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I’d say ‘both/and.’  A phenomenological understanding of life (it isn’t what it is, it’s what we experience it to be) ‘recovery’ dates recently to Schleiermacher and Otto.  At the same time, Niebuhr’s sense of the archaic language of ‘justice,’ and the projections onto a Roman ‘kosmos’ – order of things – led to an objectification in and of the Christian tradition, while universally the experience of ‘us vs. them’ led to the use of most historic religions as barrier defining limitations of identity. Most of the systems of ‘theology’ (probably not a good word when considering the widest sense of ‘religion’) were initiated and grounded in the experience of what we are calling the ‘Other World.’  Experience became embedded in language and language then became an issue of identity and group symbolism – which then became the source of both rejection and violence towards ‘others.’

 

So awakening is both reconnecting to fundamental experience and asserting our own group identity.  Polar opposites but consistently present in most human experience.

 

FWIW

 

Bill Schlesinger

 

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The bit that I am reflecting on has to do with the RECOVERY of the Other World . . . We claimed that 'THE OTHER WORLD (in the midst of This World) had been rediscovered in the 20th Century, that is, the reality that was talked about of old and witnessed to had reappeared to us.

 

I don't see much recognition of this discovery -- in the world around me, and in our reflections we seem to treat this as a bunch of nifty charts to use to reflect . . .  are we in the midst of a powerful and deep awakening or  . . .??

 

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On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:31:05 AM MST, Colleen Haithcock via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: 

 

 

I think we live in the "Other World" like fish live in water ... and... nothing can separate us from the love of God.

 

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Thank you, Jim!

 

 

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For whatever reason, I am being pushed to reconsider the other world.  I found a paper by Tillich (see attached) and I remember a paper, I believe by Niebuhr called "We live in 2 worlds" or something that we studied.  Anyone recall?? Have a copy??  I checked the Global Research Network website and also the online data base and was unable to find it.  Of course, now that I am 78, I have to wonder . .. did it actually exist?

 

Thanks for any help.  And, how are you all doing??

 

Over the past 6 weeks, I have been much reminded of one of the Old Testament readings from the daily office in RS-1 Amos 5:18-24.  We fled from the heat in Arizona (114 avg in July) to Colorado and a tornado met us.  We returned to Arizona and Hurricane Hillary just missed us.  We went to a niece's wedding in Oregon and the venue was changed due to a wildfire evacuation order.  Now we are back in Arizona, but a brother- and sister-in-law are stuck at an airport in Charlotte because of Hurricane Idalia . . .

 

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