[Oe List ...] Pentecost Blessings

Wed Jun 7 20:49:38 PDT 2017

I, too have loved tbe dialogue.  When I find myself humming or singing, the last phrase in each stanza keeps coming out "for all time."

I've also been singing V4, beginning "For the coming ages and to journey humankind..."

I rather like turning "journey" into a verb and how it changes what's being said. 

Methinks we are getting better at corporate writing. 

Now, moving beyond Pentecost ...uh, wait, what would that be?  Oh, right, Life. 

It reminds me of my daughter Rachel being asked by the elevator operator (one Justin Morrill) about the book in her hand. It was a small, red letter New Testament from my mother.She replied, in that disappointed whine only a 5-year old can REALLY pull off, "I wanted to know about Jesus, but this is a book about the way life is!"

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Sunny Walker

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From: Lynda C via OE

Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 8:33 PM

Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Pentecost Blessings

To: Karenbueno, Order Ecumenical Community

Thanks, Karen, for putting this model together.  I think your suggested substitute should be Verse 1, line 1.       We could also say “the heavens” which to me implies the thundering heavens when a storm is approaching with its rushing winds.  You just have to say it really quickly to keep the rhythm.  This has been a spirited dialogue.  

Peace and new power,  Lynda

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Date: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 6:03 PM

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Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Pentecost Blessings

Here is what I suggest, with one further suggestion below the last verse: PENECOST HYMN Tune: There's New World Coming   Like the sound of heaven with the rushing of the wind Came the fire a-burning and new life was given to all The young see visions and the old dream dreams Born of fire, filled with power, for Earth’s call.   To the light from darkness, and to freedom from fear Building from the ashes into one community Peter, Paul, and Luther, Augustine and Benedict Born of fire, filled with power, for Earth’s call.   With despair abounding and a lack of hope around Still the Spirit comes to the ones who birth the day Giving breath and being to the ones who give their death Born of fire, filled with power, for Earth’s call.   For the coming ages and the journey of mankind We claim the promise that the fire give life to them Deciding freely to live on behalf of all 

Born of fire, filled with power, for Earth’s call.

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Suggested substitute for verse 4, line one:

>From the swirling Cosmos with the rushing of the wind...

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To: Marilyn Crocker <marilyncrocker at juno.com>; Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>

Sent: Wed, Jun 7, 2017 9:58 am

Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Pentecost Blessings

jean long here -

Has anyone put together the suggestions for the pentecostal song?

jean

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Jean Long <jean.long512 at gmail.com> wrote:

jean long here -

thanks, Sherwood.  Mama Cass's song is the tune to which these words were written.

Jean

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 10:12 PM, Marilyn Crocker via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Hi Jack,

I just caught up with this conversation about the Pentecost Hymn editing.

I find the last line of each stanza awkward :  “for Earth’s call.”

How about substituting “for us all.”  This is both inclusive, and easy for us to get our mouths around (as singers.)  Consider what is required to say “Earth’s call” versus “us all.”

Additionally, I was not clear on the concept of “Earth’s call.”  I could go on, but will not, since it is late and I need to turn in.  

Much love to you all,

Marilyn and Joe

From: OE [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jack Gilles via OE

Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 2:49 PM

To: Zoe Barley; OE Listserve

Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Pentecost Blessings

Dear Zoe,

I know we have tried hard to substitute new words for what might be seen as sexist or even “two story”. But is important to understand that if you are in the realm of the meaning of words you are in the left brain’s domain. Yes, when speaking or writing about things this can be not only helpful, but very important.

But a song is about the Singing, not just the words. For singing (and poetry) is a method to reach the right brain, the spiritual domain, and one sings from the heart, allowing the words to flow with a deep awareness of any words inadequacy to speak about our relationship to the Mystery. But try we must try not to communicate an offence or “untruth” if we can. I think we did a pretty good job for the most part in our great songs, including our ability to sing some old hymns with transparency and profound understanding. 

Peace,

Jack

On Jun 4, 2017, at 09:48, zbarley via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Interesting how world or earth make different meanings. What about the second storey? Heaven demythologized?

Zoe  

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Date: 06/04/2017 8:15 AM (GMT-07:00) 

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or..."for Earth's Call'?

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Sent: Sun, Jun 4, 2017 8:19 am

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What about “for the Earth”?

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Date: Sunday, June 4, 2017 at 9:18 AM

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Thank you Lynda, Randy and Karen. The power of corporate writing shines again!  

Karen Snyder

On Jun 4, 2017, at 8:09 AM, Karenbueno via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Revised for gender equity, and acknowledging other parts of creation:

PENECOST HYMN Tune: There's New World Coming   Like the sound of heaven with the rushing of the wind Came the fire a-burning and new life was given to all The young see visions and the old dream dreams Born of fire, filled with power, for the world.   To the light from darkness, and to freedom from fear Building from the ashes into one community Peter, Paul, and Luther, Augustine and Benedict Born of fire, filled with power, for the world.   With despair abounding and a lack of hope around Still the Spirit comes to the ones who birth the day Giving breath and being to the ones who give their death Born of fire, filled with power, for the world.   For the coming ages and the journey of mankind We claim the promise that the fire give life to them Deciding freely to live on behalf of all 

Born of fire, filled with power, for the world.

(Karen Bueno)

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Sent: Sun, Jun 4, 2017 5:05 am

Subject: [Oe List ...] Pentecost Blessings

This song was a powerful one for me, even with its old style gender.  I never did find a replaceable word that fit the meter and the meaning.  Wish I could hear some of our great voices and our not so great voices singing this on this Pentecost Sunday.  I recall how the harmony filled the room with its power.        Sing out wherever you are!     Lynda Cock

PENECOST HYMN Tune: There's New World Coming   Like the sound of heaven with the rushing of the wind Came the fire a-burning and new life was given to men. The young see visions and the old dream dreams Born of fire, filled with power, for all men.   To the light from darkness, and to freedom from fear Building from the ashes into one community Peter, Paul, and Luther, Augustine and Benedict Born of fire, filled with power, for all men.   With despair abounding and a lack of hope around Still the Spirit comes to the ones who birth the day Giving breath and being to the ones who give their death Born of fire, filled with power, for all men.   For the coming ages and the journey of mankind We claim the promise that the fire give life to them Deciding freely to live on behalf of all Born of fire, filled with power, for all men.   

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