June 2012 - Dialogue - lists.wedgeblade.net

Undocumented immigrants
by KarenBueno＠aol.com 07 Jun '12

07 Jun '12

What are you all thinking about undocumented immigrants these days? I have been given the opportunity to lead 15 minutes of a workshop on immigration for some 500 lay people of Rocky Mountain United Methodist Annual Conference in Denver next week. Many will be those in the ranks of "just send 'em all back" persuasion. Any pertinent points I should be sure to speak about? Karen Bueno Here's a new item: June 5, 2012 - Press release Undocumented Youth Risk Arrest in Denver to Demand Executive Order at Obama Office 'Coming out' action in Denver DENVER – Undocumented immigrant youth walking from San Francisco to Washington, D.C. will protest outside of the Obama campaign office today on 9th Avenue. They will ask that his administration stop the deportations of DREAM Act-eligible youth by signing an executive order. “With Deportations on the rise and Secure Communities recently implemented in the state of Colorado, We cannot just sit back and wait!” said Veronica Gomez, an undocumented student with Campaign for an American Dream (CAD), which is walking across the country to raise awareness about immigrant rights. “The immigrant community in Colorado needs to know that we have a voice in this country, that we are not criminals, and we deserve a pathway to legalization.” CAD, along with the group Colorado, Organize, Resist, Escalate (COORE) will deliver a letter to the Obama Campaign office followed by a “Coming out of the Shadows” rally where undocumented immigrants will publicly declare their status. “If they want the Latino vote in Colorado, they must show the community what they are doing for us. We are asking them to stop the deportation of all DREAM eligible youth!” said Javier Hernandez, an undocumented immigrant living in Colorado and member of COORE. Despite the memo authored by Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director John Morton explaining that ICE is supposed to focus its resources on deporting criminals, DREAM-eligible youth are being put in deportation proceedings nationwide. We need the strength of an executive order to stop our deportations. ### CAD’s mission is to walk across the nation from San Francisco to D.C creating dialogue around the passage of the DREAM Act and fixing our broken immigration system with the values of equality, unity, and diversity. CAD believe’s all people are equal, all those who are oppressed should be united, and our daily lives and the Campaign itself highlight diversity. http://thedreamwalk.org

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Civil Society Slow Motion Train Wreck like Wisconsin
by steve har 06 Jun '12

06 Jun '12

To Sunny Walker and others who kvetch about whether the President should wear "white gloves" in policy and politics. Really curious about your view point, where you stand that makes this an interesting question. Today's Wisconsin election results make it clear -one more time- who has set the table of policy and politics in this country and who is causing a slow motion train wreck in civil society. What I say is there is an Ayn Rand conservative counter-revolution going on and it leaves critiques of Obama pretty irrelevant. Obama kvetching actually mises the entire point, something like the fans watching a baseball game at Wrigley field on Fox News mis the point. They don't notice #10 million dollars that the Wrigley Field owners choose put into socially conservative political campaigns and support political functionaries like Scott Walker. The TV game watchers love watching the game real or political baseball, but her opinions actually make no difference whatsoever. In Costa Rica, where I often gather with the Democrats Abroad and try to get US Citizens to register and vote from abroad, many people -Costa Ricans and Americans alike- see the stakes in the game quite differently because there is a little longer view to things, a little further away from things. Since the Reagan era there is a systematic counter revolution underway to take apart FDR style social democracy which created a large middle class by bootstrapping people into the middle class with universal education, bank loans available to ordinary people, social security and medicare. It is the model that Costa Rica followed after 1948 after the revolution against United Fruit and others. FDR style social democracy helped Costa Rica to become a stable peaceful country with a large middle class. It is one of the reasons Costa Ricans so admire the United States and are so concerned for the future direction of the country and its well-being. The shape of FDR style social democracy is like the shape of a diamond, like a wide baseball diamond, with a really wide middle class, a relatively small wealthy class and a relatively small poor class. The shape of the conservative model- underway since the 1980s - is Ayn Rand's model of Libertarian oligarchy where the social philosophy is something like "I got mine, why don't you get busy and find some work". The oligarchy is a pyramid. There s a group very wealthy people libertarian-conservative people on top - people like the Koch bothers - who organize and fund people like Scott Walker to look after their personal and financial interests with tax breaks and tax loopholes and attacks on pensions, teachers, public employees, and the rest of it. There is a whole class of fanboys like Fox News and Rush Limbaugh getting wealthy by hooting and hollering and shilling. Everyone else isn't really a matter of concern unless they by the soap suds. The trendy name for this oligarchy is th 1%. Everyone else is the 99% So Sunny I'm thinking your views attention & diserve respect and and good humor too. But I differ re your Obama criticism because it misses the point; I think your views are the views of a detached spectator watching the game from the peanut stand and the peanut stand doesn't notice the train wreck happening in civil society. There is a story developing now to tell about an entire group of middle class managers, teachers, firefighters, ordinary people outsourced from their jobs - even highly skilled facilitators - watching this game playout - this slow motion train wreck taking place -some are wide awake, some are putting on and taking off their white-gloves. I'm interested in finding out where you stand in the revolution-counter revolution of our time. JP Sartre CS1 paper on Social Revolutionaries is a more interesting topic to me than the topic you raise. Consider this poem that I can still hear in Charles Lingo's booming voice http://www.kalliope.org/da/digt.pl?longdid=lawrence2001061107 If you like I'll get you some digital photos of Kaye Hayes teaching notes on Sartre's paper to help you figuring out where you stand in the counter-revolution at hand. You don't get to be a spectator with "interesting opinions". I think "professional facilitators" can and may loose their gigs too, just like the teachers and firefighters and police that are going to loose their jobs in Wisconsin thanks to The Kochs and right wing money funding Scott Walker's 31 million dollar campaign. Wondering why you're kvetching about Obama? Wondering if you have anything to say about the editorial in the Nation this morning? Steve Harrington --- The Nation http://www.thenation.com/blog/168242/recall-campaign-against-scott-walker-f… Robert M. La Follette, the architect of the progressive movement that a century ago made Wisconsin the nation's "laboratory of democracy," recognized that the experiments would at times go awry. "We have long rested comfortably in this country upon the assumption that because our form of government was democratic, it was therefore automatically producing democratic results. Now, there is nothing mysteriously potent about the forms and names of democratic institutions that should make them self-operative," he observed after suffering more than his share of defeats. "Tyranny and oppression are just as possible under democratic forms as under any other." Those words echoed across the decades on the night of June 5, as the most powerful of the accountability tools developed in La Follette's laboratory -- the right to recall errant officials -- proved insufficient for the removal of Governor Scott Walker. The failure of the campaign against Walker, while heartbreaking for Wisconsin union families and the great activist movement that developed to counter the governor and his policies, offers profound lessons not just for Wisconsin but for a nation that is wrestling with fundamental questions of how to counter corporate and conservative power in a Citizens United moment. Those lessons are daunting, as they suggest the "money power" populists and progressives of another era identified as the greatest threat to democracy has now organized itself as a force that cannot be easily thwarted even by determined "people power." -- Steve Harrington

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Fwd: Sarah's Poetry Book
by Sarah H. Buss 06 Jun '12

06 Jun '12

Cost yet to confirm but probably about $12 plus tax (in Tx), shipping, and handling. 184 pages. See below. Sarah Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: Sarah Buss <shbuss(a)mac.com> > Date: June 5, 2012 2:10:55 PM CDT > To: "Sarah H. Buss" <shbuss(a)mac.com> > Subject: Sarah's Poetry Book > > To Friends, > > Finally I have a poetry book in the works. It will be a private, limited edition at this stage. If you are interested in a copy, send the following information to my email address shb.poetry(a)gmail.com by 11:00AM, June 11 so that I can include you in the count: > > Name > Address > Telephone Number > Email Address > > I will be in touch but I have physical limitations so it may be awkward and inefficient at times. If you have a question, phone rather than email. You can phone me mid-morning or late afternoon CST. I can receive but cannot respond to emails. > > Thanks for your interest and understanding, > > Sarah > 512-899-2500

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Re: [Dialogue] Dialogue Digest, Vol 3, Issue 12
by jrvergarajr2031＠aol.com 06 Jun '12

06 Jun '12

Ellie, mp3 audio will be fine for those of us YouTube deprived! Jaime R Vergara All of yesterday, thanks; all of tomorrow, yes; all of today, let it be! -----Original Message----- From: dialogue-request <dialogue-request(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> To: dialogue <dialogue(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Wed, Jun 6, 2012 10:05 am Subject: Dialogue Digest, Vol 3, Issue 12 Send Dialogue mailing list submissions to dialogue(a)lists.wedgeblade.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to dialogue-request(a)lists.wedgeblade.net You can reach the person managing the list at dialogue-owner(a)lists.wedgeblade.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Dialogue digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Revised song: Let the Earth Breathe (Jack Gilles) 2. Re: Revised song: Let the Earth Breathe (Ellie Stock) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 20:42:45 -0500 From: Jack Gilles <icabombay(a)igc.org> To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Revised song: Let the Earth Breathe Message-ID: <E018B07F-F65D-4B2E-A6DB-66CD1FD0327F(a)igc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Ellie, Singing has always been the key symbolic activity of our Movement. I am so grateful that you, one of our primary song writers, for continuing the work. Is there anyway you (or someone else) could post a video of the song? We all need the new creative songs. Thanks so much! Jack On Jun 5, 2012, at 4:31 PM, Ellie Stock wrote: > Greetings from St. Louie on this World Environment Day! > > A couple weeks ago, as part of the report from our Awaken the Dreamer, Changing the Dream Symposium/ICA 50th Anniversary event, we included the song "Let the Earth Breathe" written for the event. Since that time a number of revisions have been made on the attached music notation (can't be put in email text). Below are the lyrics. > > Ellie Stock > > > LET THE EARTH BREATHE > Let the Earth breathe! > Let its heart beat, > pulsing and firing the fruit of its seed. > Let four winds tease, > air bright and clean. > converging and swirling through life?s mystery. > Let waters wreathe. > Let rivers be, > pristine and free from deep valleys to seas. > Let singing streams > stir slumbering leagues, > awakening the dreamer and changing the dream. > Let mountains rise! > Let forests thrive? > primal communities birthed to survive. > Let kindred be wise, > not compromise > their courage and care for greed?s beckoning lies. > Let oceans race! > Let new waves chase > ancient tides washing ashore cosmic grace. > Let rhythms of peace, > each land embrace, > all creatures together in Earth?s sacred space, > creation now honored in Earth?s sacred space, > all creatures together in Earth?s sacred space. > ejhs > 5/12 > <Let the Earth Breathe, 6-5-12.pdf>_______________________________________________ > Dialogue mailing list > Dialogue(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net

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Awakening the Dreamer, Changing the Dream Symposium
by LAURELCG＠aol.com 06 Jun '12

06 Jun '12

Ellie, Thanks for the exciting information. The Sequoia Center for Holistic Studies, whose Board I'm a part of, works with a Mexican not-for-profit in El Fuerte, Sinaloa, and with the Mayo and Tarahumara people there. It's possible we could pull together a course in late summer-early fall in this area. Thank you, Jann In a message dated 6/5/2012 1:23:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, elliestock(a)aol.com writes: Hi Jann, The Awakening the Dreamer, Changing the Dream Symposium originated in San Francisco as a result of a partnership with the Pachamama Alliance's work with the Achua Indians in Equador to protect their land, culture, and way of living--threatened by extractive industries. Their call was not to have people come to Equador but to have the people where such corporations are based be awakened to what is going on--the goingonness not only negatively affecting the Achuas but also the global community. The stated purpose of the symposium is "to awaken people to create an environmentally sustainable, spiritual fulfilled, socially just human presence on the planet." The symposium is led by volunteer, trained facilitators from all walks of life. The content weaves together films clips, presentations, group discussion, ind ividual reflection and other exercises as it focuses on four questions relative to the three previously stated purpose arenas: Where Are We? How Did We Get Here? What's Possible Now? How Do We Get There? Some versions of the ATD include the New Story with dvd clips from Brian Swimme, Mary Evelyn Tucker, Thomas Berry, and Miriam McGillis. It pulls together all the current issues in a very impacting, moving way and also calls people into action to do their Great Work individually and corporately. The symposium has been presented across the country in many formats and time designs: morning, all day, multiple evenings, evening living room gathering, retreat, or built into another event. It's best to allow for 3 1/2-4 hours, but can be done in a shorter time or longer time with more exercises and reflection. Janice Ulangca used the ATD Symposium in the Binghamton Area as the 1st of the 50 ICA anniversary events. After hosting a number of dvd/discussion events in our community related to ecology, the ATD Symposium is a springboard to our Transitions Initiative in our area. Our first follow-up meeting is tonight. For more information about and free downloads on all the materials go to: _www.awakeningthedreamer.org_ (http://www.awakeningthedreamer.org/) . If you need additional info, please let me know. Ellie Stock _elliestock(a)aol.com_ (mailto:elliestock@aol.com) (314) 521-8418

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Revised song: Let the Earth Breathe
by Ellie Stock 06 Jun '12

06 Jun '12

Greetings from St. Louie on this World Environment Day! A couple weeks ago, as part of the report from our Awaken the Dreamer, Changing the Dream Symposium/ICA 50th Anniversary event, we included the song "Let the Earth Breathe" written for the event. Since that time a number of revisions have been made on the attached music notation (can't be put in email text). Below are the lyrics. Ellie Stock LET THE EARTH BREATHE Letthe Earth breathe! Letits heart beat, pulsing and firing the fruit of itsseed. Letfour winds tease, air bright and clean. converging and swirling throughlife’s mystery. Letwaters wreathe. Letrivers be, pristine and free from deep valleysto seas. Letsinging streams stir slumbering leagues, awakening the dreamer and changingthe dream. Let mountains rise! Let forests thrive— primal communitiesbirthed to survive. Let kindred be wise, not compromise their courage and carefor greed’s beckoning lies. Letoceans race! Letnew waves chase ancient tides washing ashore cosmicgrace. Letrhythms of peace, each land embrace, all creatures together in Earth’ssacred space, creation now honored in Earth’s sacred space, all creatures together in Earth’s sacredspace. ejhs 5/12

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Creating the future
by darrell walker 06 Jun '12

06 Jun '12

Colleagues, Echoes from the past. This quote from Evolutionary Enlightenment--A New Path to Spiritual Awakening by Andrew Cohen (Select Books New York 2011, p. 205): The future is not a given. What's going to happen is not already known and is not predetermined. The higher stages of consciousness and culture that lie in front of us do not yet exist. This sounds like a simple point, but it is profound. Many of us who are spiritually inspired tend to subscribe to metaphysical worldviews that tell us that the higher levels and stages of development are already laid out. But they're not. The newly emerging potentials in consciousness and culture have not yet appeared with enough consistency to become self-existing levels, or new "habits" in the interior fabric of the cosmos. They only come into being to the degree that you and I consciously participate together to develop those higher capacities in ourselves . . . This is why the awakening human at the leading edge today bears such a profound responsibility to be an evolutionary pioneer--to be the one who is literally living in that place between the present and the future. Darrell Walker – Phoenix

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I confess
by John Cock 05 Jun '12

05 Jun '12

Thank you, Jim W. "I think" (or "imagine," see below) is the key. Don't quote me, but it could have happened. Maybe Cohen bumped into such RS-I expression by someone we know, or got it from the same well we did, like the one H. R. Niebuhr drew water from. Anyway, Cohen is making more and more sense, and this book especially. Thanks, Darrell, for sending the quote, and thank you, Jann M., for plugging the book when it came out last fall. John C. And thanks, Marshall Jones, for your e-mail yesterday. BTW, have you moved back our way yet? _____ From: John Cock [mailto:jpc2025@triad.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:57 PM To: 'Colleague Dialogue' Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Creating the future He had RS-I at age 19, in Paducha, taught by Slicker--I think. _____ From: dialogue-bounces(a)lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of darrell walker Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:16 PM To: Dialogue Subject: [Dialogue] Creating the future Colleagues, Echoes from the past. This quote from Evolutionary Enlightenment--A New Path to Spiritual Awakening by Andrew Cohen (Select Books New York 2011, p. 205): The future is not a given. What's going to happen is not already known and is not predetermined. The higher stages of consciousness and culture that lie in front of us do not yet exist. This sounds like a simple point, but it is profound. Many of us who are spiritually inspired tend to subscribe to metaphysical worldviews that tell us that the higher levels and stages of development are already laid out. But they're not. The newly emerging potentials in consciousness and culture have not yet appeared with enough consistency to become self-existing levels, or new "habits" in the interior fabric of the cosmos. They only come into being to the degree that you and I consciously participate together to develop those higher capacities in ourselves . . . This is why the awakening human at the leading edge today bears such a profound responsibility to be an evolutionary pioneer--to be the one who is literally living in that place between the present and the future. Darrell Walker - Phoenix

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Re: [Dialogue] On another topic, but not really . . .
by LAURELCG＠aol.com 05 Jun '12

05 Jun '12

I need more info on Awakening the Dreamer symposiums, please. Sorry if I've missed something that should have been obvious. Jann McGuire P.S. Jim, the Visionary Organizing article was very exciting. Thank you. In a message dated 6/5/2012 10:02:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, elliestock(a)aol.com writes: Jim. Good article-thanks for sending. Seems to me ICA work, Awakening the Dreamer symposiums, Transitions Initiatives all work toward this. Ellie

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Re: [Dialogue] the President
by LAURELCG＠aol.com 05 Jun '12

05 Jun '12

I agree. I'm profoundly disappointed in Mr. Obama and his administration. First, for leaving the hawks to guard the economic henhouse (Geitner, for example), secondly, for taking on more unchecked, unbalanced executive power than even George Bush dared. (drone strikes and immigrant deportations increased) and this adds a third arena. I pray for orderly evolution to more equity and civility. Thanks for sharing, Sunny, Jann In a message dated 6/4/2012 10:08:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sunwalker(a)comcast.net writes: Well, my FBI file grows. I’ve written another president – not one I ever expected to. I followed Steve Harrington’s link to the cartoon discussion and randomly (you’ve noticed, it’s how my brain works, sighhhh…) a nearby link. There I found this comment. So I simply asked the President to heed the words as they will make a difference in the election: We hear much about civility in public life, and many colleges now insert civility discussions into the curriculum. More and more, President Obama’s speeches are worth studying as examples of incivility, of precisely what a president should not do this far out from the election. Cheap and puerile, they offer the guilty pleasures of raillery, a moment’s chuckle and a lengthening contempt for people of different views. Such rhetoric coming out of the president’s mouth poisons civic life, for every time he throws a cynical and insulting characterization to the audience, he licenses the blowhard talking head, the obnoxious columnist, and hordes of lesser incumbent politicians in their own campaigns to do the same. Your thoughts? Sunny Sunny Walker SunWalker Enterprises 303-587-3017 (cell) 303-671-0704 (home/office) _sunwalker(a)comcast.net_ (mailto:sunwalker@comcast.net) Aurora, CO No mattter how far you've gone down the wrong road, turn back. ~ Turkish Proverb _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net

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