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August Deadline Poetry Book Purchase
by Sarah Buss 01 Aug '12

01 Aug '12

Colleagues, If you want one of my Poetry Books NOW is the time to order. AUGUST is the last month I will be able to handle the distribution, currently at $12 per copy plus shipping and handling, and tax if inTexas. I cannot promise but the book might eventually be put on consignment at Book People in Austin, Texas in which case the price will probably be $19.95 plus the usual. So if you want a personal copy or to order for Christmas gifts now is the time to order by e-mail to shb.pooetry@gmail. com with your name address telephone # I will then send the book with invoice inclosed. If your have already ordered, you should have received your book with INVOICE enclosed. If you have sent your payment, thank you. If not payment is due NOW. If you ordered, but have not received the book phone me ASAPa 512/899-2500. You can see the cover in this forwarded e-mail below. Let me know if you are interested. Peace, Sarah Begin forwarded message: > From: Sarah H Buss <shb.poetry(a)gmail.com> > Date: July 16, 2012 10:14:24 AM CDT > To: Sarah Buss <sbuss(a)austin.rr.com> > Subject: Fwd: bk cvr > > > > Sent from my iPad > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Rebecca Bretz <rbretz(a)ginnysprinting.com> >> Date: July 16, 2012 9:28:49 AM CDT >> To: shb.poetry(a)gmail.com >> Cc: Terry Sherrell <tsherrell(a)ginnysprinting.com> >> Subject: bk cvr >> >> > >> >> Rebecca Byrd Bretz >> Graphics | Book Cover Designer >> 512.454.6874 x309 >> 512.483.6112 direct >> rbretz(a)ginnysprinting.com >> >> Ginny's Printing >> 8410-B Tuscany Way | Austin, Texas 78754 >> www.ginnysprinting.com >> >> >> >> >> >>

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Minor explotions
by Mary D'Souza 01 Aug '12

01 Aug '12

Dear colleagues, There were 5 explosions in the city of Pune. One person has been hurt. One bomb was detonated. All the people we know are well and safe. Mary On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 6:19 AM, George Holcombe <geowanda1(a)me.com> wrote: > Del went home today and is recooping from her surgery. If anyone wants to > send her an encouragement her email address is delhmor(a)wamail.net. > > George and Wanda Holcombe > 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. > Austin, TX 78728 > Mobile 512/252-2756 > geowanda1(a)me.com > > Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope—you do not have anything to do > with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien—it > just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could > you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph > W. Mathews > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dialogue mailing list > Dialogue(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net > >

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Del Morril update
by George Holcombe 31 Jul '12

31 Jul '12

Del went home today and is recooping from her surgery. If anyone wants to send her an encouragement her email address is delhmor(a)wamail.net. George and Wanda Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda1(a)me.com Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope—you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien—it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews

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Re: [Dialogue] Whole-hearted questions, Whole-hearted Answers
by LAURELCG＠aol.com 31 Jul '12

31 Jul '12

New question: What is Too Much Information? Jann In a message dated 7/31/2012 5:22:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, stevehar11201(a)gmail.com writes: I got a 1 to 1 note from Joyce asking what's up with this Wiegel & Harrington exchange about questions. I'm guessing she's worried there is some kind of animus in our back-and-forth -or she thinks one or the other of us are in deep weeds of confusion. Just to be clear: I have no animus or upset going what so ever. I actually like Wiegel's questions. I'm thinking he is trying to open up some more powerful more lively discorse in this dialogue. Personally I like the idea of -sharper questions that move texting forward -sharper questions that cause interesting answers -koans, and cross-word puzzles that make you do an Arsinio Hall reaction like..."Makes you go hmmm?" I enjoy obscure references to our common and uncommon literature. Surely Wiegels carp quote [is he carping]? is out of the book the Ronin. So is my retort, by the way: "neither does the severed branch leave the tree" Didn't read the Ronin? Worth it and cheep on Amazon. I think Jack Gilles may have a list of the sections that used to be read as a bed time story in LENS seminars. I think Wiegel is on to something by inviting edgy questions and a more focused dialogue - especially in a year celebrating 50 years of past and envisioning 50 years of ICA future. By comparison, in the Soto Zen community there is a tradition called "Dokusan" where there is a public, pregnant exchange of views between the teacher & student about what is real and what is important. It often takes the form of Q & A but at a deeper more existential levels...almost anything goes that engages what is ready-to-hand in the exchange. Shunryu Suzukii's famous quote comes from this tradition: "In Beginner's Mind there are many possibilities, In Expert's Mind there are few. It implies that fresh questions and real inquiry create fresh answers; which in turn loose their freshness. Two short personal examples of teacher-student encounters Some questions become life-long inquiries. For example one time Kaye Hayes asked: "Steve, what is one thing that grounds you in history? I said immediately: Satyagraha: Gandhi's term for something like firm grasping for the truth." I'm stilly carrying around that question. It is still alive for me. Another time the Sarpanch of Maliwada asked me a question when Chan and I came to visit and to see what Maliwada was -long after the project was over. He offered me tea and I refused to drink it. He asked: "Steve, you came all this way and I see you refuse to drink my tea, why is this? I knew the answer immediately but couldn't say so I bowed Namaste fashion in silence. What I couldn't say but saw immediately that I was afraid to drink the tea boiled in water for fear of becoming ill. It was a foolish fear of course, but the deeper point, I was just just being a tourist in my own life at that moment, just passing through, full of thinking but very little being, very little doing, not much integrity -the kind of integrity that JWM called Maliwada Integrity where what you say and what you do actually fits together, you know you are not a tourist in your own life, just passing through on a tour. So in a Soto Community "Dokusan" type encounter, anyone can claim either the role: student or teacher. Often the student asks the teacher a question or offers an assertion, the teacher responds. Or it is the other way around the teacher asks, the student self-selects and engages the question. there is an 800 year tradition of recording these encounters with respect poetry, commentary and picking up the question again and again to squeeze new wisdom out of it. In the Q & A encounter people listen for the wisdom point not for animus, not for logic either. The Q & A proceeds until either the student or the teacher bows and steps back realizing the last point is the wisdom point and acknowledging it. The other listeners often "get it" too and write it down. There really is no "make wrong" no shame-making or cynicism, no animus, no snarky drive-bys. In the Q & A , it is a discourse to find out what's so and make what is actually so clear to everyone present: the student, the teacher and the audience. It is said to be how "Stones polishing each other" and learn to speak clearly & wholehearted. "Stones" also do real work besides real discourse. In non-poetic lingo some kinds of discourse are performative not just "words. See: "speech acts": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._L._Austin What IS the "proper" form of dialogue in the dialogue? What possibilities do you notice? More like this: -acknowledgement of the life and energy of colleagues? Yes -announcements? yes -personal epiphanies and realizations? yes -ICA hopes and dreams? yes Less like this [I say] -flights of wistful nostalgia for the past? Boring -ORID in a texting sequence? Meh. In text ORID is horrid. Gets processed in my in box not my heart -aimless chit-chat? Drivel. It drives people away like Wayne Elsworth -people opining more layers of self-referencing abstractions? Thank you Dr. Descartes, who thinks thinking comes 1st before being and doing which might come later [or not] Not every dialogue needs whole-hearted intentionality, of course. Returning to Joyce's question: what's up with you guys in the dialogue? It is a good question. My answer is polishing stones, learning to ask and answer wholehearted questions with wholehearted answers. I think this is what Wiegel might be up to. Anyway it is what I'm up for. Joyce's Q is like Brian Stanfield's story from Courage to Lead from his own acknowledged teacher Joe Pierce who had something to say at the Lusaka airport. The customs official asked: Have anything to declare Mr. Pierce. Mr Pierce answered the question full-out and whole-hearted. The official stepped back. Stanfield doesn't say if the customs official bowed - or not. Do you have anything to declare Mr. Wiegel? [heh, heh, heh] Steve -- Steve Harrington _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net

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Whole-hearted questions, Whole-hearted Answers
by steve har 31 Jul '12

31 Jul '12

I got a 1 to 1 note from Joyce asking what's up with this Wiegel & Harrington exchange about questions. I'm guessing she's worried there is some kind of animus in our back-and-forth -or she thinks one or the other of us are in deep weeds of confusion. Just to be clear: I have no animus or upset going what so ever. I actually like Wiegel's questions. I'm thinking he is trying to open up some more powerful more lively discorse in this dialogue. Personally I like the idea of -sharper questions that move texting forward -sharper questions that cause interesting answers -koans, and cross-word puzzles that make you do an Arsinio Hall reaction like..."Makes you go hmmm?" I enjoy obscure references to our common and uncommon literature. Surely Wiegels carp quote [is he carping]? is out of the book the Ronin. So is my retort, by the way: "neither does the severed branch leave the tree" Didn't read the Ronin? Worth it and cheep on Amazon. I think Jack Gilles may have a list of the sections that used to be read as a bed time story in LENS seminars. I think Wiegel is on to something by inviting edgy questions and a more focused dialogue - especially in a year celebrating 50 years of past and envisioning 50 years of ICA future. By comparison, in the Soto Zen community there is a tradition called "Dokusan" where there is a public, pregnant exchange of views between the teacher & student about what is real and what is important. It often takes the form of Q & A but at a deeper more existential levels...almost anything goes that engages what is ready-to-hand in the exchange. Shunryu Suzukii's famous quote comes from this tradition: "In Beginner's Mind there are many possibilities, In Expert's Mind there are few. It implies that fresh questions and real inquiry create fresh answers; which in turn loose their freshness. Two short personal examples of teacher-student encounters Some questions become life-long inquiries. For example one time Kaye Hayes asked: "Steve, what is one thing that grounds you in history? I said immediately: Satyagraha: Gandhi's term for something like firm grasping for the truth." I'm stilly carrying around that question. It is still alive for me. Another time the Sarpanch of Maliwada asked me a question when Chan and I came to visit and to see what Maliwada was -long after the project was over. He offered me tea and I refused to drink it. He asked: "Steve, you came all this way and I see you refuse to drink my tea, why is this? I knew the answer immediately but couldn't say so I bowed Namaste fashion in silence. What I couldn't say but saw immediately that I was afraid to drink the tea boiled in water for fear of becoming ill. It was a foolish fear of course, but the deeper point, I was just just being a tourist in my own life at that moment, just passing through, full of thinking but very little being, very little doing, not much integrity -the kind of integrity that JWM called Maliwada Integrity where what you say and what you do actually fits together, you know you are not a tourist in your own life, just passing through on a tour. So in a Soto Community "Dokusan" type encounter, anyone can claim either the role: student or teacher. Often the student asks the teacher a question or offers an assertion, the teacher responds. Or it is the other way around the teacher asks, the student self-selects and engages the question. there is an 800 year tradition of recording these encounters with respect poetry, commentary and picking up the question again and again to squeeze new wisdom out of it. In the Q & A encounter people listen for the wisdom point not for animus, not for logic either. The Q & A proceeds until either the student or the teacher bows and steps back realizing the last point is the wisdom point and acknowledging it. The other listeners often "get it" too and write it down. There really is no "make wrong" no shame-making or cynicism, no animus, no snarky drive-bys. In the Q & A , it is a discourse to find out what's so and make what is actually so clear to everyone present: the student, the teacher and the audience. It is said to be how "Stones polishing each other" and learn to speak clearly & wholehearted. "Stones" also do real work besides real discourse. In non-poetic lingo some kinds of discourse are performative not just "words. See: "speech acts": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._L._Austin What IS the "proper" form of dialogue in the dialogue? What possibilities do you notice? More like this: -acknowledgement of the life and energy of colleagues? Yes -announcements? yes -personal epiphanies and realizations? yes -ICA hopes and dreams? yes Less like this [I say] -flights of wistful nostalgia for the past? Boring -ORID in a texting sequence? Meh. In text ORID is horrid. Gets processed in my in box not my heart -aimless chit-chat? Drivel. It drives people away like Wayne Elsworth -people opining more layers of self-referencing abstractions? Thank you Dr. Descartes, who thinks thinking comes 1st before being and doing which might come later [or not] Not every dialogue needs whole-hearted intentionality, of course. Returning to Joyce's question: what's up with you guys in the dialogue? It is a good question. My answer is polishing stones, learning to ask and answer wholehearted questions with wholehearted answers. I think this is what Wiegel might be up to. Anyway it is what I'm up for. Joyce's Q is like Brian Stanfield's story from Courage to Lead from his own acknowledged teacher Joe Pierce who had something to say at the Lusaka airport. The customs official asked: Have anything to declare Mr. Pierce. Mr Pierce answered the question full-out and whole-hearted. The official stepped back. Stanfield doesn't say if the customs official bowed - or not. Do you have anything to declare Mr. Wiegel? [heh, heh, heh] Steve -- Steve Harrington

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What was the Question Again?
by Steve Har 31 Jul '12

31 Jul '12

Wiegel: The carp that yearns for a worm cannot be content with its diet of flies. Harrington: When the student is ready, the teacher appears...in coded words, empty handed and unwilling to strike a blow. What is your fundamental question? If you cant say does your teacher JWM have one that speaks to the future? Neither did the severed branch leave the tree, you say? Message from: Steve's iPad

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Re: [Dialogue] What was the question again?
by David Walters 30 Jul '12

30 Jul '12

Another Wiegellism? -David Walters --- jfwiegel(a)yahoo.com wrote: From: James Wiegel <jfwiegel(a)yahoo.com> To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: "dialogue(a)wedgeblade.net" <dialogue(a)wedgeblade.net> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] What was the question again? Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:03:04 -0300 The carp that yearns for a worm cannot be content with its diet of flies. Jim > Sorry I've lost track of Wiegel's quiz questions, they are diverting, > but I've lost track. What's the question again? > > Are we on Q # 53 or #89? > So far still feels like hacking at branches not roots, doesn't it? > > Propose Q #90 > Why is there a big gap between what you type, what you say and what you do? > > Q # 90.1 > When something is broken, why don't you clean up the mess? > > Q # 90.2 > Why do you sound like you get your opinions from some cable TV victim > news channel? > > Questions for myself only, of course > > Maybe you can set me right on the straight and narrow? > > > Steve Harrington > Jim Wiegel Jfwiegel(a)yahoo.com “One cannot live in the afternoon of life according to the program of life’s morning; for what was great in the morning will be of little importance in the evening, and what in the morning was true will at evening have become a lie.” – Carl Jung Partners in Participation Upcoming public course opportunities: ToP Facilitation Methods, Sept 11-12, 2012 ToP Strategic Planning, Oct 9-10, 2012 The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday- Sept 7, 2012 Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Program begins on Nov 14-16, 2012 See short video http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55 and website for further details. On Jul 29, 2012, at 14:41, steve har <stevehar11201(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry I've lost track of Wiegel's quiz questions, they are diverting, > but I've lost track. What's the question again? > > Are we on Q # 53 or #89? > So far still feels like hacking at branches not roots, doesn't it? > > Propose Q #90 > Why is there a big gap between what you type, what you say and what you do? > > Q # 90.1 > When something is broken, why don't you clean up the mess? > > Q # 90.2 > Why do you sound like you get your opinions from some cable TV victim > news channel? > > Questions for myself only, of course > > Maybe you can set me right on the straight and narrow? > > > > > -- > Steve Harrington > _______________________________________________ > Dialogue mailing list > Dialogue(a)lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net

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The Three Moods in Christian Worship
by R Williams 30 Jul '12

30 Jul '12

Colleagues, A couple of weeks ago we had a conversation on this listserv about the acts of Worship. I remember distinctly that in the RS-1 short course on worship we said there are 3 overarching acts; Confession, Praise (or Thanksgiving) and Dedication. You may confirm this by reviewing the Daily Office that we did every morning. My focus has been more on what we said are the 3 "moods" associated with those acts of worship: for the act of confession the mood is humility; for thanksgiving, gratitude; and for dedication, compassion. I've been keeping journal notes on these for several years. I think they are key to our being profoundly human. I want to share some brief reflections and invite you to share your thoughts. The opposite of humility is arrogance. Tillich told us that "sin" is less about immoral acts and more about the state of "separation" in which we all live. I have concluded that confession in humility is not self-depreciation in light of our imperfection but is rather acknowledgement that we, in our separated state, are incomplete. We deny our interdependence on the "other" in our quest for self-sufficiency and self-determination, which are delusions. When we own up to our incompleteness (i.e. confess) in humility, this opens us, at the very least, to learning (i.e. having our hearts and minds changed, metanoia), and to entering into new relationships and friendships and partnering with all creation. The opposite of gratitude is greed. Old Testament scholar Walter Brueggemann has suggested that in our culture we need to move from a paradigm of scarcity to one of abundance. We may thus come to acknowledge that life is not a zero sum game, and that there is plenty for all as long as no one has more than her, his or its share. Gratitude is acknowledgment that we have all we need to live with dignity and to respond to our calling, as long as we are willing to share rather than hoard it, like the magician's urn of water, the more it's poured out, the fuller it becomes. The opposite of compassion is insensitivity to the suffering of the other, and gracelessness, the inability to be responsive to those who suffer. This, of course, plays off H. Richard Niebuhr's understanding of "church" as the "sensitive and responsive" part of society. So to be compassionate is to be "sensitive and responsive," which leads to living an active life service. I think of compassion more as something we "do" rather than something we "be." There is a sense in which all of these are inter-related to the extent that you can't talk about or embody any one of them without the other two. Humility leads one to be both grateful and compassionate. Gratitude has a prerequisite for humility, and is ultimately expressed in compassion. Compassion is humility and gratitude in action, i.e. the life of empathic service. We can see clearly how these three "moods" or "attitudes," as we called them, are appropriate to the 3 acts of Christian worship as we practiced it. But because we understand that worship is a rehearsal of, and is therefore transparent to, all of life as encountered in the world, we understand that there is nothing religious about humility, gratitude or compassion, but that these qualities are exhibited by all who decide to be "profoundly human." Randy "Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires." -Martin Buber (adapted)

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What was the question again?
by steve har 30 Jul '12

30 Jul '12

Sorry I've lost track of Wiegel's quiz questions, they are diverting, but I've lost track. What's the question again? Are we on Q # 53 or #89? So far still feels like hacking at branches not roots, doesn't it? Propose Q #90 Why is there a big gap between what you type, what you say and what you do? Q # 90.1 When something is broken, why don't you clean up the mess? Q # 90.2 Why do you sound like you get your opinions from some cable TV victim news channel? Questions for myself only, of course Maybe you can set me right on the straight and narrow? -- Steve Harrington

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Fwd: Del's recovery
by George Holcombe 28 Jul '12

28 Jul '12

Just received this from Genevieve. We might want to send Del our best. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda(a)earthlink.net Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope—you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien—it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews Begin forwarded message: > From: "Del Morrill" <del(a)hypnocenter.com> > Subject: Del's recovery > Date: July 28, 2012 2:51:51 PM CDT > To: "'Del Morril'" <delhmor(a)wamail.net> > > Hello Friends, > This is Genevieve, Del’s youngest daughter, writing to you to give an update on her surgery last night and recovery. > > The surgery took approximately five and a half hours. The surgeon said that it could not have gone better and was very pleased. They took only three lymph nodes and will have pathology report on Wednesday, but it was everything as expected. Del is resting comfortably at Tacoma General. Was moved to the Oncology floor today and has a great team of professionals caring for her. > > Del asked me to let you know that she is doing well and appreciates your love and support. > > On behalf of her family we thank you as well! > Gen > > Del > > Del Hunter Morrill, M.S., N.B.C.C.H. > Personal Guide & Hypnotherapist, Teacher, Lecturer > And Author of the GREAT ESCAPES Script Volumes > > TRANSITIONS, a Center for Personal Guidance & Hypnosis > And home of NEW BEGINNINGS PUBLISHING > 3217 North Mason Avenue, Tacoma Washington 98407 USA > Phone (253) 383-5757; www.hypnocenter.com > > There can be nothing to frighten you if you refuse to be afraid. (Mahatma Gandhi) >

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