Thank you Marsha. The Archives does need more of the second generation “EG” & youth perspective. There were definite mistakes as many younger gen were sometimes or often seen as secondary to the “Mission”. Or seen as a way to become bext generation “seconds” to perpetuate and “further the mission”… I know some was discussed after the Millennial Connection. However I’m not sure what was documented. Since my age is inbetween & actually closer to Second Generation, I am aware of a handful of your perspectives. I became friends with some of you, and know you have an active connection with each other. I eagerly read “Iron Boy” and was surprised how much I didn’t really know about earlier days of the Order, particularly youth perspective (having joined in ‘84). I will read your pdf with equal attention Marsha. And wonder how many more have written about their experiences. Of course there is the book titled something like Grits & the Holy Ghost (I forgot the exact title). Thank you David & Marsha Debra Harris WatsonHouston Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, June 30, 2025, 12:49 PM, Zoe Barley via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Marsha I very much appreciate your willingness to share these often painful reflections. I've forwarded them to Gwyn. She too has struggled with the years we spent in the Order altho we chose to leave when she was due to join the 6th grade house. We too experienced the 'we won't talk with you about your leaving - shunned. But we were called to a Galaxy church which did make things different until the Move to the World. I agree this discussion should have happened long ago. Zoe Sent using myEarthLink On Mon Jun 30 10:46:29 EDT 2025 Marsha Hahn via OE wrote: For several months, I have been doing some writing, the intention of which was to spur some self-critical reflection about the Order. I had been thinking I might send it to the archives, but the last couple of days, as David, Shelley, and others have raised challenging but important topics, made me decide to go ahead and share it in this forum. If memory serves, one of the original purposes of this listserv was to create a space for inter-generational dialogue. There hasn't been a lot of that, but here we are. It's a little too long to include in the body of an email, so I'm attaching a PDF. Hoping it's a helpful contribution to this conversation. In love and respect, Marsha _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net