[Oe List ...] Question about Kierkegaard

Wed Jul 10 13:59:18 PDT 2024

I'll attempt the family expansion.

Anything beyond the individual, obviously has a component of those who
ground themselves transparently in the power and those who don't.

The family exists in a connection with all other families.
The choices that the family makes acknowledge/affirm/deny their connection
with and flow between other families.
The family creates narratives of meaning about their choices and the
resulting consequences...yes our choices are good, or no they are not good.
The family can then look at all the consequences and choices and narratives
of meaning and good and bad and embrace them (Yes) and thereby connect with
the comprehensive known and unknown reality they exist in, or deny (No)
part or all and experience no connection to the gift of life they have been
given, and be fear filled victims.

Moses, Bultman, and SK all speak of G-O-D in terms of experience and
energy. *Grounded transparently in the power that posits-*energized by the
life flowing through them without resistance, transparently for all to see,
including my seeing of myself.

To be a family then, to know my family-ness, is to drink at the well of my
relationship to all the consequences of all my choices I made with parents
and children and all my family and know there is no good or bad, only what
is and the story my family tells about us....transparently with a YES to
all of it.

I am going to be scheduling zoom sessions to talk about affordable housing
and create a network of affordable housing leaders. I'll get back to y'all
about the application of SK to community in a year or two. And I would
welcome anyone who would like to join that conversation to reach out to me.

828-292-9696

On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 7:59 PM James Wiegel via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
wrote:

> WELL, NOT MUCH GOING ON AROUND THE COLLEAGUE NETWORK THIS EVENING, EH?
>
> Thanks for the quickness. . . .
> I find myself using this quote as a formula:
>
> "The self is a relation; that relates itself to itself; and in willing to
> be that relation; grounds itself transparently in the power that posits it."
> The organization is a relation that . .
> The team is a relation that . . .
> The family is a relation that. . . .
> The neighborhood is a relation that . . .
> A city is a relation that. . . .
>
> Do such substitutions seem helpful?  Are they at all connected with SK's
> insight??
>
>
> "The self is a relation; that relates itself to itself; and in willing to
> be that relation; grounds itself transparently in the power that posits it."
>
> Jim Wiegel
>
> “We are all time travelers journeying into the future. But let us make
> that future a place we want to visit. “       Stephen Hawking
>
> On Jul 9, 2024, at 6:25 PM, W. J. via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>
> 
> I associate the famous SK quote with Joe Pierce, who used the
> self-reflective arrows showing the relation we take to the boxes that box
> us in -- to interpret SK (as far as I got it way back in the Dark Ages of
> RS-1 pedagogy) as saying that the Self is a self-conscious embracing (or
> the failure/conscious or unconscious decision NOT to embrace! -- which is
> the abandonment of the possibility of fully being one's Self!) of the
> givenness of "consciousness of consciousness  of consciousness" which is
> the Decisional level of being willing to have fully and without reservation
> the god damned life that you've been given and have showed up with in the
> body that you embody.
> Or something like that.
> Sometimes I think that Pierce & Company were *interpreting* SK and
> putting their own spin on what he meant with his quote. So if SK cracked
> open the door, we grabbed his insight and charged through it like a mighty
> army.
> Or something like that.
> Marshall
>
> On Tuesday, July 9, 2024 at 07:27:29 PM EDT, Don Bushman via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>
>
> I wonder if this quote is the source of the accountability answer of "Yes
> and No" or "No and Yes"?
>
>
> 828-292-9696
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 5:12 PM Judi White via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> wrote:
>
> Fear and Trembling and the Sickness Unto Death was translated into English
> in 1941. When he 1st published it and otherbooks about the Self, he was
> illuminating the inner landscape (reflective, interpretive) ignored by the
> style of teacing and sermonizing of the times(objective) esp. Literal
> interpretation of the rich mythology of the scriptures. John Cok, shuffled
> it all and added Decisional while teaching courses onthe West Side. I can
> see where SK opened the door for psychiatry to develop in the previous
> century.  Judi
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 6:54 PM Judi White <judiwhite070 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Really?
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 6:37 PM James Wiegel via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> wrote:
>
> I keep remembering "The self is a relation; that relates itself to itself;
> and in willing to be that relation; grounds itself transparently in the
> power that posits it."
>
> And I remember the diagram with the lines and boxes and curvy arrows.
>
> Where did that come from (which book or paper?). What was SK pointing to?
> What were we pointing to?
>
> I am afeared that I am misusing it.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim Wiegel
>
> “We are all time travelers journeying into the future. But let us make
> that future a place we want to visit. “       Stephen Hawking
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