<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I'll attempt the family expansion. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Anything beyond the individual, obviously has a component of those who ground themselves transparently in the power and those who don't.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">The family exists in a connection with all other families.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">The choices that the family makes acknowledge/affirm/deny their connection with and flow between other families.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">The family creates narratives of meaning about their choices and the resulting consequences...yes our choices are good, or no they are not good.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">The family can then look at all the consequences and choices and narratives of meaning and good and bad and embrace them (Yes) and thereby connect with the comprehensive known and unknown reality they exist in, or deny
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part or all and experience no connection to the gift of life they have been given, and be fear filled victims.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Moses, Bultman, and SK all speak of G-O-D in terms of experience and energy. <i>Grounded transparently in the power that posits-</i>energized by the life flowing through them without resistance, transparently for all to see, including my seeing of myself. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">To be a family then, to know my family-ness, is to drink at the well of my relationship to all the consequences of all my choices I made with parents and children and all my family and know there is no good or bad, only what is and the story my family tells about us....transparently with a YES to all of it.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I am going to be scheduling zoom sessions to talk about affordable housing and create a network of affordable housing leaders. I'll get back to y'all about the application of SK to community in a year or two. And I would welcome anyone who would like to join that conversation to reach out to me.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><img width="96" height="77" src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4zOIu3LEC6MFTWTu0KY7E502yfIl5gyrUcU9KlzwS-rSnRYeib0f_TPP7f9TiS5-tpufMUq26vAwWag"><br></div><div> <img width="96" height="96" src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4wgIOy7oWy3z_VRwzsBpODEX3NNQ9JDo77bNqvSsjWJ9GswXJj_6KMPdFE-dzLVIcOLFPbwXCt5GgEQ"><br></div><div>828-292-9696<b><br></b></div><br></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 7:59 PM James Wiegel via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">WELL, NOT MUCH GOING ON AROUND THE COLLEAGUE NETWORK THIS EVENING, EH?<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the quickness. . . .</div><div>I find myself using this quote as a formula:</div><div><p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody">"The self is a relation; that relates itself to itself; and in willing to be that relation; grounds itself transparently in the power that posits it."</span></p><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:13pt">The organization is a relation that . . </span></div><div id="m_-7751421385376768388m_-2494738814192997295AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:13pt">The team is a relation that . . . </span></div><div id="m_-7751421385376768388m_-2494738814192997295AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:13pt">The family is a relation that. . . .</span></div><div id="m_-7751421385376768388m_-2494738814192997295AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:13pt">The neighborhood is a relation that . . .</span></div><div id="m_-7751421385376768388m_-2494738814192997295AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:13pt">A city is a relation that. . . .</span></div><div id="m_-7751421385376768388m_-2494738814192997295AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:13pt"><br></span></div><div id="m_-7751421385376768388m_-2494738814192997295AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:13pt">Do such substitutions seem helpful? Are they at all connected with SK's insight??</span></div><div id="m_-7751421385376768388m_-2494738814192997295AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:13pt"><br></span></div><div id="m_-7751421385376768388m_-2494738814192997295AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:13pt"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody">"The self is a relation; that relates itself to itself; and in willing to be that relation; grounds itself transparently in the power that posits it."</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:13pt"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:13pt">Jim Wiegel</span><br><div>
<p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">“We are all time travelers journeying into the future. But let us make that future a place we want to visit. “ </span><span style="font-size:13pt;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Stephen Hawking</span></p></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 9, 2024, at 6:25 PM, W. J. via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:18px"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr">I associate the famous SK quote with Joe Pierce, who used the self-reflective arrows showing the relation we take to the boxes that box us in -- to interpret SK (as far as I got it way back in the Dark Ages of RS-1 pedagogy) as saying that the Self is a self-conscious embracing (or the failure/conscious or unconscious decision NOT to embrace! -- which is the abandonment of the possibility of fully being one's Self!) of the givenness of "consciousness of consciousness of consciousness" which is the Decisional level of being willing to have fully and without reservation the god damned life that you've been given and have showed up with in the body that you embody. </div><div dir="ltr">Or something like that.</div><div dir="ltr">Sometimes I think that Pierce & Company were <i>interpreting</i> SK and putting their own spin on what he meant with his quote. So if SK cracked open the door, we grabbed his insight and charged through it like a mighty army.</div><div dir="ltr">Or something like that.</div><div dir="ltr">Marshall </div><div><br></div>
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<div><div id="m_-7751421385376768388m_-2494738814192997295yiv8208153920"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:large">I wonder if this quote is the source of the accountability answer of "Yes and No" or "No and Yes"?<br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><img width="96" height="77" src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4zOIu3LEC6MFTWTu0KY7E502yfIl5gyrUcU9KlzwS-rSnRYeib0f_TPP7f9TiS5-tpufMUq26vAwWag"><br clear="none"></div><div> <img width="96" height="96" src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4wgIOy7oWy3z_VRwzsBpODEX3NNQ9JDo77bNqvSsjWJ9GswXJj_6KMPdFE-dzLVIcOLFPbwXCt5GgEQ"><br clear="none"></div><div>828-292-9696<b><br clear="none"></b></div><br clear="none"></div></div></div><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><div><div id="m_-7751421385376768388m_-2494738814192997295yiv8208153920yqtfd68805"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 5:12 PM Judi White via OE <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Fear and Trembling and the Sickness Unto Death was translated into English in 1941. When he 1st published it and otherbooks about the Self, he was illuminating the inner landscape (reflective, interpretive) ignored by the style of teacing and sermonizing of the times(objective) esp. Literal interpretation of the rich mythology of the scriptures. John Cok, shuffled it all and added Decisional while teaching courses onthe West Side. I can see where SK opened the door for psychiatry to develop in the previous century. Judi</div><br clear="none"><div><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 6:54 PM Judi White <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:judiwhite070@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">judiwhite070@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Really?</div><br clear="none"><div><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 6:37 PM James Wiegel via OE <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>I keep remembering "The self is a relation; that relates itself to itself; and in willing to be that relation; grounds itself transparently in the power that posits it."<div><br clear="none"></div><div>And I remember the diagram with the lines and boxes and curvy arrows.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Where did that come from (which book or paper?). What was SK pointing to? What were we pointing to?</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I am afeared that I am misusing it.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br clear="none" id="m_-7751421385376768388m_-2494738814192997295yiv8208153920m_7409057284129211857m_2051974715580189631m_-1577364849590192718lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:13pt">Jim Wiegel</span><br clear="none"><div>
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