[Oe List ...] Listserve on prayer, 2-story universe, etc.

[Susan Fertig via OE]

If we're operating out of experience, mine is just different than yours. So, just as I'm not likely to change anybody's mind on this listserv, none of the comments here are likely to change mine. I know what I know. I believe what I believe.

Someone actually accused people who believe what I believe of "shallowness" and "superstition."
Interesting that in my church of about 3,000 congregants, some of the greatest minds in a city rife with intellect, scientific or from other disciplines, engage with God in a way you'd all probably laugh about. But of course we are all deficient intellectually in the minds of people who have dismissed this way of looking at relationship with God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit.
Superstition is avoiding black cats and walking under ladders. It bears no resemblance to my faith.
My experience of the other world is as real as my hand in front of my face.

Susan

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From: OE [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Isobel and Jim Bishop via OE
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:27 PM
To: Jack Gilles <jackcgilles at gmail.com>; Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Listserve on prayer, 2-story universe, etc.


Isobel and  Jim Bishop
isobeljimbish at optusnet.com.au<mailto:isobeljimbish at optusnet.com.au>

Dear Folks, especially Jack,

I too am grateful that the list serve is still ticking over!  I  have observed  over the years I have been reading this listserve- that in the summer months in the northern hemisphere- you all are quieter, and don' t  engage so much.. I have always thought to myself

that this is because you like to be outdoors, enjoying your summer....? In the winter months when you don' t go out so much, you seem to stay by your computer more often and write pearls of wisdom....Just my observation  from  down here in Oz.

Yes, I listened to Joe's lecture and it brought back so many memories.

I thought he described the two storey universe well. I hope that Susan found it useful.

Nowadays I think what Joe was saying to me--  can best be described as the connectedness of ALL of life-  both at the very  centre of my life, and in the cosmos, and  in the urban, secular everyday life  of connecting with the world and all that is within it.

... and   at  the edges too. ...the farthest reaches of the planet. I did notice that the last few words of Joe's talk included ' all of Creation itself.' This made me realise that Joe was way ahead of his time, talking about Creation....

A word about prayer...   Some time ago, on the list serve there was some reference to prayer- and Jim Weigel gave a small description of it-  as ' leaning to the good'.  I don't  know if this helps others, but it helped me at the time, and I still reflect on these

words. I do feel that good vibes which I empathise about a situation;  can bring gentleness and calmness to a situation, be it a person, or a situation.

Enough from me from Leichhardt, an inner west suburb of Sydney.

Jim is well-  has just had had both his caratacts renewed, and will be  87 next month. I am 80, and still very active. We do lots of walking and exercises etc.,

Our daughter Rebecca, a US citizen, will be voting again in your  Election,  I reckon. It is quite scary from this viewpoint.

All the best to y'all,

and with grace, peace, and love,

from   Isobel.





On 20/09/2016, at 1:57 AM, Jack Gilles via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:


There should be a request to share the ability to open. But if you see a 'download' arrow, do that and then download the link that allows you to listen to Goole.doc sound tracks. I couldn't open my post as well, but I did that and it plays just fine. It opens another window with the player. I hope others find that works for them as well.

Jack


On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:54, Doris Hahn via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:

I tried to access Jack's sharing of JWM on 2-story universe, but it is locked. How do I get in?

Doris Hahn
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