[Oe List ...] Question about Kierkegaard

Wed Jul 10 07:00:24 PDT 2024

That’s how I read it:

Relationships are a given – objective.

How I feel about them happens – reflective

Yes/No to the life I have (all of it – past/present/open future) decisional 

In the light of the power that posits the self – yes to way life is as a whole and accepting of the YES life affirms in my being.

Bill Schlesinger

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I associate the famous SK quote with Joe Pierce, who used the self-reflective arrows showing the relation we take to the boxes that box us in -- to interpret SK (as far as I got it way back in the Dark Ages of RS-1 pedagogy) as saying that the Self is a self-conscious embracing (or the failure/conscious or unconscious decision NOT to embrace! -- which is the abandonment of the possibility of fully being one's Self!) of the givenness of "consciousness of consciousness  of consciousness" which is the Decisional level of being willing to have fully and without reservation the god damned life that you've been given and have showed up with in the body that you embody. 

Or something like that.

Sometimes I think that Pierce & Company were interpreting SK and putting their own spin on what he meant with his quote. So if SK cracked open the door, we grabbed his insight and charged through it like a mighty army.

Or something like that.

Marshall 

On Tuesday, July 9, 2024 at 07:27:29 PM EDT, Don Bushman via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: 

I wonder if this quote is the source of the accountability answer of "Yes and No" or "No and Yes"?

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On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 5:12 PM Judi White via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote:

Fear and Trembling and the Sickness Unto Death was translated into English in 1941. When he 1st published it and otherbooks about the Self, he was illuminating the inner landscape (reflective, interpretive) ignored by the style of teacing and sermonizing of the times(objective) esp. Literal interpretation of the rich mythology of the scriptures. John Cok, shuffled it all and added Decisional while teaching courses onthe West Side. I can see where SK opened the door for psychiatry to develop in the previous century.  Judi

On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 6:54 PM Judi White <judiwhite070 at gmail.com <mailto:judiwhite070 at gmail.com> > wrote:

Really?

On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 6:37 PM James Wiegel via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote:

I keep remembering "The self is a relation; that relates itself to itself; and in willing to be that relation; grounds itself transparently in the power that posits it."

And I remember the diagram with the lines and boxes and curvy arrows.

Where did that come from (which book or paper?). What was SK pointing to?  What were we pointing to?

I am afeared that I am misusing it.

Thanks.

Jim Wiegel

“We are all time travelers journeying into the future. But let us make that future a place we want to visit. “       Stephen Hawking

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