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Fwd: James Bell (His Happiness)
by facilitationfla＠aol.com 11 Sep '12

11 Sep '12

Forwared by Cynthia Vance -----Original Message----- From: Ackroeger <Ackroeger(a)aol.com> To: FacilitationFla <FacilitationFla(a)aol.com> Cc: JimBell <JimBell(a)XMission.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 30, 2012 8:56 am Subject: James Bell (His Happiness) Bob and Cynthia: I just received word from Jim Ed Bell that his dad, Jim Bell, died last night. He will be sending me information on arrangements, but in the meantime I know you keep up with the OE/ICA dialogue group and ask that you notify that list serv, please. Jim Ed said I could pass on his contact information. He and his family are on route to Texas. Thank you. James and Xiomara Bell 4605 South 600 East Murray UT 84107 801-685-6145 email: JimBell(a)XMission.com Amelia Kroeger 952-476-6126

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My 8/30/12, Spong: Fourth Great Mentor: Edwin Anderson Penick VI, Bishop of North Carolina
by Ellie Stock 30 Aug '12

30 Aug '12

HOMEPAGE MY PROFILE ESSAY ARCHIVE MESSAGE BOARDS CALENDAR My Fourth Great Mentor: Edwin Anderson Penick VI, Bishop of North Carolina All of us are mentored in life by other people. Sometime this mentoring is done by example, sometimes by words. An essential aspect of maturity is to recognize those from whom we have learned, so from time to time in this column I pay tribute to my mentors. The catalyst for this column today came from a letter from a retired priest named Charles I. Penick, the youngest and the only surviving child of the man who was my fourth great mentor. It is difficult for reality to be seen through the eyes of a child. A child’s world is so local and so circumscribed that the tendency is to universalize one’s childish perceptions. Lives that intersected my childhood were perceived in heroic proportions. Authority figures were beyond criticism and influences were powerful. All of that needs to be understood and embraced in order for me to tell you this man’s story. His name was Edwin Anderson Penick. Few people will recognize that name today. The memory of great lives is fleeting and this man died in 1959, more than fifty years ago. He was, however, the first bishop I ever knew and he shaped forever my image of what it means to be a bishop. I remember him vividly. Once I found a home at age eleven in St. Peter’s Episcopal Church in downtown Charlotte, N.C., first as a soprano in the boys’ choir, later as an acolyte or altar boy and finally as a youth leader, I tended to deal with the insecurities of my youth in a bifurcated manner. My father had died when I was twelve. My mother, who did not finish the ninth grade in her formal education, was thus a widow at age 36 with three children, no money and few marketable skills. To put it bluntly we were poor, dealing with bill collectors, fighting off the utility companies who threatened to cut off our telephone, our electricity, our water and our heat. Poverty showed itself in the food we ate, the clothes we wore, the car we drove and in our inability to do anything beyond what might be called the basics. So school for me was a difficult experience. I was one with little or no social status among my peers. I participated in no extra-curricular activities. Even my grades, which had been good until about age 14, began to plummet. I took on the attributes of the few friends I had, most of whom would be categorized as losers. We were expected to do poorly academically and we lived up to that expectation. In my church, however, I had a very different experience. I had success as a boy chorister, even doing an occasional solo. I became an acolyte and then the senior acolyte. Next I was elected president of the church youth group. My rector, Robert Crandall, about whom I have written previously in this series, had become, without his knowing it, my surrogate father and my ultimate hero. In talking with him, however, another figure loomed large on his horizon. He referred to this person simply as “the bishop.” Once a year, “the bishop” visited our church for confirmation. The mood of expectation, the degree of preparation all bore witness to an aura of importance that gathered around him. He lived in Raleigh, a city that in my experience was a very long distance away. He was well known in my church for he had been rector of this church when he was elected bishop in North Carolina in 1922 at the ripe old age of 35. He was a man of keen intellect, immense dignity and powerful oratorical skills. He was widely respected across the state. I knew nothing else about him except that he was regarded as very important. My rector clearly treated him with respect and deference. As I grew up I tended to spend most of my available time in the church, an environment that enhanced my life, rather than in school, an environment that diminished my life. This meant that the bishop, not the principal, was the authority whose recognition I most coveted. My youth group activities led me into diocesan-wide responsibility. In the summer I turned 16 I was elected treasurer of the diocesan youth group known as the Young People’s Service League or the YPSL. In that capacity, I attended some diocesan gatherings at which Bishop Penick was always the acknowledged leader, so I came, vaguely, to his attention. A child of our diocese, William Jones Gordon, Jr., the son of the rector of a small church in Spray, North Carolina, had been elected by the House of Bishops, at the unusual age of 29 to the missionary position of bishop of Alaska. Just a few years earlier Bill Gordon had been the president of the diocesan YPSL and so our young people felt justifiable pride in the success of “one of our own”. Various organizations of the diocese decided to equip him for his work in the far north. The young people agreed to raise the $500.00 required to purchase his “Bishop’s Ring.” As the YPSL treasurer, I was put in charge of the fund raising campaign. Almost every youth group in the diocese joined in and the goal, which to us seemed enormous, was reached with great fanfare. I sent a letter with the check for $500.00 to Bishop Penick to pay for the ring that was to be presented to the new bishop when he was consecrated in Raleigh that spring. In response to that letter, I got a surprise telephone call from the bishop. In those days, long distance telephone calls were operator-assisted and used only in the gravest of emergencies or the most ecstatic of good news. I don’t think I had ever received a long distance call before. Even my mother was startled when the phone rang and the operator said, “I have a phone call for Jack Spong from Bishop Penick in Raleigh. Is he there?” My mother handed me the phone. “Jack,” I heard, “this is Bishop Penick. I want to congratulate you on the success of your campaign to raise the money for Bishop Gordon’s ring. I want to invite you to come to Raleigh on the day of his consecration and present it to him at that service on behalf of the young people of the diocese.” In my world at that time, that was like getting a call from the president of the United States inviting me to come by for dinner. Of course, I went. I’m sure my church helped me with the travel expenses and I stayed at the home of a friend I had known through youth work. If I had not been one before, that service made a church romantic out of me. There were some 25 bishops there. I assumed all of them were as important as Bishop Penick. Well over a hundred clergy were vested for that service. All of the pomp and ceremony the church could muster was present and, above all else for me, Bishop Penick clearly knew who I was. The next year I became president of the YPSL of the diocese. I was told more than once that this office had launched “Bill” Gordon on his trajectory toward the office of bishop. I reveled in that association, but at this time in my life I had no ambition higher than that of becoming a priest. I did not even know how bishops were chosen. Three years later while I was a junior at the University of North Carolina and at the end of a long process, Bishop Penick made me first a postulant and then a candidate for Holy Orders. This meant that I was required to write to him four times a year at “the Ember Days” to report on my progress toward ordination. He always responded. When I finished my seminary training in 1955 Bishop Penick ordained me to the priesthood in my first charge, St. Joseph’s Church in Durham, N.C. I then took my place among the clergy of that diocese. I was young and immature but full of confidence. Bishop Penick appointed me to various responsibilities in the diocese, including membership on a committee to evaluate and to report to the diocesan convention on “The State of the Diocese.” I was the junior clergyman on this committee, chaired by one of the senior priests. That priest, however, moved out of the diocese during that year and Bishop Penick declined to appoint a replacement, and so that responsibility now devolved to me. I accepted and only three years out of seminary proceeded to present a far-ranging report that resulted in the closing of a “black” hospital run by my church in Charlotte, thereby forcing the publicly-supported medical facilities of the city to accommodate black patients. This committee also called for the diocese to re-think both the purpose and the role of a long-revered Episcopal orphanage also in Charlotte that was lost somewhere in the 19th century. Later it too closed. I am still amazed that this bishop had that level of confidence in one well short of his 30th birthday. I watched this man for years, mostly from afar. He was always prepared. His administrative skills were awesome. His entire staff consisted of a single part-time secretary. He was such an impressive master of the pulpit that when he visited Episcopal Churches in small towns across the diocese, other churches would suspend their services so their congregations could listen to “the bishop” preach. He was an old school “prince bishop.” He filled the office with dignity and grace, but he was the unchallenged authority. He was, however, as all of us are, a child of his time. When the desegregation decision of the Supreme Court came down in 1954, he met it with a positive – it would have been called in the South “a liberal response.” Today, it would be viewed quite differently. He called for “gradualism,” which meant that white sensitivities were to be placed ahead of black justice. The Episcopal Church of North Carolina and the diocesan camp remained deeply segregated. Separate, but equal was the justifying myth. No one doubted Bishop Penick’s integrity, however, and he filled his office with a bigger than life fullness. The church required its bishops to retire at age 72. Bishop Penick approached that day with dread. He announced that he would retire at midnight on the date of his 72nd birthday. I do not think he knew who he was outside that office. Shortly before his 72nd birthday, he had a stroke from which he never regained consciousness. Those who knew him well did not grieve for they understood that some people are not emotionally equipped to retire. Those who loved and admired him were content to remember him for the great leader he was. People like me have incorporated some of the virtues of Edwin Anderson Penick into ourselves and he continues his life through those of us who regarded ourselves as his sons. To this day, I am deeply in his debt. ~John Shelby Spong Read the essay online here. Question & Answer James van Koolbergen, CFC, from Tampa, Florida, writes: Question: I have been reading your online essays with great benefit and eye-opening insights since early 2009. I also recently finished reading Liberating the Gospels: Reading the Bible with Jewish Eyes and have found your perspective, initiated by the work of Michael Goulder, on the structuring of the synoptic gospels as lectionary material for the Jewish/Christian liturgical years very persuasive. It seems to me that this explanation of the writing of the synoptics would have significant consequences in the Christian churches for the understanding of these gospels, for preaching about them, and for education in these scriptures in parishes, colleges and seminaries. Several questions about the follow-up to Liberating the Gospels have occurred to me. It has been fifteen years now since your book was published, what impact has this book had on the study of the synoptic gospels? Has this thesis been pursued by any other scripture scholars in their writing or lecturing? Has this thesis become a discussion point in the curriculum of scripture studies in any seminary or college or of any textbook for scripture study? Have there been any ventures in these directions? Or am I living in a dream world? Answer: Dear James, You are not living in a dream world, but you do not understand how complex the field of biblical studies is. At fundamentalist seminaries, this thesis would not even be known and, if it were, would be resisted vehemently. The mainline denominational schools are not much different. In the Jesus Seminar, made up primarily of scripture scholars, who are teaching in university departments of religion, the debate is far reaching and wide. When I wrote that book, I was reflecting, as you have noted in your letter, on theories developed by one of my great teachers, Michael Goulder of the University of Birmingham in the UK. I have lectured at Harvard Divinity School, the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley, Drew Theological School, the University of Ghent in Belgium and a variety of clergy conferences around the western world on the thesis of this book and have always had a good reception. Does that mean that I succeeded in converting them all to my point of view? No, that has not happened, but the debate is on and the future, not me, will determine which ideas gain traction and which do not. In another field of astrophysics, the idea that we now call Quantum Physics was introduced by Niels Bohr. This theory challenged the conclusions of Albert Einstein who resisted them vigorously. Bohr and Einstein are both dead today, but Bohr has prevailed and now physics assumes the quantum theory. A century from now, we might be able to determine an answer to your question. I am content to let history make that determination. I am still convinced! My best, ~John Shelby Spong Announcements Any questions or concerns, please contact us at support(a)johnshelbyspong.com or 503-236-3545. Copyright © 2012 ProgressiveChristianity.org, All rights reserved. You are receiving this email because you have a membership at our website. Our mailing address is: ProgressiveChristianity.org 4916 Pt Fosdick Dr, NW #148 Gig Harbor, WA 98335 Add us to your address book

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A Mini-Library for a 21st Century Spirit Movement
by Ken Fisher 29 Aug '12

29 Aug '12

As a part of our 50th anniversary celebration: A Mini-Library for a 21st Century Spirit Movement Dear Old Colleagues and New Acquaintances, I want you to have and reflect upon the following reviews of some of the visionary writing that expresses our common experience. My hope is that this overview can generate additional commonality and consensus building among us. For a viable and flourishing humanity on planet Earth and a vital resurgence of Christian practice, Gene Marshall

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Virtual Program on Peace Building in the Middle East - Turkey and Iraq August 30 - 6:00 am PT/ 7:00 am MT/ 8:00 am CT/ 9:00 am ET USA Time
by George Holcombe 29 Aug '12

29 Aug '12

I (George) am forwarding this for Wanda. REMINDER.... August 30 - 6:00 am PT/ 7:00 am MT/ 8:00 am CT/ 9:00 am ET USA Time Join the Peace and Governance Theme of the ICA Global Conference on Human Development for our first virtual presentation Special Program on Peace Building in the Middle East - Turkey and Iraq The First presenter will be my longtime colleague Christina Bache Fidan. Christina will lead a dialogue on the volatile dynamics in the Middle East, focused on Turkey's internal challenges and its relationship with Iraq, particularly northern Iraq. Christina is a doctoral candidate whose gift and passion as a peacemaker finds her working with refugees in neighborhoods in Turkey; has developed a professional woman's organization to expand services to refugees; and maintains her work in international relations. August 30 - 6:00 am PT/ 7:00 am MT/ 8:00 am CT/ 9:00 am ET USA Time More information on Christina Bache Fidan at end of email along with photo. We will use two technologies: 1. Adobe Connect for the visual: http://top.adobeconnect.com/peace-building-turkey/ 2. Go-To-Meeting for the audio: https://www3.gotomeeting.com/join/335229006 Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. Dial +1 (773) 897-3015 Access Code: 335-229-006 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID: 335-229-006 Register for this session here in Groupsite. Please contact Catherine Tornbom if you have any questions: catherine(a)interfuseassociates.com Interfuse Associates Cell/Text: 520.289.7117 Website: interfuseassociates.com About the ICAI Nepal Conference Christina Bache Fidan: PhD Candidate, Department of Politics and International Studies, University of Warwick One of the latest Conferences Christina helped to host: The Center for International and European Studies (CIES) at Kadir Has University: 1st International Neighbourhood Symposium on “Understanding the Common Neighbourhood – The Black Sea Region in Focus” held on the island of Heybeliada near Istanbul, Turkey from Tuesday, 28 June – Sunday, 3 July 2011. The International Neighbourhood Symposium promoted further understanding and cooperation in the Black Sea region and beyond by providing a forum for study, dialogue and networking in a multicultural and interdisciplinary environment. Biography From 2006-2010, Christina worked with the Istanbul Policy Center located at Sabanci University in Istanbul, Turkey. She previously worked with the U.S. Agency for International Development and the U.S. Department of Commerce, both in Washington, DC. Christina is now a Research Fellow at the Center for International and European Studies at Kadir Has University in Istanbul. PhD Thesis Title and Abstract Turkish Private Sector Development in Northern Iraq Christina's aim is to describe the influence of Turkey's Private Sector in Northern Iraq. To what extent can the Turkish private sector not only contribute to an easing of relations between Turkey and the Kurdish Regional Government (KRG), but also contribute to an increase in stability and facilitate reconstruction in the KRG governed region despite an on-going war in Iraq? In-depth interviews and semi-structured observations will be conducted. Education PhD Candidate, Politics and International Studies, University of Warwick, 2009-2012 M.A. International Peace and Conflict Resolution, American University, 2004 B.A. International Studies, American University, 2003 Research Interests Conflict Management; Security Studies; U.S. Foreign Policy; Turkish Foreign Policy; Migration; Development Personal Affiliations Rapporteur, Wilton Park Conference, "Turkey's Policies for Engagement in the Contemporary World," 2011, Istanbul Selected Member, American Council on Germany and the Draeger Foundation, "Study Group on Demographic Trends, Migration, and Social Cohesion in Europe," 2009 and 2010, Berlin, Washington, DC, Brussels, Paris Selected Member, The Hollings Center, “The Future of Turkey-U.S. Relations: Prospects for Cooperation in the Middle East,” 2010, Istanbul Selected Member, The Hollings Center, "The Future of U.S.-Egypt Relations: a Next-Generation Dialogue," 2009, Istanbul Selected Member, Transfuse Association, "Study Group on Promoting Dialogue, Cooperation and Integration within Southeastern Europe," 2009, Istanbul Wanda Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/619-3469 wanda60(a)earthlink.net

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Join the Virtual Presentation On Peace Building in theMiddle East August 30 - 6:00 am PT/ 7:00 am MT/ 8:00 am CT/9:00 am ET USA Time
by George Holcombe 29 Aug '12

29 Aug '12

I am forwarding this for Wanda. Wanda is the "I" that just returned from Istanbul. The photo is Christina Bache Fidan who will be the presenter in the first Virtual Presentation for the Peace Building & Governance Theme Team. Christina is a longtime peace maker colleague who met Firat Fidan when they were both getting their Masters at American University in Washington DC, Christina in Conflict Resolution and Firat in International Business. It was an honor to attend their wedding six years ago in Istanbul. They are an awesome "international" couple as they both are engaged in different ways caring for the world from Istanbul. Christina is also a Phd candidate on International Relations. I do hope you will join us in the "virtual" type dialogue on peace building. Wanda Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2012, at 9:12 AM, "Janice Ulangca" <aulangca(a)stny.rr.com> wrote: > George and Wanda, > This looks great! I hope to participate tomorrow (Thursday Aug. 30 9 a.m. eastern). Thanks much for the info. > > Who is the "I" who just returned from Istanbul? And who is the beautiful person in the picture? Not really clear. > > Janice Ulangca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wanda Holcombe > To: Colleague Dialogue > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:34 PM > Subject: [Dialogue] Join the Virtual Presentation On Peace Building in theMiddle East August 30 - 6:00 am PT/ 7:00 am MT/ 8:00 am CT/9:00 am ET USA Time > > Dear Colleagues around the world, > > I just returned from a journey to Istanbul and a great visit with my longtime colleague Christina Bache Fidan who agreed to be our presenter for the first virtual presentation of the Peace and Governance Theme of the ICA Nepal Conference on August 30th...just a few days away. Christina will lead a dialogue on the volatile dynamics in the Middle East, focused on Turkey's internal challenges and its relationship with Iraq, particularly northern Iraq. I hope you will join us and invite other colleagues to join us as well. > > I agreed to join the leadership team of the Peace and Governance Theme because of my lifelong passion for peace and the Virtual type conference where all can participate from wherever they are located in the world before, during and after the conference and/or by being present in Nepal. Christina will also be one of our virtual presenters during the conference in Nepal from Istanbul. > > ALSO, visit the ICA Human Development Conference Site, Peace and Governance Theme and join in by taking the Poll and helping to select the 10 of 32 Critical Conditions for Peace Building: > http://www.conference.ica-nepal.org > http://www.virtual.ica-nepal.org > > If you have any problems taking Poll Taking or have questions about the two technologies for the Virtual Presentation, Please contact the two Sherpas for the Peace & Governance Theme: > Tornbom Catherine: catherine(a)interfuseassociates.com > Jean Watts: jeanwatts(a)cox.net > > PLEASE come join the Peace and Governance Theme of the ICA Nepal Conference for our first virtual presentation Special Program on Peace Building in the Middle East - Turkey and Iraq August 30 - 6:00 am PT/ 7:00 am MT/ 8:00 am CT/ 9:00 am ET USA Time > > We will begin with questions, many questions. Questions that beg responses based in research, based in practice, based in intuition, based on experience, and based in the heart. Together we will move into an exploration of the vast journey of peace and find the path that brings concrete action to our beloved > communities. > > Join us on August 30 with my longtime colleague Christina Bache Fidan. Fidan will lead a dialogue on the volatile dynamics in the Middle East, focused on Turkey's internal challenges and its relationship with Iraq, particularly northern Iraq. Christina is a doctoral candidate whose gift and passion as a peacemaker finds her working with refugees in neighborhoods in Turkey; has developed a > professional woman's organization to expand services to refugees; and maintains her work in international relations. > > August 30 - 6:00 am PT/ 7:00 am MT/ 8:00 am CT/ 9:00 am ET USA Time > > We will use two technologies: > > 1. Adobe Connect for the visual: > http://top.adobeconnect.com/peace-building-turkey/ > > 2. Go-To-Meeting for the audio: > https://www3.gotomeeting.com/join/335229006 > Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. > > Or, call in using your telephone. > > Dial +1 (773) 897-3015 > > Access Code: 335-229-006 > > Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting > > Meeting ID: 335-229-006 > > Register for this session here in Groupsite. > > As we confirm our additional guest speakers, we will send invitations letting > you know the time and date. > > Please Catherine Tornbomt me if you have any questions. > > Interfuse Associates > Cell/Text: 520.289.7117 > Website: interfuseassociates.com > About the ICAI Nepal Conference > > <Christina Fidan 1.jpg> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dialogue mailing list > Dialogue(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net > _______________________________________________ > Dialogue mailing list > Dialogue(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net Wanda Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/619-3469 wanda60(a)earthlink.net

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Re: [Dialogue] From The Week: Hearing the voice of God
by LAURELCG＠aol.com 29 Aug '12

29 Aug '12

Thank you, Sunny. I anticipate your reflections with pleasure. We haven't killed the dialogue, I hope. Jann In a message dated 8/21/2012 1:30:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sunwalker(a)comcast.net writes: Thanks Jann and Del for your comments. I was feeling the same, but didn’t have the time to respond in the moment. At some point, I will share my new reflections from recently having a lively primarily African American church (independent) as a client. It’s been a joy and a revelation and rather provoking. Sunny Sunny Walker SunWalker Enterprises 303-587-3017 (cell) 303-671-0704 (home/office) _sunwalker(a)comcast.net_ (mailto:sunwalker@comcast.net) Aurora, CO

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I really did create a petition
by Pamela Bergdall 27 Aug '12

27 Aug '12

Dear Colleagues, You may have thought my e-mail had been compromised, but I really did create a petition. As you may or may not know, I agreed to help organize the Building a Viable Future for Planet Earth theme at the Nepal Conference in October. I am very passionate about how all things relate and after learning that the US is blocking this lawsuit (which I believe would put pressure and get some action) I decided to create this petition. I realize that the video did not come through so I will try again. The link from grist.org where I first learned of this is: http://grist.org/climate-energy/paradise-lost-in-palau-island-nation-fights… I hope you will sign my petition. I am not usually this bold, but I just had to. Grace and peace, Pam

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ARCHIVES Sojourn possibilities
by Marge Philbrook 24 Aug '12

24 Aug '12

Just 10 minutes ago I attempted to create this email. and accidently sent it. Please eliminate the earlier and just look at this one. I said before: To those of you who have signed up to come here during the Archives Sojourn weeks, and to those of you who are considering coming, I have created a list of tasks which we are considering working on during the Sojourn: TASKS FOR EVERY INTEREST and PREFERENCES -- This is a very limited list of possibilities and we are asking for additional ideas. *listening to and documenting content of many many cassettes *listening to and documenting content of open reel tapes (Mike May is working on this project) *recording contents of last row of files in the basement *documenting contents of accessions sent by different families *documenting information in files from Academies, ITIs, and Human Development Training Schools *sorting the US national Town Meeting files and the International Global Community Forum files *Or Let us know other areas where your passion lies. We are creating a time design that honors your other interests during your visit to Chicago. What fun it will be to catch up on what we are all doing now. These storires may help to create the role that the Archives can play in shaping the future of the world. Let us know your ideas and when you can join us . Jean Long, for the Archives Advisory Committee

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Archives Sojourn coming soon
by Marge Philbrook 24 Aug '12

24 Aug '12

To those of you who have signed up for some time to come here during the Archives Sojourn weeks, and to those of you who are considering joining us, I have a list of tasks which will take more help than we normally have here in the Global Archives:

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Sarah's Poems
by coevolutionacademy＠juno.com 24 Aug '12

24 Aug '12

Dear Friends, I am in ther process of preparing for two Womens' Retreats - Whispers of the Soul - the first one in Seattle on September 15 at Unity Church and the second one at Metta Wing - Conna's farm in Spencer, Oklahoma on Oct.6. I have been wishing for some poems to read about the Soul and today in the mail I received Sarah Buss's book The Other Side of Midnight! There are some perfect poems there to use in the retreats. It's a wonderful book. Thank you Sarah! By the way - any of you women in Seattle, we still have space in the retreat. It will be from 9:30 to 4:30 downtown (there is parking) and some wonderful women are coming! Also if you need a partial or even full scholarhsip they are available. If you think you know others who would like to come - please let them know. I have facilitated 8 or 9 Women's Retreats over the years and as many of you know - there is something wonderful that happens every time - when women gather together. And these days, we really need the feminine energy empowered in the world. If you would like a flyer you can go to my website www.roseannesands.com or I will happy to email you one. Love and Peace, Rose Anne ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5037909d357da109c49b8st03vuc

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