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Re: [Dialogue] Images at wedgeblade.net
by MirjaH＠aol.com 05 May '13

05 May '13

Thanks, Jan! In a message dated 5/5/2013 11:11:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, janallen5(a)gmail.com writes: Mirja, Google Image picks up images from all over the Internet that use the key word in any way. Results are always a mixed bag, so you have to sort through them to find what what you're looking for. So the Wedgeblade images include EI/ICA-related images as well as others from unrelated websites. Hope that helps. Jan On May 5, 2013, at 7:23 AM, _MirjaH(a)aol.com_ (mailto:MirjaH@aol.com) wrote: Dear Tim, Thank you for the link to the images. They are great! However, I want to ask about the series of stark pictures about switchblades, knives and even a lightly clad model that are included in the middle of the portfolio. I am assuming it is an error. Let me know! Take care, Mirja Mirja P. Hanson MBA Ed. D. Facilitator and Management Consultant MP Hanson Associates, Inc. Affiliate, Millennia Consulting LLC 5510 Edgewater Boulevard Minneapolis, MN 55417 Phone: (651) 291-5616 Fax: (612) 824-8880 E-mail: _Mirjah(a)aol.com_ (mailto:Mirjah@aol.com) Website: _www.consultmillennia.com_ (http://www.consultmillennia.com/) In a message dated 5/4/2013 4:20:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, _tim(a)tswegner.net_ (mailto:tim@tswegner.net) writes: If you would like to get a fire hose version of all the images at _wedgeblade.net_ (http://wedgeblade.net/) (the Golden Path CD, the wiki, and even the mailing list archives), try this. 1. Go to _images.google.com_ (http://images.google.com/) 2. Paste what follows into the Google seach box: site:_wedgeblade.net_ (http://wedgeblade.net/) Enjoy! You can also put some keywords in the search, for example: wegner site:_wedgbelade.net_ (http://wedgbelade.net/) Tim _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list _Dialogue(a)lists.wedgeblade.net_ (mailto:Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net) http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list _Dialogue(a)lists.wedgeblade.net_ (mailto:Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net) http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net

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Re: [Dialogue] Images at wedgeblade.net
by MirjaH＠aol.com 05 May '13

05 May '13

Dear Tim, Thank you for the link to the images. They are great! However, I want to ask about the series of stark pictures about switchblades, knives and even a lightly clad model that are included in the middle of the portfolio. I am assuming it is an error. Let me know! Take care, Mirja Mirja P. Hanson MBA Ed. D. Facilitator and Management Consultant MP Hanson Associates, Inc. Affiliate, Millennia Consulting LLC 5510 Edgewater Boulevard Minneapolis, MN 55417 Phone: (651) 291-5616 Fax: (612) 824-8880 E-mail: _Mirjah(a)aol.com_ (mailto:Mirjah@aol.com) Website: _www.consultmillennia.com_ (http://www.consultmillennia.com/) In a message dated 5/4/2013 4:20:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tim(a)tswegner.net writes: If you would like to get a fire hose version of all the images at _wedgeblade.net_ (http://wedgeblade.net/) (the Golden Path CD, the wiki, and even the mailing list archives), try this. 1. Go to _images.google.com_ (http://images.google.com/) 2. Paste what follows into the Google seach box: site:_wedgeblade.net_ (http://wedgeblade.net/) Enjoy! You can also put some keywords in the search, for example: wegner site:_wedgbelade.net_ (http://wedgbelade.net/) Tim _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net

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Please unsubscribe me
by Janice Lynne 05 May '13

05 May '13

Thanks, lynnejanice(a)gmail.com

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Passing of Peter Whitney
by George Holcombe 05 May '13

05 May '13

We grieve with Ken and Claire Whitney at the passing of their son, Peter. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 “...we have the choice: we can gratefully cultivate the relationships that make us part of a vast network, or we can take them for granted and allow them to wither and die.” Brother David Steindl-Rast, Deeper than Words Sent from my iPad

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Images at wedgeblade.net
by Timothy Wegner 04 May '13

04 May '13

If you would like to get a fire hose version of all the images at wedgeblade.net (the Golden Path CD, the wiki, and even the mailing list archives), try this. 1. Go to images.google.com 2. Paste what follows into the Google seach box: site:wedgeblade.net Enjoy! You can also put some keywords in the search, for example: wegner site:wedgbelade.net Tim

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Article: The man who moved a mountain
by Ken Gillgren 03 May '13

03 May '13

Remember "The Ronin"? The man who moved a mountain https://plus.google.com/113098828165517010397/posts/HzcxuMs2q9S Sent via Flipboard Ken Gillgren Sent from my iPad

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Re: [Dialogue] Article: The man who moved a mountain
by LAURELCG＠aol.com 02 May '13

02 May '13

Also, didn't the tunnel the ronin dug end up high up in the middle of the cliff? I like the new "Ronin" in India. Jann In a message dated 5/2/2013 4:34:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rcwmbw(a)yahoo.com writes: The Ronin is a great story. But as I remember it, with all the macho imagery and themes of male domination, if we were doing LENS and used it as we once did, many would walk out in protest. Randy Sent from my iPhone

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Lunch with Slicker
by George Holcombe 02 May '13

02 May '13

Wanda and I went to Dallas last weekend, and I had a chance to catch up with Joe Slicker. We had missed communication with Joe since the first of the year, only to learn that he's spent most of the last 3 months in the hospital and rehab. Got to have a good visit and lunch with him. He's trying to catch up on his communication. Still a bright spirit with great insight and excited about all you are doing and being. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 grholcombe(a)gmail.com "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley

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French for the song you requested
by Sunny Walker 02 May '13

02 May '13

Thanks to Jim and OliveAnn Slotta, I'm attaching the French for "The Fire Across the Snow" (Le Feu Dans Le Niege), written for one of their campaigns in Lorne, to tune Windmills of the Mind. Let me know if you have any problems with the Word doc - I can copy content into an email, if needed. Sunny Sunny Walker SunWalker Enterprises 303-671-0704 Cell: 303-587-3017 sunwalker(a)comcast.net for ToP facilitation training information: registrar(a)icadenver.org www.icadenver.org <http://www.icadenver.org/> "I love my life!"

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5/02/13, Spong: The Birth of Jesus, Part XII. Making Sense of the Wise Men
by Ellie Stock 02 May '13

02 May '13

HOMEPAGE MY PROFILE ESSAY ARCHIVE MESSAGE BOARDS CALENDAR The Birth of Jesus, Part XII Making Sense of the Wise Men Having now described the miraculous birth of Jesus in chapter one of his gospel, Matthew turns next to his account of how the birth of Jesus was divinely “rolled out” to bring it to the attention of all the people of the world. His vehicle for this is to tell us a story of magi who follow a star that moves across the sky. This star, they are purported to believe, will lead these wise men to discover the meaning that Matthew has found contained in the life of this Jesus. Was this narrative the product of someone’s historical memory? Of course not! That is never the source of powerful interpretive legends. Matthew went, rather, to the Hebrew Scriptures, which were his traditional source for material, in order to tell his story of Jesus. In those scriptures he found all the elements he needed to weave together the familiar narrative that we now know as the story of the “three wise men.” So, following Matthew’s example, I invite you to come with me to look deeply into these Hebrew Scriptures. First, let me direct your attention to a passage in Isaiah 60, which calls to its readers thusly: “Arise, shine, for your light has come.” The point that Matthew was seeking to make in the entirety of his gospel was that in Jesus of Nazareth that light, which was destined to interrupt this world’s darkness had in fact arrived. Please note the universal quality of the star, which serves as his symbol of this light. A star is visible to all the people of the world. A star is trans-national and it has the mystical power, he believes, to draw all nations toward its light. “Following a star” is a familiar mythological reference to seeking the fulfillment of one’s dreams. The birth of Jesus was exactly this for Matthew. The light of God dawned in the darkness of the entire world. Kings, Isaiah asserts, will therefore “come to the brightness of your rising.” In Matthew’s creative mind, the wise men begin to emerge out of the shadows as he is inspired by this passage. Isaiah goes on to say that these kings will come “on camels.” Then he says they “will come from Sheba” and guess what they will bring? Gold and frankincense, says Isaiah. Does that not begin to sound just a little bit familiar? There are always among us, however, those who are religious literalists. So inevitably they will ask: “But where is the myrrh?” To get only two out of three gifts of the wise men from this text hardly makes a conclusive case. That is correct, but let me take you back to this text from Isaiah (60:1-6) and ask you to read it again, but this time even more carefully. The Isaiah narrative states: “Those from Sheba will come.” Sheba? Can you not hear the Jewish minds seeking connections by ranging over the entirety of their Jewish history? Matthew is telling us of kings “who will come to the brightness of God’s rising” that he is certain will occur in the land of the Jews, which is due, he believes, the homage of the world. He is proclaiming Jesus to be that new king of the Jews. The word “Sheba” in the text then immediately reminds him of another celebrated occasion in Jewish history when another royal visitor came to pay homage to another king of the Jews. So, back into his memory of the scriptures he goes until he brings forth the story of the Queen of Sheba visiting King Solomon (I Kings 10:1-13). Reading that story he discovers that this queen also comes with camels, bearing gifts. The author of II Kings tells us that these gifts consisted of gold, precious stones and spices. That text emphasizes the spices. It was, the text says, “an abundance of spices” that the Queen of Sheba brought, wagonloads of them, to be specific. The only spice familiar to the people of the Middle East at this time was myrrh, a sweet smelling resin derived from a bush. The Jewish people used it first as a deodorant. Cleanliness and personal hygiene were in short supply in that day. Myrrh tempered the body odors of the time. Secondly myrrh came to be used as the spice of death. The Jews did not embalm their dead. They simply wrapped the deceased body in a cloth or shroud and then filled the shroud with sweet smelling myrrh to drown out the odors of death and decay. Burial was not postponed for very long in that time and place. So, out of the Hebrew Scriptures, Matthew discovers a text in which a light shining in the darkness attracts kings on camels to come to that light and that these kings bring gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. The essential elements of the story of the wise men are thus found in the Jewish Scriptures. The three gifts, which Matthew has the wise men bring to the Christ child, were also symbols used by this gospel writer to introduce the adult Jesus to his readers. Gold was a gift appropriate to offer a king. “Born a king on Bethlehem’s plain,” says the hymn writer John Henry Hopkins (1820-1891), who more than anyone else put the story of the wise men into the life of our culture with a hymn known and loved by all. Because Jesus was perceived as a king, the hymn continues by having one of the wise men say: “Gold I bring to crown him again.” Matthew was thus introducing Jesus at the beginning of is gospel as the expected messianic king, who was “heir to the throne of David,” and destined to be born in David’s city of Bethlehem to a virgin and her betrothed. No, there were no birth records that he could have searched for corroboration. This is not researched history; this is a Jewish interpretive legend, a fact that Matthew’s original readers would surely have understood. Frankincense was thought of as a gift to be offered to a deity, so the hymn writer can say: “Incense breathes a deity nigh.” The Hebrew Scriptures contain 129 references to incense used in worship. It was supposed to be pleasant to God’s nostrils. It was to be burned in the Temple. The Torah is filled with references to incense. In Malachi, the last book of the Old Testament, this prophet suggests that the sign of universalism is that “in every nation incense shall be offered to my name.” So with the symbol of incense Matthew signals the divine presence that would be met in Jesus. Finally, Matthew adds myrrh to the gifts brought to Jesus at his birth. The gospel of Mark, on which Matthew was basing his story and to which he was adding for the first time a birth narrative, had devoted about 40% of his gospel to the passion story of Jesus. He had begun the account of Jesus’ final week with the narrative of Jesus’ triumphant entry into Jerusalem. He then traced the details of his last week, which was to culminate in his crucifixion, burial and resurrection. For Matthew it was to be through the death of Jesus that his meaning was to be revealed. So he felt the need to signal this climax by introducing his death into the story of his birth. That is exactly what the presence of myrrh in the story of the wise men does. Perhaps we can now understand what Matthew was trying to tell us in the story of the wise men. He begins his gospel by saying, in effect, let me tell you the story of Jesus, who was born to be the king of the Jews and who in that role was to reveal the presence of God in human form through his crucifixion and the subsequent resurrection, which was to serve as the transformation of death itself. He does this by turning Isaiah 60 into a narrative of magi or kings coming on camels to the place of Jesus’ birth and bringing with them the symbols of Jesus’ kingship, Jesus’ divine nature and Jesus’ death. I suspect, and this is obviously just a guess, that behind this story lay a sermon, preached in a synagogue by a follower of Jesus, learned in the Hebrew Scriptures. I suspect that this sermon was delivered on the Sabbath when the lesson, taken from the latter prophets, came from Isaiah 60. His sermon was an interpretive story. Both he and his audience in the synagogue knew that his sermon was never meant to be thought of as literal history. When Christianity moved out of its Jewish womb and into the Gentile world, however, a vast ignorance of the Jewish Scriptures became a mark of the Christian Church. That was when they no longer saw the connection between the stories told about Jesus and its Hebrew antecedents. Having no other frame of reference, with which to interpret the gospel narratives, these Gentile Christians simply began to literalize the stories. They did this through their art, in sermons, in their hymns and in their liturgy. Rescuing the Bible from this kind of fundamentalism is now one of the necessary steps that Christianity must adopt on its pathway to survival in the 21st century. Being able to see the Jewish antecedents of these stories is the first major step in accomplishing this task. A few more facts that are frequently missed need to be noted by the readers of this gospel, so let me point them out. There is no mention of camels in Matthew’s story of the wise men. Camels are only mentioned in Isaiah 60. Nowhere in Matthew are the wise men said to have been three in number. We read that into Matthew’s story from the list of three types of gifts that the wise men were supposed to offer. The text of Matthew says that “opening their treasures, they offered him gifts (note the plural) of gold, frankincense and myrrh.” It does not say one gold gift, one frankincense gift or one myrrh gift. Finally, read Matthew’s story carefully and you will see that the wise men came to a house in Bethlehem over which their guiding star rested. In that house lived Joseph with Mary and her baby. There was no stable. There was no journey from Nazareth to Bethlehem to be enrolled. There was no census ordered by Caesar Augustus when Quirinius was governor of Syria. Those are details from a later source and one that we have blended into Matthew’s story. Our task thus far is to see Matthew’s original birth of Jesus story in its own integrity. This was the first story of Jesus’ birth ever to be written and it did not enter the Christian tradition until the 9th decade! About ten years after Matthew’s first birth narrative a second and quite different birth story would be added to the tradition by a gospel writer we call Luke. To his narrative we will return when this series resumes. ~John Shelby Spong Read the essay online here. Question & Answer Nico Knottnerus, from the Netherlands writes: Question: I have a question. I learned that “survival of the fittest” meant that those who fitted, i.e. adapted, best to the circumstances of life would survive, not those who were the most powerful or the strongest. Am I right as your text is more in the last way? I apologize since English is not my mother tongue. Answer: Dear Nico, I am guessing that your question arose from a column some time ago when I sought to find a new way to discuss life after death by going deeply into life itself. There I talked about the origins of our universe and about the evolution of life on this planet earth, which began in the form of single cells and moved into self-conscious human beings over a period of about 3.8 billion years. When we discovered DNA about fifty years ago we learned that life is one connected, unfolding whole. Now we must ask about the things we have in common with all living things: plants, vines, trees, insects, creatures of the sea, reptiles, mammals and other human beings. That shared connectedness is revealed in many things, but chief among them is that to be alive in any form is to be survival-oriented. In the plant and non-self-conscious world of living, animate things this drive for survival is innate, instinctual and unconscious. That is what Darwin was referring to and people interpreted him to be saying that the driving force of evolution was the “survival of the fittest.” He was pointing to the quality of adaptability, which marks all living things. Part of what drove Darwin to this conclusion was his study of the size and shape of the bills or beaks of the finches on the various islands of the Galapagos chain. The way the beaks received food on each island over the centuries had changed the shape of their beaks. Those who were capable of adapting to the food source survived; those who were not able to adapt did not. Eventually the beaks were shaped to serve that bird’s survival. Human beings are the only creatures of whom we are aware, who, because we are self-conscious, know that survival drives us. In turn, this gives us the opportunity to direct, more than any creature has ever been able to do so before, the process of our own evolution. The down side in our humanity is, however, that if our own survival is our deepest driving value, we cannot escape being self-centered. We view all things and all people from the perspective of whether or not they aid in our survival. This is the quality of our humanity that I believe the early fathers of the Christian Church observed and they interpreted it to be “original sin” and subsequently developed the “Myth of the Fall” to explain that our presumed original perfection was ruined by sin. This in turn provided the definition of human life against which the Jesus story was ultimately told. Jesus was God’s rescue operation sent from “heaven” to pay the price for our sinfulness on the cross and to lift us back to that status of perfection which was presumably ours before the “Fall.” My sense is that these ideas are now bankrupt. Darwin revealed that there never was a perfect and finished creation and the absence of “original perfection” making the story of the fall into “original sin” nonsensical. One cannot fall from a perfection one has never possessed. Creation is ongoing, unfinished process. If original sin has lost its claim to validity then so has the story of Jesus rescuing us from that fall. So, the way we tell the whole Christian story is consequently in flux and must be changed dramatically. Can we modern Christians lift the Jesus experience out of the dated explanations of antiquity and find a new way to communicate that experience? The future of the church hangs on how we answer that question. Thanks for writing. ~John Shelby Spong Announcements Bishop Spong's new book, The Fourth Gospel: Tales of a Jewish Mystic, is on it's way and is available for Pre-Order NOW! John Shelby Spong, bestselling author and popular proponent of a modern, scholarly and authentic Christianity, argues that this last gospel to be written was misinterpreted by the framers of the fourth-century creeds to be a literal account of the life of Jesus when in fact it is a literary, interpretive retelling of the events in Jesus' life through the medium of fictional characters, from Nicodemus and Lazarus to the "Beloved Disciple." The Fourth Gospel was designed first to place Jesus into the context of the Jewish scriptures, then to place him into the worship patterns of the synagogue and finally to allow him to be viewed through the lens of a popular form of first-century Jewish mysticism. The result of this intriguing study is not only to recapture the original message of this gospel, but also to provide us today with a radical new dimension to the claim that in the humanity of Jesus the reality of God has been met and engaged. Pre-Order Here! Any questions or concerns, please contact us at support(a)johnshelbyspong.com or 503-236-3545. Copyright © 2013 ProgressiveChristianity.org, All rights reserved. You are receiving this email because you have a membership at our website. Our mailing address is: ProgressiveChristianity.org 3530 SE Hawthorne Blvd. Unit 1 Portland, OR 97214 Add us to your address book

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