I'll attempt the family expansion. Anything beyond the individual, obviously has a component of those who ground themselves transparently in the power and those who don't. The family exists in a connection with all other families. The choices that the family makes acknowledge/affirm/deny their connection with and flow between other families. The family creates narratives of meaning about their choices and the resulting consequences...yes our choices are good, or no they are not good. The family can then look at all the consequences and choices and narratives of meaning and good and bad and embrace them (Yes) and thereby connect with the comprehensive known and unknown reality they exist in, or deny (No) part or all and experience no connection to the gift of life they have been given, and be fear filled victims. Moses, Bultman, and SK all speak of G-O-D in terms of experience and energy. *Grounded transparently in the power that posits-*energized by the life flowing through them without resistance, transparently for all to see, including my seeing of myself. To be a family then, to know my family-ness, is to drink at the well of my relationship to all the consequences of all my choices I made with parents and children and all my family and know there is no good or bad, only what is and the story my family tells about us....transparently with a YES to all of it. I am going to be scheduling zoom sessions to talk about affordable housing and create a network of affordable housing leaders. I'll get back to y'all about the application of SK to community in a year or two. And I would welcome anyone who would like to join that conversation to reach out to me. 828-292-9696 On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 7:59 PM James Wiegel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
WELL, NOT MUCH GOING ON AROUND THE COLLEAGUE NETWORK THIS EVENING, EH?
Thanks for the quickness. . . . I find myself using this quote as a formula:
"The self is a relation; that relates itself to itself; and in willing to be that relation; grounds itself transparently in the power that posits it." The organization is a relation that . . The team is a relation that . . . The family is a relation that. . . . The neighborhood is a relation that . . . A city is a relation that. . . .
Do such substitutions seem helpful? Are they at all connected with SK's insight??
"The self is a relation; that relates itself to itself; and in willing to be that relation; grounds itself transparently in the power that posits it."
Jim Wiegel
“We are all time travelers journeying into the future. But let us make that future a place we want to visit. “ Stephen Hawking
On Jul 9, 2024, at 6:25 PM, W. J. via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
I associate the famous SK quote with Joe Pierce, who used the self-reflective arrows showing the relation we take to the boxes that box us in -- to interpret SK (as far as I got it way back in the Dark Ages of RS-1 pedagogy) as saying that the Self is a self-conscious embracing (or the failure/conscious or unconscious decision NOT to embrace! -- which is the abandonment of the possibility of fully being one's Self!) of the givenness of "consciousness of consciousness of consciousness" which is the Decisional level of being willing to have fully and without reservation the god damned life that you've been given and have showed up with in the body that you embody. Or something like that. Sometimes I think that Pierce & Company were *interpreting* SK and putting their own spin on what he meant with his quote. So if SK cracked open the door, we grabbed his insight and charged through it like a mighty army. Or something like that. Marshall
On Tuesday, July 9, 2024 at 07:27:29 PM EDT, Don Bushman via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
I wonder if this quote is the source of the accountability answer of "Yes and No" or "No and Yes"?
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On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 5:12 PM Judi White via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Fear and Trembling and the Sickness Unto Death was translated into English in 1941. When he 1st published it and otherbooks about the Self, he was illuminating the inner landscape (reflective, interpretive) ignored by the style of teacing and sermonizing of the times(objective) esp. Literal interpretation of the rich mythology of the scriptures. John Cok, shuffled it all and added Decisional while teaching courses onthe West Side. I can see where SK opened the door for psychiatry to develop in the previous century. Judi
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 6:54 PM Judi White <judiwhite070@gmail.com> wrote:
Really?
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 6:37 PM James Wiegel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
I keep remembering "The self is a relation; that relates itself to itself; and in willing to be that relation; grounds itself transparently in the power that posits it."
And I remember the diagram with the lines and boxes and curvy arrows.
Where did that come from (which book or paper?). What was SK pointing to? What were we pointing to?
I am afeared that I am misusing it.
Thanks.
Jim Wiegel
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