[Oe List ...] Fwd: more Moore!

Mon Dec 31 07:18:18 PST 2012

I am of the opinion our American culture prefers the binary approach to
things: winner loser, black white, yes no--all somewhat versus.

I prefer to think of spectrums and the along one line there are two ends.
For instance for me, the love spectrum has love at one end and ignorance at
the other, as in the Amish culture where the last thing you want to have
happen to you is to be shamed.

And to John's point about we all care. I believe we all care. However, to
care comprehensively takes a great deal of spiritual muscle, or as Ken
Wilber would say, takes advancing to higher levels of consciousness. To
move to ever greater levels of consciousness, is to increase one's boundary
of care/compassion until we embrace all of life as it is. Until I get to
that point, I may not care for broccoli, or Muslims, or or or. It is not
that I don't care, it is that I have not grown in wisdom and understanding
and my care has limits.

I grew up thinking the two ends of this spectrum were love and hate. As I
have grown older I have changed my mind.

Compassion at one end and maybe hate at the other end. What replaces
compassion (the ability to accept a person as they are) as ones compassion
decreases?

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Sherwood Shankland <
sherwoodshankland at comcast.net> wrote:

> Thanks for this dialogue…just one comment on the method : Using the term
> “vs.” connotes “either-or”; and assume a degree of duality of separate
> ideas…a perfectly valid approach to dialogue.  We can also use “both-and”.
> Think of a venn diagram with, for example, Power in one circle and Energy
> in the other…and then add the area of overlap to the discussion. The some
> additional questions arise: What is the energy of power? and; Where is the
> power of energy? ****
>
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> *From:* oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:
> oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] *On Behalf Of *R Williams
> *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2012 6:52 AM
> *To:* Order Ecumenical Community
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> *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] Fwd: more Moore!****
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> Jann,****
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>  ****
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> This may be just a word game with little practical worth.  But it
> is reflective and at least mildly expansive of the imagination.  John Cock
> and I have been having a running conversation on "power vs. energy."  I
> keep saying, among other differences, that power is bestowed from outside
> (title, position, money) and energy is invoked from within (inspired, *
> inspiritus*, of the spirit.)  Had not thought of drawing a distinction
> between power and force.****
>
>  ****
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> On the antithesis of compassion, I've been thinking more on what John Epps
> said about everyone cares.  I know that's true, but maybe it is also true
> that we priortize our care and from time to time we may care more about
> self than we care about the other, in which case the opposite could be
> egocentricity.  Using Merton's insight about compassion as the awareness of
> interdependence, maybe to *not* be aware of interdependence is what we
> meant when we talked about the contradiction of individualistic
> overemphasis.  So maybe the opposite of compassion is individual*ism*.
> I'm even thinking that caring for that which does not ultimate deserve care
> is a form of idolatry, so maybe the opposite of compassion is idolatry.***
> *
>
>  ****
>
> As you may sense, all these are more questions than statements of any kind
> of certainty.****
>
>  ****
>
> Randy****
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>  ****
>
>    ****
>
>  ****
>
> *"Whatever the problem, community is the answer.  There is no power
> greater than a community discovering what it cares about."  *Margaret
> Wheatley****
>
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>
> *From:* "LAURELCG at aol.com" <LAURELCG at aol.com>
> *To:* oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:00 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] Fwd: more Moore!****
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> I've been contemplating what it means to live in Oneness, in the
> UNI-verse, especially since reading *Power vs. Force *David R. Hawkins,
> M.D., Ph.D. He says there is no opposite of Love. There is Love and the
> absence of Love.  So care-less-ness, obliviousness, unconsciousness,
> numbness, ignorance are all manifestations of the absence of compassion. In
> a way, it's a word game, but I find it helpful. Hope you do. ****
>
>  ****
>
> Blessings,****
>
> Jann****
>
>  ****
>
> In a message dated 12/30/2012 9:31:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> geowanda at earthlink.net writes:****
>
> On Dec 30, 2012, at 11:09 AM, R Williams <rcwmbw at yahoo.com> wrote:****
>
> John,****
>
>  ****
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> Of course you are correct about care.  Ever since I saw Thomas Merton's
> quote, "Compassion is the keen awareness of the interdependence of all
> living things," I've tried to articulate for myself what would be the
> opposite of compassion as arrogance is of humility and greed is of
> gratitude.  I've thought of obliviousness, unconsciousness,
> numbness, ignorance?  My using care-less-ness was really a take off on what
> John McKnight describes in his book *The Careless Society.  *None of
> these completely does it for me, so give me some help here.  What would be
> the opposite, or antithesis, of compassion?  Would appreciate your
> insight.  Anyone else care to jump in on this?****
>
>  ****
>
> Randy****
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