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Election Day, November, 1884
by James Wiegel via Dialogue 09 Nov '16

09 Nov '16

This poem, thanks to Leslie Forbes -- Walt Whitman, 1819 - 1892 If I should need to name, O Western World, your powerfulestscene and show, ‘Twould not be you, Niagara—nor you, ye limitless prairies—nor your huge riftsof canyons, Colorado, Nor you, Yosemite—nor Yellowstone, with all itsspasmic geyser-loops ascending to the skies, appearing and disappearing, Nor Oregon’s white cones—nor Huron’s belt of mightylakes—nor Mississippi’s stream: —This seething hemisphere’s humanity, as now, I’d name—thestill small voice vibrating—America’s choosing day, (The heart of it not in the chosen—the act itselfthe main, the quadriennial choosing,) The stretch of North and South arous’d—sea-boardand inland—Texas to Maine—the Prairie States—Vermont, Virginia, California, The final ballot-shower from East to West—theparadox and conflict, The countless snow-flakes falling—(a swordlessconflict, Yet more than all Rome’s wars of old, or modernNapoleon’s:) the peaceful choice of all, Or good or ill humanity—welcoming the darker odds,the dross: —Foams and ferments the wine? it serves topurify—while the heart pants, life glows: These stormy gusts and winds waft precious ships, Swell’d Washington’s, Jefferson’s, Lincoln’s sails. Jim Wiegel “If you want an adventure . . . what a time to be alive!”. Joanna Macy 401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353623-363-3277jfwiegel(a)yahoo.comwww.partnersinparticipation.com Upcoming ToP training opportunities in Arizona More info on: ToP® Facilitation Methods ToP® Strategic Planning: Mastering the Technology of Participation Register on line / see the ToP National ScheduleAICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP® courses The AZ ToP® Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday, of every month, 1-4 pm, at ACYR, 648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003

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Native American Ten Commandments
by Ellie Stock via Dialogue 07 Nov '16

07 Nov '16

Attached: Native American Ten Commandments. Ellie elliestock(a)aol.com

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Please reconsider
by Ellie Stock via Dialogue 07 Nov '16

07 Nov '16

Dear Susan and Jo, I was very sorry to read your last emails about leaving the list serve as well as the recent dialogue conversation regarding the election. I hope you will both reconsider your decisions to leave the list serve. We need the wisdom of both of you. During the last sixty years of ICA/OE/EI and now the list serves, there have been many passionate disagreements and arguments over many issues, decisions, personality conflicts, directions, etc. Although it may have seemed like group think all the time, I don't believe this movement has been based on everyone thinking alike or having the same gifts. We are a passionate and yes, often, very opinionated group, but I believe, ultimately. people who care deeply and broadly. We never claimed to be perfect, and this election season has tested us, not only on the list serve, but with family and friends and often found us wanting. We are all still learning how to disagree passionately without being destructive--an ongoing process. It is my hope that both of you will reconsider in due time. For any part I have played in the dialogue conversation that was destructive, either by speaking or remaining silent, I sincerely apologize and hope to do better in the future. Grace and peace~ Ellie Stock elliestock(a)aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Jo Nelson via OE <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Susan Fertig <sfertig(a)blueskytech.us> Cc: Order Ecumenical Community <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Sun, Nov 6, 2016 7:55 pm Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] more news for Susan I already did, for much the same reason. Not behaving like my community. Take care, Jo On Nov 6, 2016, at 8:47 PM, Susan Fertig <sfertig(a)blueskytech.us> wrote: Jo, no need to leave the list. I will leave instead. I no longer feel this is my community as I once did, so it is more appropriate for me to be the one to leave. Susan Susan Fertig-Dykes (personal email account) And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought . Isaiah 58:11 Protect against email address harvesting: Use "BCC" when sending to multiple addresses; delete senders’ E-Mail addresses when forwarding. NOTE: I won’t be offended if you ask me to remove you from my emails. From: OE [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jo Nelson via OE Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 8:43 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] more news for Susan The disrespectful comments from both sides of the political spectrum about people with different views has compelled me to leave this list. I will not participate in negative energy and disrespect. Jo Nelson On Nov 6, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Susan Fertig via Dialogue <dialogue(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Every time I read one of these condescending “poor misguided Susan” missives, I have to chuckle at the hypocrisy. All of you are guilty of everything of which you each have accused me. The only difference is that I’m not tied to ANY candidate, and you all have drunk the Hillary koolaid. Susan Susan Fertig-Dykes (personal email account) And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought . Isaiah 58:11 Protect against email address harvesting: Use "BCC" when sending to multiple addresses; delete senders’ E-Mail addresses when forwarding. NOTE: I won’t be offended if you ask me to remove you from my emails. From: OE [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of W. J. via OE Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 6:20 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe(a)lists.wedgeblade.net>; Colleague Dialogue <dialogue(a)lists.wedgeblade.net> Subject: [Oe List ...] more news for Susan I've 'enjoyed' Susan's anti-Hillary diatribes, especially her cartoon. Not that I agree with her biases--I actually voted for Hillary (without holding my nose too hard). But I'm stunned that so many of my colleagues took the bait she threw at us--and jumped all over her. Her cartoon, for example, articulates the entrenched "meme" or biased and emotionally charged view of a large segment of voters who have voted or will vote without reference to FBI Director Comey's last-second letter of "reprieve" for Hillary. I predict that this letter won't change Susan's biases at all. She's totally stuck in "their" popular anti-Hillary meme, and nothing you or I or Mr. Comey can say will change her mind. So what does this mean for all of us? Can we even relate to people--relatives, "friends", workmates, or (goddess help us) even old "colleagues"--who have bought the same political malarkey Susan has swallowed whole? How can we make any sense of how Susan can be so misguided, given the depth of our common understanding of the way life is? Or, for that matter, how can we embrace people with whom we have developed personal trust and mutual esteem, once we learn they're "living on a different political planet"? Surely this is the moment for the 'transestablishment' dynamic. We need to speak to the hidden suffering of those who are angry and fearful and feel disempowered by their loss of economic, political, and cultural status as once-prosperous members of the middle class. And also to the segment of the electorate who feels Hillary is WAY too Establishment, is in bed with Wall Street and Corporate America, and has used the political system to disenfranchise them and dismiss their candidate. Finally, it has become obvious that the political process may come to an electoral outcome, but that does not allow for healing or reconciliation between warring political parties, who will feel obliged to take the political battle to the next level--the halls of Congress. Acknowledging and honoring the humanness of those we see as "our" political "enemies"--and eliciting their inclusive wisdom and insights into profound humanness--can be challenging as long as we take their bait and reflect their hate. We need to get WAY beyond this political impasse. Marshall BTW, American political cartoons in the 19th century were historically WAY nastier than anything Susan has sent us. But their distorted perspectives made political points and served an important function: they dramatized the way "ordinary" people perceived political shenanigans. FBI: Review of new emails doesn't change conclusion on Clinton <image001.jpg> <image002.png> FBI: Review of new emails doesn't change conclusion on Clinton By Eric Bradner, CNN FBI Director James Comey told lawmakers Sunday the agency hasn't changed its opinion that Hillary Clinton sh... _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net -- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson(a)ica-associates.ca> Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. 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M5V 3A8 Ph. 1 416-691-2316, x2230 Toll-free 1 877-691-1422 Fax 1 416-691-2491 Website http://ica-associates.ca Cellphone 647 233 6910 Skype “jofacilitator” Vendor of Record: Government of Ontario Learning and Training Services #OSS00536903 Vendor of Record: ProServices Canada E60ZT-120001/826/ZT Business Consulting/Change Management Pre-qualified Vendor, Alberta Education Resource List “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. Richard Buckminster Fuller” _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE(a)lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net

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electing Hillary
by W. J. via Dialogue 07 Nov '16

07 Nov '16

It strikes me that electing Hillary has come to this: she will take the Oath of Office and attempt to govern literally with her hands tied behind her back. Not only will we have to endure endless, fruitless Congressional investigations of 'HillaryGate' (whatever that is) and impeachment votes, but stonewalling legislation and judicial/Supreme Court appointments.Susan's cartoon may offend you as a commentary on Hillary's presumed 'guilt', but it is in fact a prophetic indictment of our dysfunctional political system that promises to put our next President in political handcuffs.MarshallFolks, your emotional reactivity at this moment to attacks on Hillary is important motivational 'juice'. But let's focus on the larger picture of what's going on, reorganize, and get on with discerning what needs to happen after Tuesday.

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more news for Susan
by W. J. via Dialogue 07 Nov '16

07 Nov '16

I've 'enjoyed' Susan's anti-Hillary diatribes, especially her cartoon. Not that I agree with her biases--I actually voted for Hillary (without holding my nose too hard).But I'm stunned that so many of my colleagues took the bait she threw at us--and jumped all over her.Her cartoon, for example, articulates the entrenched "meme" or biased and emotionally charged view of a large segment of voters who have voted or will vote without reference to FBI Director Comey's last-second letter of "reprieve" for Hillary.I predict that this letter won't change Susan's biases at all. She's totally stuck in "their" popular anti-Hillary meme, and nothing you or I or Mr. Comey can say will change her mind.So what does this mean for all of us? Can we even relate to people--relatives, "friends", workmates, or (goddess help us) even old "colleagues"--who have bought the same political malarkey Susan has swallowed whole?How can we make any sense of how Susan can be so misguided, given the depth of our common understanding of the way life is?Or, for that matter, how can we embrace people with whom we have developed personal trust and mutual esteem, once we learn they're "living on a different political planet"?Surely this is the moment for the 'transestablishment' dynamic. We need to speak to the hidden suffering of those who are angry and fearful and feel disempowered by their loss of economic, political, and cultural status as once-prosperous members of the middle class. And also to the segment of the electorate who feels Hillary is WAY too Establishment, is in bed with Wall Street and Corporate America, and has used the political system to disenfranchise them and dismiss their candidate.Finally, it has become obvious that the political process may come to an electoral outcome, but that does not allow for healing or reconciliation between warring political parties, who will feel obliged to take the political battle to the next level--the halls of Congress.Acknowledging and honoring the humanness of those we see as "our" political "enemies"--and eliciting their inclusive wisdom and insights into profound humanness--can be challenging as long as we take their bait and reflect their hate. We need to get WAY beyond this political impasse.MarshallBTW, American political cartoons in the 19th century were historically WAY nastier than anything Susan has sent us. But their distorted perspectives made political points and served an important function: they dramatized the way "ordinary" people perceived political shenanigans. FBI: Review of new emails doesn't change conclusion on Clinton | | | | | | | | | | | FBI: Review of new emails doesn't change conclusion on Clinton By Eric Bradner, CNN FBI Director James Comey told lawmakers Sunday the agency hasn't changed its opinion that Hillary Clinton sh... | | | |

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Standing Rock Assistance for our 2nd Generation Presence
by Lynda C via Dialogue 07 Nov '16

07 Nov '16

Dear Colleagues of the lst Generation (1G) of OE, Our prayers for Standing Rock can take many forms, but one action in particular that I call your attention to is that of our 2nd Generation (2G) that we formerly called our Emerging Generation (EG). Those of you on Facebook may have seen that the 2nd Generation of OE younger adults ( once EG), are being represented at Standing Rock. They have raised money to get Shelia Johnson (daughter of Byrne Johnson) on site with some equipment to assist with the midwife and medical team as a cook and support person. However, with the situation moving into colder weather they are aware that more substantial equipment is needed. They are working on purchasing an insulated bus that will serve as a dorm for the midwives and medics and as a kitchen. Nina Crow Rhys (Stan's daughter) has requested support from us lst Generation OE Elders as they work to Stand with Standing Rock in this attempt to protect the water and sacred grounds. She is also headed to Standing Rock where her experience as a doula will be a gift to the midwife team. North Dakota based Alex St. Clair (son of Bob and Kate) will also be there and is assisting as Shelia's support staff. Attached is a more complete proposal from Alex. Alex has given me permission to share his e-mail if you have any questions that he might answer. alex.saint.c(a)gmail.com<mailto:alex.saint.c@gmail.com> Many years ago, our EG were with us as we embarked upon our mission to make a difference. Let's support them in this endeavor of being a presence that they are making on behalf of many of us. If you have already sent a contribution, many thanks. If you haven't gotten around to it yet, there is great need to move on this quickly so the bus can be outfitted for the cause. If you know of others who aren't on these lists or of others who might respond to this call, please pass this on. We are so grateful for the presence that Diane Greenwald and Salvatore Caruso have been at Standing Rock during the fall and now for the support they are bringing to Native families who are wintering there with their children. We are grateful for Ellie and Carlton Stock's presence there as well with other representatives from the Presbyterian Church USA. Sincerely, Lynda and John Cock Davidson, NC Lynda860(a)outlook.com (new e-mail)

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Global Buzz
by ICA International via Dialogue 06 Nov '16

06 Nov '16

Enjoy catching up with what is happening in ICAs across the globe.....If you wish to SEND a report...send to your ICA contact person OR...go to the members section on the ICA International website Please click the link below for the October 2016 issue of the Global Buzz Global Buzz Report: November 2016 or copy and paste this URL into your browser's address bar http://mtrack.me/tracking/raWzMz50paMkCGZlAwL5ZQtjZQxzMKWjqzA2pzSaqaR9AQHjA… ICAI Communications

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DiCaprio documentary - free
by Karenbueno via Dialogue 05 Nov '16

05 Nov '16

This is well worth the hour and a half to watch: http://www.ecowatch.com/leonardo-dicaprio-before-the-flood-2062971522.html He has done a masterful job of documenting global warming and what we must do now. Karen Bueno

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Standing Rock; Native American month; Song: Red Cloud, music
by Ellie Stock via Dialogue 04 Nov '16

04 Nov '16

Hi folks, The National American Indian Museum and Cultural Center in Washington, D.C. has designated November as Native American Month. Other groups have done the same. Some faith communities have designated specific dates, and some are recognizing Columbus Day as Native American Day. Regardless, this year, with the events at Standing Rock, this past summer and now fall, have become a kairotic moment for Native Americans--and perhaps for the nation, for indigenous peoples globally, for and the larger earth community--as their primal story of being relatives with Mother Earth and all its creatures--animal, vegetable, mineral--eclipses the narrative lies of corporate and governmental greed and power--a false story that has led to the disruption and destruction of Earth's eco systems and people. As we stand with the Water Protectors at Standing Rock, we join them in proclaiming and being the ancient story of being one with the Earth, Our Common Home. Four years ago I shared with the list serve the song "Red Cloud Appeared in a Dream"--different Sioux Tribe but the same story. It was written in honor and remembrance of the First Nation Peoples whose legacy and presence still implore and challenge us to honor, care for and live in harmony with Creation and each other, walking lightly on Earth's sacred space. In light of Standing Rock, I thought I'd resend it. Red Cloud was an Oglala Lakota Sioux Chief in the 1800s-early 1900s who defended his people and land against the continual encroachment, plundering and broken treaties by the U.S. government, military, and economic interests. He was the only one to defeat the US military in what was called Red Cloud's War (although the US started it) 1866-68 when the US built forts on Lakota land. He was a leader before, and contemorary of Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull, Big Foot and others and outlived them, dying on the Pine Ridge Reservation in 1909. Today, Pine Ridge is the poorest community in the United States. Some statistics indicate its poverty rate and hopelessness level lower than Haiti. Similar patterns of political oppression, economic exploitation and religious legitimation (Borg) continue to be US policy toward populations in this nation as well as other nations. Such behavior, especially our attitude toward the earth, is coming back to haunt us. Ellie Stock elliestock(a)aol.com RED CLOUD APPEARED IN A DREAM Red Cloud appeared in a dream— no warning, no words, head unbowed, spirit free, crying out, silently. “Creatures beware! What was done to my people is turning back on your league.” Red Cloud appeared in a dream— defender, protector of life, land, and liberty. Prophesy, warrior chief, bold truth declare midst treaties broken and breached, victories and tragic defeats! Red Cloud appeared in a dream— same vision for Earth, for its fate, flowing tears: mountains gone, rising seas— critters take care— dying rivers, chopped down trees, lands grabbed by power’s rampant greed. Red Cloud appeared in a dream— eyes open and wise— lasering poverty, violence and disease, heartbreak’s despair, shattered lives and families. Is this how Life is to be? Red Cloud disappeared from a dream— his wisdom still heard, his presence lingering, call for justice and peace— no time to spare— seventh generation to reach to build Earth’s new community. ejhs/8/05/12

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November 3
by Ellie Stock via Dialogue 04 Nov '16

04 Nov '16

Yay, Cubbies! (Sorry to my Cleveland relatives). Nail biter but a great game to watch. 1 of only 6 teams to come back from a 3 game deficit and win the World Series.. Best record proved to be right. Praying with Standing Rock... Ellie elliestock(a)aol.com

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