[Oe List ...] Fwd: more Moore!

[Sherwood Shankland]

Thanks for this dialogue.just one comment on the method : Using the term
"vs." connotes "either-or"; and assume a degree of duality of separate
ideas.a perfectly valid approach to dialogue.  We can also use "both-and".
Think of a venn diagram with, for example, Power in one circle and Energy in
the other.and then add the area of overlap to the discussion. The some
additional questions arise: What is the energy of power? and; Where is the
power of energy? 

 

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[mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of R Williams
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 6:52 AM
To: Order Ecumenical Community
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Fwd: more Moore!

 

Jann,

 

This may be just a word game with little practical worth.  But it is
reflective and at least mildly expansive of the imagination.  John Cock and
I have been having a running conversation on "power vs. energy."  I keep
saying, among other differences, that power is bestowed from outside (title,
position, money) and energy is invoked from within (inspired, inspiritus, of
the spirit.)  Had not thought of drawing a distinction between power and
force.

 

On the antithesis of compassion, I've been thinking more on what John Epps
said about everyone cares.  I know that's true, but maybe it is also true
that we priortize our care and from time to time we may care more about self
than we care about the other, in which case the opposite could be
egocentricity.  Using Merton's insight about compassion as the awareness of
interdependence, maybe to not be aware of interdependence is what we meant
when we talked about the contradiction of individualistic overemphasis.  So
maybe the opposite of compassion is individualism.  I'm even thinking that
caring for that which does not ultimate deserve care is a form of idolatry,
so maybe the opposite of compassion is idolatry.

 

As you may sense, all these are more questions than statements of any kind
of certainty.

 

Randy

 

   

 

"Whatever the problem, community is the answer.  There is no power greater
than a community discovering what it cares about."  Margaret Wheatley

 

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Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Fwd: more Moore!

 

I've been contemplating what it means to live in Oneness, in the  UNI-verse,
especially since reading Power vs. Force David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D. He
says there is no opposite of Love. There is Love and the absence of Love.
So care-less-ness, obliviousness, unconsciousness, numbness, ignorance are
all manifestations of the absence of compassion. In a way, it's a word game,
but I find it helpful. Hope you do. 

 

Blessings,

Jann

 

In a message dated 12/30/2012 9:31:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
geowanda at earthlink.net writes:

On Dec 30, 2012, at 11:09 AM, R Williams <rcwmbw at yahoo.com> wrote:

John,

 

Of course you are correct about care.  Ever since I saw Thomas Merton's
quote, "Compassion is the keen awareness of the interdependence of all
living things," I've tried to articulate for myself what would be the
opposite of compassion as arrogance is of humility and greed is of
gratitude.  I've thought of obliviousness, unconsciousness, numbness,
ignorance?  My using care-less-ness was really a take off on what John
McKnight describes in his book The Careless Society.  None of these
completely does it for me, so give me some help here.  What would be the
opposite, or antithesis, of compassion?  Would appreciate your insight.
Anyone else care to jump in on this?

 

Randy


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