the course happening in Tempe Ariz but I was not yet 10 so a little hazy. I didn’t get to take my first RS1 until we were in Chicago later in 64 or 65. Dad taught it to me in our apartment and used a TV show called Laredo instead of Requiem. I remember my first pedagogy in the academy and someone telling me to stop trying to teach like Phil, I think it was Bob Shropshire but I had a lot of pedagogy sessions over the years with a lot of teachers including Baliley’s, Troxel, even one session in DC with Frank Hilliard. With love and respect, Larry >> On Apr 27, 2021, at 8:20 PM, Jean Watts <jeankwatts(a)icloud.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks Jim for videos of Slicker. My response is way too long but of course there had to be discussions of what should remain or replace any part of the final RS-I course. >> >> Can’t remember actually how or when that which I think was called religious studies became a 44 hour course call RS-I. I was only 21 at the time! It was because I first experienced it in pieces and not necessarily in the sequential order of the final course. I remember how excited Jack was with all of it and how he tried (in my opinion) to copy the way JWM was doing it at SMU. I loved the participatory way we studied the stories or papers but not particularly JWM’s style of doing it. I had studied the bible and the stories of the bible and knew all the parables but it was so much more enjoyable to listen to the personal stories the teachers shared and asked questions so that everyone shared theirs. Then in 1994 (I think JWM (with I think Joe Slicker and maybe Joe Pierce or David McClesky) came to New Orleans to teach the 44 hour RSI course that Jack and I had recruited all our family and friends to attend. I was very disappointed! They had left out quite a lot of material that I had really resonated with especially regarding what GOD, Jesus, the CHRIST, and Holy Spirit were or meant. What seemed to me at the time to be missing was the embracing nature of the Way Life Is regardless of my response to it at the time. And Jesus as the “way, truth, and Life, seemed to be missing or not obviously connected for me. But I liked the All is Good, I am Received, Past is Approved, and the Future is Open. I felt the course completely left out the essence of the Holy Spirit part of the Trinity. And the word “care” did not hold within it the sacred or holy or deeper/ultimate meaning of the word “love” for me because it left out the unconditional part of it. It also seemed to leave out " the Way Life Is" always ultimately is of benefit to human beings, whether of course in the moment, situation, or experience one thinks or feels that it is experiencing something that is not to his or her benefit. >> >> But after that very first RS-I event a cadre was formed that met weekly I think. The Holcombs, Priest Alerdine, Carlos Zervigon and first wife, the Joe and Joy Thomas, my Mother, Pat Tueke before she married Dan) the Philbrooks,were whom some of you may remember and others who I can’t remember their names now were apart of it. And it was fun to meet and talk about how the Church might be more of a help to those suffering innocently, and be instruments of service to their parishes and ultimately to the whole world. >> >> Jack and I moved to Chicago when their was then room for us to join the original group in Chicago in 1966. When I got my first assignment to attend Pegagogy I had told Jack who told JWM I would not be coming because I did not want to “teach” it. So JWM came to our apt to escort me at the time it was suppose to start to the class which he was teaching. So I went! And I was terrible at carrying out my assigned parts of the course. My stories were so “different” than those the others used etc. etc. etc. and I felt uncomfortable and unable to “copy the masculine pedagogy style” that I saw the other women willing and able to do at the time. I remember how skillfully encouraging and lovingly JWM responded to my performances as a pedagogue, but many of the others were quite critical. Someone told me later how I had completely changed to “right order” of the 4 by 4 lecture in the manual. I had gone down each column rather than across it. No wonder my “stories were so different! >> Jean >>

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Global Buzz reminder
by ICA International 28 Apr '21

28 Apr '21

Reminder for entries This reminder is for the Global Buzz that will be published May 5th. 2021 (Please send your entries at least a day or more ahead) Please send all your entries by regular e-mail to: inform(a)ica-international.org with your entry as an attatchment. Send details of news items, training programmes, your peer to peer connections with other ICAs, any concerns you may have and of any events that are coming up at your location. Your report can be long or short, but remember that all other ICAs would really like to know about the things that matter where you are, and what you are doing as an ICA. Peter, for ICAI Communications Pour les entrées de rappel Ce rappel est à la Global Buzz qui sera publié le 5 Mai 2021 (S'il vous plaît envoyez vos entrées au moins un jour à l'avance) Veuillez envoyer toutes vos entrées maintenant par courriel ordinaire à : inform(a)ica-international.org avec votre entrée comme un attatchment. Envoyer les détails des articles de nouvelles, des programmes de formation, vos connexions peer to peer avec d'autres CIAS, de toute préoccupation que vous pourriez avoir et de tous les événements qui sont à venir à votre emplacement. Votre rapport peut être longue ou courte, mais rappelez-vous que toutes les autres CIAS aimerait vraiment savoir à propos de choses qui importe où vous êtes et ce que vous faites comme une ICA. Recordatorio de las entradas Este aviso es para el Global Buzz que se publicarán 5 Mayo 2021 (Favor de enviar sus entradas al menos con un día de antelación) Por favor envíe todos sus entradas ahora por correo electrónico a: inform(a)ica-international.org con su entrada como un archivo adjunto. Enviar detalles de noticias, programas de capacitación, el peer to peer las conexiones con otros convenios o acuerdos internacionales, las preocupaciones que usted pueda tener y de los eventos que se aproximan en su ubicación. El informe puede ser a corto o largo, pero hay que recordar que todos los demás convenios quisiera saber realmente sobre lo que realmente importa, y lo que están haciendo una ICA.

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"stoking fear and misinformation"
by W. J. 28 Apr '21

28 Apr '21

Dr. Ryan Cole (whose video before Idaho lawmakers was posted by David Yost) has been accused of stoking "fear and misinformation." Not by me but by his medical colleagues. And reported on by our trusty local TV news. In Idaho, no less.Plus factcheck.com has a more substantive article refuting Dr. Cole's claims, as Tim reported.So this post is just a footnote that I hope stays within the bounds delineated by our trusty moderator who has declared the subject of "vaccine efficacy" off-topic. That's my intent, even if I'm skating on the edge.I did watch the Cole video. Carefully. And what I'd add to what you can read elsewhere about the medical facts is simply this: Dr. Cole was visibly and audibly angry. At somebody and/or about something.So I would invite you to take into account this BIG CLUE:He seems to be both reflecting and stoking fear of the coronavirus and distrust of the federal government's response. And since he's a professional communicator of medical facts, he can't be unaware that he's intentionally spreading disinformation.My conclusion: we should all be aware of the emotional context of this type of interpersonal communication. And raise the question of why Dr. Cole needs to say these things. And why people need to believe what he says, based on his medical credentials. Or at least to be receptive to his distorted messages by turning off their built-in filter of skepticism about his unsubstantiated medical claims.Why any former Order member would be susceptible to a loss of his or her rational/scientific perception of the universe is frankly beyond my ability to offer an explanation. Unless it is that our capacity for rational analysis is being overwhelmed by fear, uncertainty, and distrust.Which can add up to a need to construct or adopt an alternative theory to fit our subjective perception of reality.And that's how conspiracy theories get to grow in fertile soil.Awareness and discussion of the process of how intentional disinformation is infecting the body politic can't be irrelevant or "off-topic." IMHO.So I would not encourage any type of censorship of what can be said here.Censorship didn't work too well for guys like Martin Luther 500 years ago. Even after the pope brought the hammer down on Luther's head.So I would encourage us all to be both bold and careful in our reporting. We can get sloppy when we throw together or repeat a toxic mix of facts, fear, and biased opinion that ignores or distorts facts.For me being accountable means living our lives before the gaze of our neighbor, who hopefully does not share our blind spots and will probably call us on them. Even if it has to happen by email.Marshall St. Luke's chief medical officer fact checks a doctor's anti-vax claims Links in the message (2) | | | Idaho Doctor Makes Baseless Claims Abou... | | | | St. Luke's chief medical officer fact c... |

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Adventures of Joe Biden
by Linda and Milan Hamilton 25 Apr '21

25 Apr '21

After the verdict in Minneapolis I wrote another: Adventures of Joe Biden 7 Joe Biden spoke again today He did his duty in the usual way But will we change anything at all? Will Americans step up? Will we stand tall? The forces opposing systemic Re-volution Already are mounting their voices for E-volution All of us together will now be required To do our part and avoid distraction By endless delays and putting off action Joe Biden said what he needed to say It’s now up to us to show the way. Milan Hamilton April 17, 2021 Sent from my iPad

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Re: [Oe List ...] Adventures of Joe Biden
by zbarley＠earthlink.net 24 Apr '21

24 Apr '21

Has the lovely lilt of Amanda Gorman. Will you add the motions? 😆 Sent using myEarthLink On Fri Apr 23 23:54:13 MDT 2021 Linda and Milan Hamilton via OE wrote: After the verdict in Minneapolis I wrote another: Adventures of Joe Biden 7 Joe Biden spoke again today He did his duty in the usual way But will we change anything at all? Will Americans step up? Will we stand tall? The forces opposing systemic Re-volution Already are mounting their voices for E-volution All of us together will now be required To do our part and avoid distraction By endless delays and putting off action Joe Biden said what he needed to say It’s now up to us to show the way. Milan Hamilton April 17, 2021 Sent from my iPad

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