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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for this dialogue…just one comment on the method : Using the term “vs.” connotes “either-or”; and assume a degree of duality of separate ideas…a perfectly valid approach to dialogue. We can also use “both-and”. Think of a venn diagram with, for example, Power in one circle and Energy in the other…and then add the area of overlap to the discussion. The some additional questions arise: What is the energy of power? and; Where is the power of energy? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>R Williams<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 31, 2012 6:52 AM<br><b>To:</b> Order Ecumenical Community<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Oe List ...] Fwd: more Moore!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Jann,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>This may be just a word game with little practical worth. But it is reflective and at least mildly expansive of the imagination. John Cock and I have been having a running conversation on "power vs. energy." I keep saying, among other differences, that power is bestowed from outside (title, position, money) and energy is invoked from within (inspired, <em><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>inspiritus</span></em>, of the spirit.) Had not thought of drawing a distinction between power and force.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>On the antithesis of compassion, I've been thinking more on what John Epps said about everyone cares. I know that's true, but maybe it is also true that we priortize our care and from time to time we may care more about self than we care about the other, in which case the opposite could be egocentricity. Using Merton's insight about compassion as the awareness of interdependence, maybe to <u>not</u> be aware of interdependence is what we meant when we talked about the contradiction of individualistic overemphasis. So maybe the opposite of compassion is individual<u>ism</u>. I'm even thinking that caring for that which does not ultimate deserve care is a form of idolatry, so maybe the opposite of compassion is idolatry.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>As you may sense, all these are more questions than statements of any kind of certainty.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Randy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><i><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>"Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." </span></i><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Margaret Wheatley<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> "<a href="mailto:LAURELCG@aol.com">LAURELCG@aol.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:LAURELCG@aol.com">LAURELCG@aol.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:00 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Oe List ...] Fwd: more Moore!</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv1546235059><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I've been contemplating what it means to live in Oneness, in the UNI-verse, especially since reading <em><b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Power vs. Force </span></b></em>David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D. He says there is no opposite of Love. There is Love and the absence of Love. So care-less-ness, obliviousness, unconsciousness, numbness, ignorance are all manifestations of the absence of compassion. In a way, it's a word game, but I find it helpful. Hope you do. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Blessings,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Jann<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>In a message dated 12/30/2012 9:31:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, <a href="mailto:geowanda@earthlink.net">geowanda@earthlink.net</a> writes:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On Dec 30, 2012, at 11:09 AM, R Williams <<a href="mailto:rcwmbw@yahoo.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:rcwmbw@yahoo.com">rcwmbw@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>John,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Of course you are correct about care. Ever since I saw Thomas Merton's quote, "Compassion is the keen awareness of the interdependence of all living things," I've tried to articulate for myself what would be the opposite of compassion as arrogance is of humility and greed is of gratitude. I've thought of obliviousness, unconsciousness, numbness, ignorance? My using care-less-ness was really a take off on what John McKnight describes in his book <i>The Careless Society. </i>None of these completely does it for me, so give me some help here. What would be the opposite, or antithesis, of compassion? Would appreciate your insight. Anyone else care to jump in on this?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Randy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote></blockquote></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>OE mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>