[Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - Dear Susan
Len Hockley via OE
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Tue Nov 1 16:32:45 PDT 2016
Dido Jon, *The Naked Now* by Richard Rohr is required reading!
Len Hockley
On 11/1/2016 2:58 PM, via OE wrote:
> Love this, Jon. Thanks.
>
> Jann
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> Dear Susan
>
> Dear Group.
> Jon Elizondo here. Son of Tony and Ellery.
> Long time "Order kid" and short time Order adult.
>
> This conversation is very important, especially with all the perspectives.
> I will try to hone in now on one of my key points.
> The change needed in the system is huge. Our current system is
> incredible broken in so many ways. We are a first world country
> "purposefully" going backwards by not investing in our infrastructure
> nor in our people.
> In my observation and opinion, much of the national frustration shows
> itself in the desire to elect Trump, or Bernie, or any alternative.
> The "Cry" for change is massive, and will not let up.
> One of the traps is either/or thinking.
> one of the ways forward is both/and/plus-more thinking.
> One of the traps is "personal attacks".
> one of the ways forward is "come join us at the table".
> What I know in my bones is that we are all connected. That mysterious
> truth, combined with my passion & respect, is my key to intentionally
> moving forward.
> Walk in Beauty,
> Jon
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>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Isobel Bishop via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
> <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>>
> To: Wilson Priscilla H <pris at teamtechpress.com
> <mailto:pris at teamtechpress.com>>, Order Ecumenical Community
> <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. -
> Dear Susan
> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 07:23:32 +1100
>
> Thankyou for this conversation, colleagues. I appreciate the
> Honesty, pain and fear expressed in
> depth,to give us outsiders some real hope.
> Thankyou all.
> In peace and love,
> Isobel
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2 Nov 2016, at 7:02 am, Wilson Priscilla H via OE
> <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>
> No one has said that better, Randy. You should put that on
> Facebook…so we can all copy your words.
> Priscilla Wilson
>
> On Nov 1, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Joyce Sloan via OE
> <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
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> Well said, Randy!!
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2016 2:20 PM, "Randy Williams via OE"
> <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>
> I keep asking, but still have not seen, one shred of
> verifiable evidence to substantiate the charge that
> Hillary has committed a criminal act of any sort. She's
> made serious mistakes like with the private server, she
> has not been as transparent as she could and perhaps
> should have been, she got paid a lot of money for some
> speeches (but less than some men), she's flip-flopped on
> some positions she's taken like on TPP, she has a
> super-healthy ego (an asset for a man but a huge liability
> for a woman in our culture), she didn't play nice when she
> was First Lady trying to get health care passed, as
> Secretary of State she traveled the world and spoke truth
> to power like the Premier of China, and after much
> gut-wrenching deliberation and prayer she chose to stay
> true to her vow to her husband of "for better or worse"
> through "worse." And to add insult to injury, she decided
> to run to be the first woman in the Office of President of
> the United States. How dare she. Despise her for all those
> things and hate all her positions on the issues, but don't
> accuse her of being a criminal unless you have some rock
> solid proof that hours and years and millions of dollars
> worth of hearings, investigations and witch hunts by
> scores of government agencies, news media and nondescript
> malcontents have been unable to produce. I've heard the
> rumors, innuendos, exaggerations, conjecture, gross
> distortions and outright lies, everything but verifiable
> truth. Got any? Then let's have it. But double check your
> sources before you put it out there because there really
> are some malingering, deplorable liars afoot in the land
> and a lot of fools are believing them and then repeating
> what they heard them say and calling it truth, and it just
> isn't.
> Randy
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Susan Fertig via OE
> <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>>
> wrote:
>
> Trump was never my choice, and Hillary is a
> criminal--her vision for the country is my first
> nightmare. And Trump is just as flawed. Both of them
> scare me to death. But neither if the other candidates
> is really an option either. I fear we're about to see
> this great American experiment in democracy become
> something no less evil than the many kleptocracies
> around the world.
> Susan
> /Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid/
> On Nov 1, 2016 11:55 AM, Judi White
> <sophiacircle at gmail.com
> <mailto:sophiacircle at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Well, what you wrote is what Frumper repeats over
> and over. Mist who parrot him do support him.
> I Personally prefer to read responses to a
> candidates vision for this nation.
> Also I stand firm in ny admiration which never
> ceases, of this woman who has continued in spite
> of the unbelievable accusations which are so blown
> up out of the real world of truth and honesty that
> it is cause for seriously asking "Why?".
> Why the hell bent mission to destroy a solid
> vision for this nation and this planet? There is
> no other candidate who shines so brightly and
> qualified to be an example for our children and
> grandchildren at this time. Rightly so.
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2016 12:20 PM, "Susan Fertig via OE"
> <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
> <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>
> How in the world did you infer that I must be
> a Trump supporter from my message?
> Susan
> /Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid/
> On Nov 1, 2016 7:56 AM, Ken Fisher
> <kenfisher1942 at gmail.com
> <mailto:kenfisher1942 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Dear Susan,
> Writing to you as a Canadian Christian and
> 16-year Order member, I am awed by your
> commitment to American Republicanism and
> conservative Christianity. How in the
> world did you spend so much time with the
> EI/OE/ICA community and have your world
> view remain unaffected?
> From the perspective of Canada, we are 87%
> supporters of HRC and the image of America
> she represents. Probably Russia is 87% in
> favour of Donald.
> Each and every ‘crime’ that I have read
> about that is attributed to Hillary has
> been most grandly committed by Republicans
> in previous Bush administrations.
> Surely you would agree that Donald Trump
> is an out and out racist, sexist,
> homophobe, parochial narcissist and most
> of all a climate change denier? HRC is
> none of the above. Thankfully, she is
> responsive to both Bernie and to
> Elizabeth. We may get out of this mess yet.
> Your phrase: "only values I see are
> abject greed, a pathological allegiance to
> lies, and arrogant flaunting of her
> ability to circumvent the law. She has
> done absolutely nothing to improve the
> lives of the poor and disadvantaged yet
> claims she has in the face of all evidence
> to the contrary.” is really the truth that
> the world sees about Trump.
> I would invite you to see all that as a
> projection.
> Should Trump take ownership of any of the
> above, that would be a fine moment of
> grace. Would you not agree?
> Margaret Atwood, (a Canadian poet,
> novelist, literary critic, essayist, and
> environmental activist) describes America
> in the midst of a Salem type witch hunt. I
> agree. It is, at the bottom a war against
> women.
> While there are indeed my contradictions
> in American society that both the
> Republican and Democratic administrations
> must answer for, the attached article came
> closest - for me - in describing how the
> Republican voice has committed itself to
> an ‘end game’ and it would seem that
> indeed, the GOP will ‘end’.
> Love and best wishes to you, Susan and to
> all Trump supporters who have been left
> without any vision other than rebellion or
> depression.
> We are all responsible. Everyone.
> Ken in Canada.
>
>
> A Republican intellectual explains why
> the Republican Party is going to die
>
> http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy
> <http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy>
>
> On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:03 AM, Susan Fertig
> via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
> <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>
> Values??? The only values I see are
> abject greed, a pathological allegiance to
> lies, and arrogant flaunting of her
> ability to circumvent the law. She has
> done absolutely nothing to improve the
> lives of the poor and disadvantaged yet
> claims she has in the face of all evidence
> to the contrary. I've heard for years
> about this possible connection to EI/ICA,
> and I truly hope it's not true. It would
> be a horrible embarrassment to the movement.
> Susan
> /Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid/
> On Oct 31, 2016 11:22 PM, William Salmon
> via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
> <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>
> Colleagues--
> So many raise the question
> concerning Hillary Clinton's
> relationship to E.I. I decided to cast
> this bread upon the waters. The first
> sign is that while I addressed it to
> Hillary Clinton, an alternate address
> popped up. Consequently, it may really
> get to her attention, to that of some
> aid. May it be a Kool-Aid.
> Inner Peace,
> Bill
> Mrs. Hillary Clinton:
> It is my prayer that this reaches
> you concerning your experience in 5th
> City, Chicago, or it could have been
> in Evanston. Your Youth Director, Don
> Jones, must have been at a training
> event to become known as RS-I. About
> the same time, a large number of us
> dedicated ourselves to this renewal
> movement that grew from our experience
> in Chicago Ghetto to literally embrace
> the world.
> It makes me wonder if your
> experience under his leadership
> influenced the values you hold dear,
> and now wish to step onto the platform
> of the Presidency to do for our United
> States and for the world what was
> embraced by the courageous citizens in
> 5th City.
> You carry my prayers during this last
> turbulent week. You have my vote.
> Grace and Peace,
> Pastor William E. Salmon
> 744 So. 10th
> Salina, KS 67401
> wsalmon at cox.net <mailto:wsalmon at cox.net>
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