[Oe List ...] Have you been watching the Vietnam series on PBS?

[Jack Gilles]

Elsa,

Thanks so much for the link! The CIA story of how they controlled and
interfered with Governments all over the world is not in the awareness of
the new generation and needs to be told.

Jack

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 11:27 PM, Elsa Batica via OE <
oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

> This was posted in my other group discussion I thought I'd share here.
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> This is a fascinating story about CIA running of opium out of Laos, and
> getting it to the US and also the US troops in Vietnam, with many of them
> coming home as addicts.
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>  Note that it refers also to Edward Lansdale (Philippines CIA master) and
> research by Alfred McCoy.
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> Burns and Novick also omitted this from their film:
> https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/29/armies-addicts-and-
> spooks-the-cia-in-vietnam-and-laos/
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 28, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Herman Greene via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> wrote:
>
> Tonight was the final session. All that the US fought for was lost. But
> what we fought for was an abstraction at the leadership level and at the
> level of noncombatant citizens, right and left, as well. On the one hand we
> fought to defeat Communism and keep our promises to our allies, on the
> other we fought for a mistake. The lives of the people involved in the war
> on all sides, perpetrators and victims, were forgotten.
>
> Never has the story of this war or perhaps any war been told like it was
> in this series. All sides were presented. Every side was right and every
> side was wrong and so much, so much, so much carnage, suffering and
> tragedy. The armaments, the bombing, the artillery, oh my. Bullets flying
> by the millions.
>
> I feel anger for our the perfidy of our national leaders and for the war
> crimes committed on all sides. And I, like the protester at the end of the
> series, feel sorry at my own simplification of the issues, for my
> righteous, blind resistance.
>
> Three of my high school classmates died in the war. Now I want to go to
> the wall and touch their names.
>
> Herman
>
> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 12:25 PM, McGuire, Jann & Fred via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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>> I'm profoundly grateful for this amazing 21st Century Art piece. Last
>> night reminded me of a couple of Vietnam veterans: my cousin  J.Mac Cates,
>> a career army officer, who died young of leukemia, probably caused by agent
>> orange exposure, as well as Israel Reyna, a teaching colleague.
>>
>> I appreciate this ongoing art form conversation. It has mostly been on
>> the Reflective level. Can't wait for Interpretive and Decisional. Here's an
>> Objective observation, though not an exact quote. An interviewee last night
>> said that the student protests and veteran counter protests caused a divide
>> in the country that has never healed.
>>
>> I was struck by young John Kerry's speech. I felt emotional when the
>> veterans threw their medals at Nixon's White House barriers.
>>
>> Thank you all,
>>
>> Jann
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