[Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - Dear Susan

Len Hockley via OE oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
Tue Nov 1 16:32:45 PDT 2016


Dido Jon, *The Naked Now* by Richard Rohr is required reading!

Len Hockley

On 11/1/2016 2:58 PM, via OE wrote:
> Love this, Jon. Thanks.
>
> Jann
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> From: jonzondo at juno.com via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> To: isobeljimbish <isobeljimbish at optusnet.com.au>; oe 
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> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - 
> Dear Susan
>
> Dear Group.
> Jon Elizondo here.  Son of Tony and Ellery.
> Long time "Order kid" and short time Order adult.
>
> This conversation is very important, especially with all the perspectives.
> I will try to hone in now on one of my key points.
> The change needed in the system is huge.  Our current system is 
> incredible broken in so many ways.  We are a first world country 
> "purposefully" going backwards by not investing in our infrastructure 
> nor in our people.
> In my observation and opinion, much of the national frustration shows 
> itself in the desire to elect Trump, or Bernie, or any alternative. 
>  The "Cry" for change is massive, and will not let up.
> One of the traps is either/or thinking.
> one of the ways forward is both/and/plus-more thinking.
> One of the traps is "personal attacks".
> one of the ways forward is "come join us at the table".
> What I know in my bones is that we are all connected.  That mysterious 
> truth, combined with my passion & respect, is my key to intentionally 
> moving forward.
> Walk in Beauty,
> Jon
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Isobel Bishop via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net 
> <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>>
> To: Wilson Priscilla H <pris at teamtechpress.com 
> <mailto:pris at teamtechpress.com>>, Order Ecumenical Community 
> <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - 
> Dear Susan
> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 07:23:32 +1100
>
> Thankyou for this conversation, colleagues. I appreciate the
> Honesty, pain and fear expressed in
> depth,to give us outsiders some real hope.
> Thankyou all.
> In peace and love,
> Isobel
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2 Nov 2016, at 7:02 am, Wilson Priscilla H via OE 
> <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>
>     No one has said that better, Randy. You should put that on
>     Facebook…so we can all copy your words.
>     Priscilla Wilson
>
>         On Nov 1, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Joyce Sloan via OE
>         <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>
>         Well said, Randy!!
>
>
>         On Nov 1, 2016 2:20 PM, "Randy Williams via OE"
>         <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>
>             I keep asking, but still have not seen, one shred of
>             verifiable evidence to substantiate the charge that
>             Hillary has committed a criminal act of any sort. She's
>             made serious mistakes like with the private server, she
>             has not been as transparent as she could and perhaps
>             should have been, she got paid a lot of money for some
>             speeches (but less than some men), she's flip-flopped on
>             some positions she's taken like on TPP, she has a
>             super-healthy ego (an asset for a man but a huge liability
>             for a woman in our culture), she didn't play nice when she
>             was First Lady trying to get health care passed, as
>             Secretary of State she traveled the world and spoke truth
>             to power like the Premier of China, and after much
>             gut-wrenching deliberation and prayer she chose to stay
>             true to her vow to her husband of "for better or worse"
>             through "worse." And to add insult to injury, she decided
>             to run to be the first woman in the Office of President of
>             the United States. How dare she. Despise her for all those
>             things and hate all her positions on the issues, but don't
>             accuse her of being a criminal unless you have some rock
>             solid proof that hours and years and millions of dollars
>             worth of hearings, investigations and witch hunts by
>             scores of government agencies, news media and nondescript
>             malcontents have been unable to produce. I've heard the
>             rumors, innuendos, exaggerations, conjecture, gross
>             distortions and outright lies, everything but verifiable
>             truth. Got any? Then let's have it. But double check your
>             sources before you put it out there because there really
>             are some malingering, deplorable liars afoot in the land
>             and a lot of fools are believing them and then repeating
>             what they heard them say and calling it truth, and it just
>             isn't.
>             Randy
>
>             Sent from my iPad
>
>             On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Susan Fertig via OE
>             <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>>
>             wrote:
>
>                 Trump was never my choice, and Hillary is a
>                 criminal--her vision for the country is my first
>                 nightmare. And Trump is just as flawed. Both of them
>                 scare me to death. But neither if the other candidates
>                 is really an option either. I fear we're about to see
>                 this great American experiment in democracy become
>                 something no less evil than the many kleptocracies
>                 around the world.
>                 Susan
>                 /Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid/
>                 On Nov 1, 2016 11:55 AM, Judi White
>                 <sophiacircle at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:sophiacircle at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                     Well,  what you wrote is what Frumper repeats over
>                     and over. Mist who parrot him do support him.
>                     I Personally prefer to read responses to a
>                     candidates vision for this nation.
>                     Also I stand firm in ny admiration which  never
>                     ceases, of this woman who has continued in spite
>                     of the unbelievable accusations which are so blown
>                     up out of the real world of truth and honesty that
>                     it is cause for seriously asking "Why?".
>                     Why the hell bent mission to destroy a solid
>                     vision for this nation and this planet? There is
>                     no other candidate who shines so brightly and
>                     qualified to be an example for our children and
>                     grandchildren at this time.  Rightly so.
>
>
>                     On Nov 1, 2016 12:20 PM, "Susan Fertig via OE"
>                     <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
>                     <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>
>                         How in the world did you infer that I must be
>                         a Trump supporter from my message?
>                         Susan
>                         /Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid/
>                         On Nov 1, 2016 7:56 AM, Ken Fisher
>                         <kenfisher1942 at gmail.com
>                         <mailto:kenfisher1942 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                             Dear Susan,
>                             Writing to you as a Canadian Christian and
>                             16-year Order member, I am awed by your
>                             commitment to American Republicanism and
>                             conservative Christianity. How in the
>                             world did you spend so much time with the
>                             EI/OE/ICA community and have your world
>                             view remain unaffected?
>                             From the perspective of Canada, we are 87%
>                             supporters of HRC and the image of America
>                             she represents. Probably Russia is 87% in
>                             favour of Donald.
>                             Each and every ‘crime’ that I have read
>                             about that is attributed to Hillary has
>                             been most grandly committed by Republicans
>                             in previous Bush administrations.
>                             Surely you would agree that Donald Trump
>                             is an out and out racist, sexist,
>                             homophobe, parochial narcissist and most
>                             of all a climate change denier? HRC is
>                             none of the above. Thankfully, she is
>                             responsive to both Bernie and to
>                             Elizabeth. We may get out of this mess yet.
>                             Your phrase: "only values I see are 
>                             abject greed, a pathological allegiance to
>                             lies, and arrogant flaunting of her
>                             ability to circumvent the law. She has
>                             done absolutely nothing to improve the
>                             lives of the poor and disadvantaged yet
>                             claims she has in the face of all evidence
>                             to the contrary.” is really the truth that
>                             the world sees about Trump.
>                             I would invite you to see all that as a
>                             projection.
>                             Should Trump take ownership of any of the
>                             above, that would be a fine moment of
>                             grace. Would you not agree?
>                             Margaret Atwood, (a Canadian poet,
>                             novelist, literary critic, essayist, and
>                             environmental activist) describes America
>                             in the midst of a Salem type witch hunt. I
>                             agree. It is, at the bottom a war against
>                             women.
>                             While there are indeed my contradictions
>                             in American society that both the
>                             Republican and Democratic administrations
>                             must answer for, the attached article came
>                             closest - for me - in describing how the
>                             Republican voice has committed itself to
>                             an ‘end game’ and it would seem that
>                             indeed, the GOP will ‘end’.
>                             Love and best wishes to you, Susan and to
>                             all Trump supporters who have been left
>                             without any vision other than rebellion or
>                             depression.
>                             We are all responsible. Everyone.
>                             Ken in Canada.
>
>
>                               A Republican intellectual explains why
>                               the Republican Party is going to die
>
>                             http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy
>                             <http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy>
>
>                             On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:03 AM, Susan Fertig
>                             via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
>                             <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>
>                             Values??? The only values I see are 
>                             abject greed, a pathological allegiance to
>                             lies, and arrogant flaunting of her
>                             ability to circumvent the law. She has
>                             done absolutely nothing to improve the
>                             lives of the poor and disadvantaged yet
>                             claims she has in the face of all evidence
>                             to the contrary. I've heard for years
>                             about this possible connection to EI/ICA,
>                             and I truly hope it's not true. It would
>                             be a horrible embarrassment to the movement.
>                             Susan
>                             /Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid/
>                             On Oct 31, 2016 11:22 PM, William Salmon
>                             via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
>                             <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>
>                                 Colleagues--
>                                     So many raise the question
>                                 concerning Hillary Clinton's
>                                 relationship to E.I. I decided to cast
>                                 this bread upon the waters. The first
>                                 sign is that while I addressed it to
>                                 Hillary Clinton, an alternate address
>                                 popped up. Consequently, it may really
>                                 get to her attention, to that of some
>                                 aid. May it be a Kool-Aid.
>                                 Inner Peace,
>                                 Bill
>                                 Mrs. Hillary Clinton:
>                                     It is my prayer that this reaches
>                                 you concerning your experience in 5th
>                                 City, Chicago, or it could have been
>                                 in Evanston. Your Youth Director, Don
>                                 Jones, must have been at a training
>                                 event to become known as RS-I. About
>                                 the same time, a large number of us
>                                 dedicated ourselves to this renewal
>                                 movement that grew from our experience
>                                 in Chicago Ghetto to literally embrace
>                                 the world.
>                                     It makes me wonder if your
>                                 experience under his leadership
>                                 influenced the values you hold dear,
>                                 and now wish to step onto the platform
>                                 of the Presidency to do for our United
>                                 States and for the world what was
>                                 embraced by the courageous citizens in
>                                 5th City.
>                                 You carry my prayers during this last
>                                 turbulent week. You have my vote.
>                                 Grace and Peace,
>                                 Pastor William E. Salmon
>                                 744 So. 10th
>                                 Salina, KS 67401
>                                 wsalmon at cox.net <mailto:wsalmon at cox.net>
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