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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dido Jon,  <b>The Naked Now</b> by
      Richard Rohr is required reading!<br>
      <br>
      Len Hockley<br>
      <br>
      On 11/1/2016 2:58 PM, via OE wrote:<br>
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          this, Jon. Thanks.</div>
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        <div
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">Jann<br>
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          <br>
          -----Original Message-----<br>
          From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jonzondo@juno.com">jonzondo@juno.com</a> via OE <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net"><oe@lists.wedgeblade.net></a><br>
          To: isobeljimbish <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au"><isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au></a>; oe
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net"><oe@lists.wedgeblade.net></a><br>
          Cc: oe <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net"><oe@lists.wedgeblade.net></a><br>
          Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2016 1:37 pm<br>
          Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to
          E.I. - Dear Susan<br>
          <br>
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            <div>Dear Group.<br>
              Jon Elizondo here.  Son of Tony and Ellery.<br>
              Long time "Order kid" and short time Order adult.<br>
              <br>
              This conversation is very important, especially with all
              the perspectives.<br>
              I will try to hone in now on one of my key points.<br>
              The change needed in the system is huge.  Our current
              system is incredible broken in so many ways.  We are a
              first world country "purposefully" going backwards by not
              investing in our infrastructure nor in our people.  </div>
            <div>In my observation and opinion, much of the national
              frustration shows itself in the desire to elect Trump, or
              Bernie, or any alternative.  The "Cry" for change is
              massive, and will not let up.  </div>
            <div> </div>
            <div>One of the traps is either/or thinking.</div>
            <div> </div>
            <div>one of the ways forward is both/and/plus-more thinking.</div>
            <div> </div>
            <div>One of the traps is "personal attacks".</div>
            <div> </div>
            <div>one of the ways forward is "come join us at the table".</div>
            <div> </div>
            <div>What I know in my bones is that we are all connected.
               That mysterious truth, combined with my passion &
              respect, is my key to intentionally moving forward.</div>
            <div> </div>
            <div>Walk in Beauty,</div>
            <div>Jon</div>
            <div> </div>
            <div><br>
              <br>
              ---------- Original Message ----------<br>
              From: Isobel Bishop via OE <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br>
              To: Wilson Priscilla H <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:pris@teamtechpress.com">pris@teamtechpress.com</a>>,
              Order Ecumenical Community <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br>
              Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship
              to E.I. - Dear Susan<br>
              Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 07:23:32 +1100<br>
              <br>
              <div>Thankyou for this conversation, colleagues. I
                appreciate the </div>
              <div>Honesty, pain and fear expressed in</div>
              <div>depth,to give us outsiders some real hope.<br>
                Thankyou all.</div>
              <div>In peace and love,</div>
              <div>Isobel <br>
                Sent from my iPhone</div>
              <div><br>
                On 2 Nov 2016, at 7:02 am, Wilson Priscilla H via OE
                <<a moz-do-not-send="true" target="_blank"
                  href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>
                wrote:<br>
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                <div>No one has said that better, Randy. You should put
                  that on Facebook…so we can all copy your words.
                  <div>Priscilla Wilson</div>
                  <div><br>
                    <div>
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                        <div>On Nov 1, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Joyce Sloan via
                          OE <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            target="_blank"
                            href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>
                          wrote:</div>
                        <div>
                          <p dir="ltr">Well said, Randy!!</p>
                          <div class="aolmail_gmail_extra"><br>
                            <div class="aolmail_gmail_quote">On Nov 1,
                              2016 2:20 PM, "Randy Williams via OE" <<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true" target="_blank"
                                href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>
                              wrote:<br>
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                                  <div>I keep asking, but still have not
                                    seen, one shred of verifiable
                                    evidence to substantiate the charge
                                    that Hillary has committed a
                                    criminal act of any sort. She's made
                                    serious mistakes like with the
                                    private server, she has not been as
                                    transparent as she could and perhaps
                                    should have been, she got paid a lot
                                    of money for some speeches (but less
                                    than some men), she's flip-flopped
                                    on some positions she's taken like
                                    on TPP, she has a super-healthy ego
                                    (an asset for a man but a huge
                                    liability for a woman in our
                                    culture), she didn't play nice when
                                    she was First Lady trying to get
                                    health care passed, as Secretary of
                                    State she traveled the world and
                                    spoke truth to power like the
                                    Premier of China, and after much
                                    gut-wrenching deliberation and
                                    prayer she chose to stay true to her
                                    vow to her husband of "for better or
                                    worse" through "worse." And to add
                                    insult to injury, she decided to run
                                    to be the first woman in the Office
                                    of President of the United States.
                                    How dare she. Despise her for all
                                    those things and hate all her
                                    positions on the issues, but don't
                                    accuse her of being a criminal
                                    unless you have some rock solid
                                    proof that hours and years and
                                    millions of dollars worth of
                                    hearings, investigations and witch
                                    hunts by scores of government
                                    agencies, news media and nondescript
                                    malcontents have been unable to
                                    produce. I've heard the rumors,
                                    innuendos, exaggerations,
                                    conjecture, gross distortions and
                                    outright lies, everything but
                                    verifiable truth. Got any? Then
                                    let's have it. But double check your
                                    sources before you put it out there
                                    because there really are some
                                    malingering, deplorable liars afoot
                                    in the land and a lot of fools are
                                    believing them and then repeating
                                    what they heard them say and calling
                                    it truth, and it just isn't. </div>
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                                    id="aolmail_m_-2242911035825110804AppleMailSignature">Randy<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Sent from my iPad</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                    On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Susan
                                    Fertig via OE <<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>
                                    wrote:<br>
                                    <br>
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                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>Trump was never my choice,
                                          and Hillary is a criminal--her
                                          vision for the country is my
                                          first nightmare. And Trump is
                                          just as flawed. Both of them
                                          scare me to death. But neither
                                          if the other candidates is
                                          really an option either. I
                                          fear we're about to see this
                                          great American experiment in
                                          democracy become something no
                                          less evil than the many
                                          kleptocracies around the
                                          world.</div>
                                        <div> </div>
                                        <div>Susan</div>
                                        <div> </div>
                                        <div><span style="color:
                                            #333333;"><em>Sent from my
                                              Verizon 4G LTE Droid</em></span></div>
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                                        class="aolmail_m_-2242911035825110804elided-text">On
                                        Nov 1, 2016 11:55 AM, Judi White
                                        <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          href="mailto:sophiacircle@gmail.com">sophiacircle@gmail.com</a>>
                                        wrote:<br>
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                                            <p dir="ltr">Well,  what you
                                              wrote is what Frumper
                                              repeats over and over.
                                              Mist who parrot him do
                                              support him. <br>
                                              I Personally prefer to
                                              read responses to a
                                              candidates vision for this
                                              nation. <br>
                                              Also I stand firm in ny
                                              admiration which  never
                                              ceases, of this woman who
                                              has continued in spite of
                                              the unbelievable
                                              accusations which are so
                                              blown up out of the real
                                              world of truth and honesty
                                              that it is cause for
                                              seriously asking "Why?". <br>
                                              Why the hell bent mission
                                              to destroy a solid vision
                                              for this nation and this
                                              planet? There is no other
                                              candidate who shines so
                                              brightly and qualified to
                                              be an example for our
                                              children and grandchildren
                                              at this time.  Rightly so.</p>
                                            <div><br>
                                              <div
                                                class="aolmail_m_-2242911035825110804elided-text">On
                                                Nov 1, 2016 12:20 PM,
                                                "Susan Fertig via OE"
                                                <<a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>
                                                wrote:<br>
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                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>How in the
                                                        world did you
                                                        infer that I
                                                        must be a Trump
                                                        supporter from
                                                        my message?</div>
                                                      <div> </div>
                                                      <div>Susan</div>
                                                      <div> </div>
                                                      <div><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          #333333;"><em>Sent
                                                          from my
                                                          Verizon 4G LTE
                                                          Droid</em></span></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>On Nov 1, 2016
                                                      7:56 AM, Ken
                                                      Fisher <<a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                        target="_blank"
href="mailto:kenfisher1942@gmail.com">kenfisher1942@gmail.com</a>>
                                                      wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>Dear
                                                          Susan,</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>Writing
                                                          to you as a
                                                          Canadian
                                                          Christian and
                                                          16-year Order
                                                          member, I am
                                                          awed by your
                                                          commitment to
                                                          American
                                                          Republicanism
                                                          and
                                                          conservative
                                                          Christianity.
                                                          How in the
                                                          world did you
                                                          spend so much
                                                          time with the
                                                          EI/OE/ICA
                                                          community and
                                                          have your
                                                          world view
                                                          remain
                                                          unaffected?</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>From the
                                                          perspective of
                                                          Canada, we are
                                                          87% supporters
                                                          of HRC and the
                                                          image of
                                                          America she
                                                          represents. 
                                                          Probably
                                                          Russia is 87%
                                                          in favour of
                                                          Donald.</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>Each and
                                                          every ‘crime’
                                                          that I have
                                                          read about
                                                          that is
                                                          attributed to
                                                          Hillary has
                                                          been most
                                                          grandly
                                                          committed by
                                                          Republicans in
                                                          previous Bush
administrations.</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>Surely
                                                          you would
                                                          agree that
                                                          Donald Trump
                                                          is an out and
                                                          out racist,
                                                          sexist,
                                                          homophobe,
                                                          parochial
                                                          narcissist and
                                                          most of all a
                                                          climate change
                                                          denier? HRC is
                                                          none of the
                                                          above.
                                                          Thankfully,
                                                          she is
                                                          responsive to
                                                          both Bernie
                                                          and to
                                                          Elizabeth. We
                                                          may get out of
                                                          this mess
                                                          yet. </div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>Your
                                                          phrase: "only
                                                          values I see
                                                          are  abject
                                                          greed, a
                                                          pathological
                                                          allegiance to
                                                          lies, and
                                                          arrogant
                                                          flaunting of
                                                          her ability to
                                                          circumvent the
                                                          law. She has
                                                          done
                                                          absolutely
                                                          nothing to
                                                          improve the
                                                          lives of the
                                                          poor and
                                                          disadvantaged
                                                          yet claims she
                                                          has in the
                                                          face of all
                                                          evidence to
                                                          the contrary.”
                                                          is really the
                                                          truth that the
                                                          world sees
                                                          about Trump.</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>I would
                                                          invite you to
                                                          see all that
                                                          as a
                                                          projection.</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>Should
                                                          Trump take
                                                          ownership of
                                                          any of the
                                                          above, that
                                                          would be a
                                                          fine moment of
                                                          grace. Would
                                                          you not agree?</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>Margaret
                                                          Atwood, (a <span
style="background-color: #ffffff;">Canadian poet, novelist, literary
                                                          critic,
                                                          essayist, and
                                                          environmental
                                                          activist)
                                                          describes
                                                          America in the
                                                          midst of a
                                                          Salem type </span>witch
                                                          hunt. I agree.
                                                          It is, at the
                                                          bottom a war
                                                          against women.</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>While
                                                          there are
                                                          indeed my
                                                          contradictions
                                                          in American
                                                          society that
                                                          both the
                                                          Republican and
                                                          Democratic
                                                          administrations
                                                          must answer
                                                          for, the
                                                          attached
                                                          article came
                                                          closest - for
                                                          me - in
                                                          describing how
                                                          the Republican
                                                          voice has
                                                          committed
                                                          itself to an
                                                          ‘end game’ and
                                                          it would seem
                                                          that indeed,
                                                          the GOP will
                                                          ‘end’.</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>Love and
                                                          best wishes to
                                                          you, Susan and
                                                          to all Trump
                                                          supporters who
                                                          have been left
                                                          without any
                                                          vision other
                                                          than rebellion
                                                          or
                                                          depression. </div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>We are
                                                          all
                                                          responsible.
                                                          Everyone.</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>Ken in
                                                          Canada.</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>
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style="font-family: Helvetica;"><span style="font-size: 14px;">A
                                                          Republican
                                                          intellectual
                                                          explains why
                                                          the Republican
                                                          Party is going
                                                          to die</span></span></h1>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><a
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target="_blank"
href="http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy">http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/1<wbr>2256510/republican-party-trump<wbr>-avik-roy</a></div>
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                                                          <div>On Nov 1,
                                                          2016, at 12:03
                                                          AM, Susan
                                                          Fertig via OE
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                                                          <div>Values???
                                                          The only
                                                          values I see
                                                          are  abject
                                                          greed, a
                                                          pathological
                                                          allegiance to
                                                          lies, and
                                                          arrogant
                                                          flaunting of
                                                          her ability to
                                                          circumvent the
                                                          law. She has
                                                          done
                                                          absolutely
                                                          nothing to
                                                          improve the
                                                          lives of the
                                                          poor and
                                                          disadvantaged
                                                          yet claims she
                                                          has in the
                                                          face of all
                                                          evidence to
                                                          the contrary.
                                                          I've heard for
                                                          years about
                                                          this possible
                                                          connection to
                                                          EI/ICA, and I
                                                          truly hope
                                                          it's not true.
                                                          It would be a
                                                          horrible
                                                          embarrassment
                                                          to the
                                                          movement.</div>
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                                                          from my
                                                          Verizon 4G LTE
                                                          Droid</em></span></div>
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                                                          <div>On Oct
                                                          31, 2016 11:22
                                                          PM, William
                                                          Salmon via OE
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                                                          many raise the
                                                          question
                                                          concerning
                                                          Hillary
                                                          Clinton's
                                                          relationship
                                                          to E.I. I
                                                          decided to
                                                          cast this
                                                          bread upon the
                                                          waters. The
                                                          first sign is
                                                          that while I
                                                          addressed it
                                                          to Hillary
                                                          Clinton, an
                                                          alternate
                                                          address popped
                                                          up.
                                                          Consequently,
                                                          it may really
                                                          get to her
                                                          attention, to
                                                          that of some
                                                          aid. May it be
                                                          a Kool-Aid. </span></div>
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                                                          Inner Peace, </span></div>
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                                                          Bill </span></div>
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                                                          <div><span
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                                                          Hillary
                                                          Clinton:</span></div>
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                                                          is my prayer
                                                          that this
                                                          reaches you
                                                          concerning
                                                          your
                                                          experience in
                                                          5th City,
                                                          Chicago, or it
                                                          could have
                                                          been in
                                                          Evanston. Your
                                                          Youth
                                                          Director, Don
                                                          Jones, must
                                                          have been at a
                                                          training event
                                                          to become
                                                          known as RS-I.
                                                          About the same
                                                          time, a large
                                                          number of us
                                                          dedicated
                                                          ourselves to
                                                          this renewal
                                                          movement that
                                                          grew from our
                                                          experience in
                                                          Chicago Ghetto
                                                          to literally
                                                          embrace the
                                                          world. </span></div>
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                                                          makes me
                                                          wonder if your
                                                          experience
                                                          under his
                                                          leadership
                                                          influenced the
                                                          values you
                                                          hold dear, and
                                                          now wish to
                                                          step onto the
                                                          platform of
                                                          the Presidency
                                                          to do for our
                                                          United States
                                                          and for the
                                                          world what was
                                                          embraced by
                                                          the courageous
                                                          citizens in
                                                          5th City. </span></div>
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                                                          You carry my
                                                          prayers during
                                                          this last
                                                          turbulent
                                                          week. You have
                                                          my vote. </span></div>
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                                                          Grace and
                                                          Peace, </span></div>
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                                                          Pastor William
                                                          E. Salmon</span></div>
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                                                          744 So. 10th</span></div>
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                                                          Salina, KS 
                                                          67401</span></div>
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