[Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 21, Issue 5
David Flowers
dwgflowers at gmail.com
Thu Dec 5 11:01:32 PST 2013
I'm a little appalled at the blithe perpetration of degrading racial
stereotypes by recent posts regarding the photo of a Black man (dressed
pretty normally in an era appropriate casual suit) - I had a similar suit
in Blue and was not considered pimpish.
The guy looks like my brother-in-law.
Did you bother to read the caption? And if you did, why did you dismiss it
out of hand ? Because of some memory "feelings" of some kind?
And we wonder why our prisons are packed to the gills with Black men.
Black man / white girl still gets you arrested in this country.
Hmmm.
Don't get me wrong - feelings are important.
Unconsciously casting and perpetrating generalized judgements based on
feelings .... is a game only the privileged of this country clearly benefit
from.
David Flowers
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> 1. Re: Photos from Uptown in 1970s (Marge Philbrook)
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> 3. 12/05/13, Spong: America's Health Care Debate and What it
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> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 20:38:32 -0600
> From: Marge Philbrook <msphilbrook at gmail.com>
> To: Shelley Hahn <shelley.l.hahn at gmail.com>
> Cc: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Photos from Uptown in 1970s
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> As one who currently lives and works in Uptown, I'd like to say that lots
> of these areas look familiar today, that we were wise to stay out of the
> neighborhood as much as possible 40 years ago, that all of us have many
> stories we could tell about Uptown.
>
> I was on the development team that visited this building to decide whether
> to recommend accepting this gift. I remember Phll Townley, Fred Buss and I
> and I'm no sure who else came to look at it and decided it would be a
> usable gift. I remember that the 100 of us who didn't have small school
> children moved in from the alley during a night, bringing our personal
> belongings and our mattresses only - We intended to sleep on the top of
> desks in the various rooms on all the floors in the building and use filing
> cabinets for dressers..
>
> I remember that the restaurant in our building at the corner of Lawrence
> and Sheridan was closed and we used that as our kitchen and dining room. I
> remember there were only two showers in the building one on 4 and one on 8
> so we named one "men" and one "women" and waited in line to shower. There
> was and still is a shower in the basement which some people used.
>
> I better stop this but I think it would be great for several of us to look
> at this man's book and bring back our memories of living here in the 70s.
> We always felt lucky to have a parking lot.
>
> Marge Philbrook
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Shelley Hahn <shelley.l.hahn at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Jann, I had exactly the same reaction to that photo. It was not about
> > race for me at all. I saw all the pimps and pimp-mobiles around Uptown
> > back in the day ... and that is what this guy reminded me of. I have a
> > very bad feeling about what might have happened to that little girl and
> her
> > mother. I hope I'm wrong.
> >
> > Shelley
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 1:27 PM, <LAURELCG at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm grateful to Shelley for sharing this. Now I realize how little I
> >> really got out into the neighborhood
> >>
> >> These pictures are amazing and so is the text, written by a good-hearted
> >> man with an artist's eye.
> >>
> >> I want to make one comment. The author called both white and black
> >> people's visceral reaction to the image of the black man hugging the
> little
> >> white girl racist. I disagree. The creep factor isn't racism. The
> >> expression on the girl's face makes me think he was a pimp. The picture
> >> nauseated me. Learning how much trafficking goes on has made me more
> aware.
> >>
> >> There are many stories in those pictures,aren't there?
> >>
> >> Thank you again, Shelley.
> >>
> >> Blessings,
> >> Jann McGuire
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> Yes, it would be good to hear early memories of moving into 4750 and
> Uptown.
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> I was working with Phil Townley at the time, and accompanied him to
> a council meeting which was to provide permission for us to make the
> move. They asked all sorts of questions about who we were, and I was
> furiously scribbling answers for Phil to give. He thoroughly ignored
> everything I wrote (wisely, it turned out). We got the permission and
> moved in.
>
> One feature of the early days was security: someone was posted in the
> Guild Hall at night and had to check the door to the back alley every
> hour. The noises of a near-empty building at night made for
> nerve-wracking times. It wasn't ghosts that were scary -- one felt
> almost able to handle them, It was what was outside that created the
> unease.
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> The rooms were office spaces, and some had walls; the rest had file
> cabinets as dividers with curtains hung from the ceiling. Privacy was
> hard to come by. But work space was ample on the first floor, and for
> the first time, many of us had actual desks and file cabinets!
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> It would be good to hear stories from others who made the move.
>
> John Epps
>
> At 07:38 PM 12/4/2013, Marge Philbrook wrote:
> >As one who currently lives and works in Uptown, I'd like to say that
> >lots of these areas look familiar today, that we were wise to stay
> >out of the neighborhood as much as possible 40 years ago, that all
> >of us have many stories we could tell about Uptown.
> >
> >I was on the development team that visited this building to decide
> >whether to recommend accepting this gift. I remember Phll Townley,
> >Fred Buss and I and I'm no sure who else came to look at it and
> >decided it would be a usable gift. I remember that the 100 of
> >us who didn't have small school children moved in from the alley
> >during a night, bringing our personal belongings and our mattresses
> >only - We intended to sleep on the top of desks in the various rooms
> >on all the floors in the building and use filing cabinets for dressers..
> >
> >I remember that the restaurant in our building at the corner of
> >Lawrence and Sheridan was closed and we used that as our kitchen and
> >dining room. I remember there were only two showers in the building
> >one on 4 and one on 8 so we named one "men" and one "women" and
> >waited in line to shower. There was and still is a shower in the
> >basement which some people used.
> >
> >I better stop this but I think it would be great for several of us
> >to look at this man's book and bring back our memories of living
> >here in the 70s. We always felt lucky to have a parking lot.
> >
> >Marge Philbrook
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Shelley Hahn
> ><<mailto:shelley.l.hahn at gmail.com>shelley.l.hahn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >Jann, I had exactly the same reaction to that photo. It was not
> >about race for me at all. I saw all the pimps and pimp-mobiles
> >around Uptown back in the day ... and that is what this guy reminded
> >me of. I have a very bad feeling about what might have happened to
> >that little girl and her mother. I hope I'm wrong.
> >
> >Shelley
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 1:27 PM,
> ><<mailto:LAURELCG at aol.com>LAURELCG at aol.com> wrote:
> >I'm grateful to Shelley for sharing this. Now I realize how little I
> >really got out into the neighborhood
> >
> >These pictures are amazing and so is the text, written by a
> >good-hearted man with an artist's eye.
> >
> >I want to make one comment. The author called both white and black
> >people's visceral reaction to the image of the black man hugging the
> >little white girl racist. I disagree. The creep factor isn't racism.
> >The expression on the girl's face makes me think he was a pimp. The
> >picture nauseated me. Learning how much trafficking goes on has made
> >me more aware.
> >
> >There are many stories in those pictures,aren't there?
> >
> >Thank you again, Shelley.
> >
> >Blessings,
> >Jann McGuire
> >
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> America's Health Care Debate and What it Reveals
> Every nation I visited on my recent European lecture tour has a National
> Health System, paid for by tax dollars and run for all the people by the
> government itself. Contrary to the propaganda of the American political
> right, these health services are well run and enormously popular in both
> conservative and liberal circles. The citizens in these democracies assume
> that health care is a right, guaranteed by the state to all. It is not a
> perk of the workplace, available only to those who are employed. It is an
> asset of citizenship. So Europe?s leaders and its citizens across the
> political spectrum viewed the recent American episode in political
> brinkmanship, which attempted to defund the Affordable Care Act, as the act
> of an adolescent America, demonstrating yet again that its leaders are not
> mature enough to govern the world?s most powerful nation. Sometimes it is
> salutary to see our nation through the eyes of others. To them America?s
> Tea Party leaders were refusing to address
> the social problems that plagued Europe in the 19th century, problems
> made quite vivid by the novels of Charles Dickens!
> The idea that a few of the Congressional majority would actually force
> America into default and bankruptcy, bringing on, the Europeans feared, a
> world wide depression in order to stop people from getting health care,
> left them disillusioned with America?s political leadership.
> I share that anger and view with alarm not only the behavior of the Tea
> Party leaders, but also that of the moderate wing of the Republican Party
> for not standing up to the bullying, almost neo-Nazi like tactics, of these
> right wing extremists. Have we as a nation really come to the place where
> one of our two major political parties is willing to let the poor, who have
> no insurance, die because they can?t afford treatment? Are we now so
> individualistic as a nation that we will refuse to act out any sense of
> corporate responsibility toward the less fortunate of this land? Are we
> willing to say that people who have pre-existing medical conditions cannot
> buy health insurance? Have we come to the place where we act as if medical
> care is only the privilege of the wealthy? The stated propaganda, recycled
> through every right wing politician, that the United States has the best
> health care in the world is challenged by the facts. It also reveals how
> little privileged politicians know
> about the real world of America?s poor. There is not one single category
> in which U.S. health care is statistically the best in the world when the
> entire population is averaged in! What we do have is the most expensive
> health care in the world, but America?s patients get less bang for their
> buck than in any other developed nation.
> Too many people feed at the trough of the American practice of medicine.
> The drug companies sell drugs to every other country of the world at a
> lower rate than they sell them in America. Trial lawyers, who live off
> suing doctors and hospitals, also add to the costs of our system of health
> care. Medical equipment builders and suppliers want independent hospitals
> to compete for their state of the art devices, even though they reach a
> saturation point in urban areas and once they are purchased, the doctors
> are encouraged to use them whether competent care calls for that test or
> not. The medical profession itself has become for many doctors not a
> vocation in which they serve, but a position that can and does make them
> quite wealthy. Is an income of over a million dollars a year necessary for
> some doctors to provide good health care? I am not anti-doctor. I know
> quite well the high cost of a medical education and the years of very low
> salaries as an intern or a resident, but shoul
> d there be no limit on how much profit anyone can make on the sicknesses
> of our fellow citizens? Should paying dividends to shareholders or massive
> salaries to executives of Health Care Companies be a necessary or even a
> moral component in delivering health care to the masses of our citizens?
> The same Congress who tried to defund the Affordable Care Act has also
> refused to consider increasing taxes on those whose ordinary income exceeds
> a million dollars a year; they have refused to cap insurance settlements
> awarded by juries in malpractice cases; they have balked at closing
> loopholes, which make it possible for the secretaries of doctors to pay a
> higher percentage of their incomes in taxes than do the doctors, and they
> have made no effort to reign in the excessive profits of the health care
> corporations or the medical device businesses. There is something ethically
> wrong when the political passion is to provide tax cover for wealthy people
> while at the same time trying to gut the health care of ordinary Americans.
> It is scary as well.
> I listened in vain to the Tea Party congressmen, to Senator Ted Cruz of
> Texas and to those who supported their efforts to hear what alternative
> they had to offer, if they actually had succeeded in defunding and thus
> killing the Affordable Care Act. The fact is that they have no alternative
> to offer and when pressed on this glaring omission, they fall back on
> slogans like ?self insurance? that have long ago failed, leaving some 40
> million United States citizens, most of them women and children, without
> insurance and thus without significant health care.
> When we clear away the political rhetoric and propaganda, there are only
> three alternatives for providing health care to the citizens of this
> country. One is to create a National Health Care System that includes every
> one and is funded by tax dollars and run by the government. This is the
> system adopted by every developed nation in the world except the United
> States. Critics marshal their arguments against this system which, when
> examined and tested by experience, are blatantly not true. ?No government
> can run anything competently,? they say. Yet Medicare is a government run
> health care program that patients and doctors alike applaud. ?You will have
> no choice in how you are treated or by whom,? is another incorrect
> fear-mongering attack. The fact is that the insurance companies dictate to
> us the doctors who are in their system that we are allowed to see. ?Death
> panels will be set up and life or death decisions will be made by
> bureaucrats.? That was the Sarah Palin line. It is
> also blatantly untrue and it is little more than fear being peddled by
> people with a vested interest to protect. There comes a time when life and
> death decisions must be made. A ?Living Will? is one way to do that and the
> choice to do so is always in the hands of the patient. If we could get past
> our fears, there are many advantages to a national health care system. Its
> focus is on health maintenance and prevention, not on treating the disease
> once contracted. There is a tremendous saving in a single payer plan.
> For many in the United States, however, such a plan smacks of ?socialized
> medicine? and even though that response is both irrational and uninformed,
> it is nonetheless powerful. That is why in the United States alone, some
> method that will provide universal health care through private corporations
> has been cobbled together. To do it this way is enormously complicated,
> which then allows its critics to castigate it for the red tape and
> complicated decision-making by bureaucrats rather than by doctors. If
> medical care is to be run as a free enterprise, profit-making system, the
> health corporations will of necessity be forced to control costs. The free
> market is designed to insure profit to share holders. So you can?t have it
> both ways.
> The Affordable Care Act passed in the first two years of the Obama
> administration was in fact patterned on a plan developed by the Heritage
> Foundation, a conservative Republican think tank. Its original purpose was
> to counter any attempt to build a national health care service. It was
> adopted first by the state of Massachusetts under the leadership of
> Republican Governor Mitt Romney. In order to work, it requires universal
> enrollment or a fine paid by those who do not enroll. Everyone, including
> the young and healthy, must be in the system to keep costs down. If young
> people can opt out of the system it will simply collapse financially. The
> trade off is that people pay when they are young to be able to afford
> health care when they are old. To mitigate against the price shock to the
> young, a provision was added to the law to enable young people to stay on
> their parent?s heath care plan until age 26, if they were still living at
> home either unemployed or working on a graduate d
> egree. It also requires that exotic health care practices be regulated.
> An enormous percentage of every health care dollar is spent in the last
> year of a person?s life. Decisions will have to be made as to when we are
> prolonging life and when we are simply postponing death. That fact of life,
> faced everyday in every hospital in this land, is what politicians use to
> spread fear of death panels and ?allowing Grandma to die.? A mature society
> must be willing to define the moment when meaningful life comes to an end.
> If there is no universal national health care system then this privately
> run, for profit, health care bill is the only alternative. The Affordable
> Care Act represents this alternative. The Tea Party wing of the Republican
> Party would not tolerate a national health program and now apparently they
> are not willing to tolerate a privately run health care program either.
> They want to defund this ?disaster? before it can get established. Fair
> enough, we say, then what is your alternative? They have none! They propose
> none! So what does that mean? It means that they desire that health care be
> available only to those who can afford it! That is the inevitable result if
> this part of the Republican Party has its way. Health care thus becomes an
> asset that only the well-to-do can enjoy. The rest will depend on charity,
> the good will of a few doctors or the beneficence of a patron. Those who
> want to defund the Affordable Care Act surely must know that this is their
> only alternative.
> Can the Affordable Health Care Act be improved? Of course, but that will
> have to be accomplished through the legislative process. The bulldozer
> tactics of the Tea Party will never accomplish reform. So this nation?s
> choice is either to make the Affordable Care Act work or to embrace the
> only cruel alternative that remains. I am sick of ideologically-driven
> politicians who do not know or admit the consequences of their own
> outrageous rhetoric.
> ~John Shelby Spong
> Read the essay online here.
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> Alice Smith of Chattanooga, Tennessee, writes:
> Question:
> Your columns are always thought provoking and filled with such wisdom.
> Thanks for sharing your incredible knowledge and insight with us. I was
> thrilled when you came to Chattanooga several years ago and I actually got
> to hear you in person at Grace Church. A recent column reminded me of one
> you wrote last summer right before my granddaughter was to be baptized. In
> last summer?s column you wrote about performing a baptism and being struck
> with the language used in the baptismal service.
> I have been a member of the Church of the Good Shepherd in Chattanooga for
> over 40 years, but I have to admit I was a little surprised when my son,
> who lives with his wife and daughter in California, said he wanted to have
> his daughter baptized here in the church where he grew up. Although he is a
> very spiritual person, he hasn?t attended church for years. I myself rarely
> attend services at our church because when hearing the liturgy and reciting
> the creeds, I feel as if I am being forced to wear shoes that I have
> outgrown and that feel several sizes too small. I am eternally grateful,
> however, that the church allows our dream group to meet there and
> encourages our ?sacred studies? group to hold weekend workshops there as
> well. I have thanked our priest on more than one occasion for being open to
> letting me and the others explore our spirituality in unconventional ways.
> Back to my granddaughter?s baptism. We couldn?t have the service in the
> church because there are only certain Sundays used for joint baptisms and
> their visit didn?t fall on one of those Sundays. We decided to have the
> service at a family cabin on a lake in the woods and a friend of mine, who
> is an Episcopal priest, but has no parish, agreed to perform the baptism.
> When she sent the service to my son to read, he said he didn?t like it
> because there was way too much talk about sin. It was right about this time
> that your column came out so I sent it to him. He agreed with everything
> you said! My priest friend then sent him the Australian service which she
> thought might be more to his liking. The mention of sin in this version was
> a turn off as well. He said all they wanted to do was to introduce their
> daughter to God?s love. The priest was bound by her vows to use some form
> of Episcopal liturgy so my son went online and found a pastor in
> Chattanooga from the Unity Church who was
> thrilled over performing the service. It was his first baptism and he
> wrote the service himself. It was absolutely glorious!
> You have opened up a monumentally important topic in that column and
> closed with the question, ?What can we do about it?? I await your response
> with an open mind and eager anticipation.
>
> Answer:
> Dear Alice,
> First, may I say that I am delighted you found the Unity Church. That
> group of Christians seems to me to be moving in the path that the church of
> the future must move and I applaud them. I think they are leading in the
> direction that more mainline churches will inevitably go in the future.
> Traditional religious concepts, however, die slowly and sometimes only
> after exhausting themselves in denial and irrelevance.
> The major problem with most baptism liturgies, including those of my own
> church, is that they were developed as the cure for a diagnosis that is
> simply wrong. They assume the pre-modern mythology that there was in the
> beginning an original perfection of which originally perfect human beings
> were a part. That is portrayed biblically in the story of the perfection in
> the mythical Garden of Eden. According to this biblical story, however,
> that perfection was broken by human disobedience, which in turn plunged
> human beings and the whole world into original sin. That is portrayed in
> the biblical story of the fall and subsequent banishment of the first human
> family from the Garden of Eden. It was this story that formed the original
> theological framework in which baptism has been cast. It postulates an
> originally perfect creation, which was ruined by original sin. Apart from
> the cleansing waters of baptism, life is doomed to be lived apart from God.
> That is why the church once taugh
> t that unbaptized babies suffered in hell for all eternity. That idea was
> so repugnant that in time it was modified and ?Limbo for unbaptized
> children? was developed. This Limbo was not a place of eternal punishment,
> but it was a place where its inhabitants were forever denied the vision of
> God?s presence.
> This theology turns God into a monster who does not know how to forgive.
> The primary desire of this God is to punish unless this God can rescue.
> This theology turns Jesus into the ultimate victim of God?s wrath. Jesus
> had to pay the price that God required for our sins. It turns you and me
> into guilt-filled victims. The good news, however, is that this theology is
> based on presuppositions that are being dismissed increasingly because they
> are simply wrong.
> There was no original perfection. There was rather a long and complicated
> evolution from matter, to life, to consciousness, to self-consciousness. If
> there was no original perfection, there could have been no fall from
> perfection, so original sin is simply wrong and it has got to go. If there
> was no fall into sin, then seeing Jesus as the savior who rescues us from
> the fall that never happened, to restore us to a status that we have never
> possessed, becomes absolute nonsense. We must develop a new way to tell the
> Christ story.
> Human life is not fallen, it is incomplete. We do not need a savior, we
> need the love and affirmation that accepts us as we are and empowers us to
> be all that we are capable of being. Your son?s comment that all he wanted
> to do was to introduce his daughter to the love of God is dead accurate.
> That is what baptism is supposed to be about.
> I did a baptism several weeks ago in my church in Morristown and before I
> began, I tried to defang the baptismal liturgy. We still have a long way to
> go. I encourage clergy in all traditions to work on the theology and
> liturgy of baptism. Until those liturgies are changed, I urge parents to
> get past the words of most baptismal liturgies until you find the words
> ?Bring them to the fullness of God?s peace and glory.? That is what baptism
> is all about.
> ~John Shelby Spong
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2013 11:14:05 -0600
> From: "Sarah H. Buss" <shbuss at mac.com>
> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>
> Cc: shb.poetry at gmail.com
> Subject: [Oe List ...] Fwd: [Dialogue] Fwd: WHOLE BK CVR 2nd book
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> Sent from my iPad
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> > From: "Sarah H. Buss" <shbuss at mac.com>
> > Date: December 5, 2013 at 7:34:27 AM CST
> > To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> > Cc: "shb.poetry at gmail.com" <shb.poetry at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [Dialogue] Fwd: WHOLE BK CVR 2nd book
> > Colleagues,
> > To simplify distribution, my second book of poetry Love Letters to a
> Mirage in the Desert,
> > Is available only at
> > Book People
> > 603 North Lamar
> > Austin, TX 78703
> > 512/472-5050
> > 1/800/853-9757
> > $12.95. 124 pages
> > First 30 copies purchased are signed.
> > If you want to let me know that you have purchased one
> > email me at shb.poetry at gmail.com
> > I did not make Thanksgiving , but it is still in time for Christmas .
> > Enjoy
> > Sarah
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> > Sent from my iPad
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> >> From: Rebecca Arthur <re.byrdb at gmail.com>
> >> Date: November 13, 2013 at 2:08:32 PM CST
> >> To: Sarah Buss <sbuss at austin.rr.com>
> >> Cc: "Sherrell, Terry" <terry.sherrell at 1touchpoint.com>
> >> Subject: WHOLE BK CVR
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