[Oe List ...] A good reflection on Romney

Tue Sep 18 15:56:29 PDT 2012

I’m sorry, I want to distance myself from this message. What Susan said to
me didn’t bother me. 

I think I agree with others that this is not the place to carry on a
political debate, but it is a place to dialogue. I would be happy to hear
Susan’s thoughts if she wants to share them. 

Herman

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From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net
[mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of David Walters
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 6:49 PM
To: Order Ecumenical Community
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] A good reflection on Romney

First Susan maligned Herman Green for saying something he clearly didn't
say. Now she makes a wild unsubstantiated statement that  President Obama
"is destroying our country". This is to demand that Susan explain, in
objective non-inflammatory terms, how it is that she thinks that the
President Obama is doing so.

-David Walters

Oh, I heartily agree that it is a turning point/defining moment, etc.  Just
that I think the current President is destroying the country, so I’m coming
from a different perspective than yours.

Susan 

From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net
[mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Herman Greene
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 1:33 PM
To: 'Order Ecumenical Community'
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] A good reflection on Romney 

I didn’t assume that everyone on the list was a Democrat. 

There are those moments in history that are defining moments. I could be
wrong Susan, but I think this is one of them. It is kind of the end of an
era and so I sent the email as one commenatator’s (not my) statement of what
has become evident. Take it for what it’s worth, but consider that this is a
turning point in American politics and that the debate (the one that will
never end) will now be carried out on a different basis. 

I didn’t send the message as a Democratic commentary, but as news. 

Herman 

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From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net
[mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net]
<mailto:%5bmailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net%5d>  On Behalf Of Susan
Fertig
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 1:21 PM
To: 'Order Ecumenical Community'
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] A good reflection on Romney 

First, I find it offensive that there is an assumption that everyone on the
listserv is a Democrat or espouses that party’s platform.  Look up the
definition of “group think”. 

Second, I find it offensive to perpetuate negatively distorted
characterizations of one candidate (and I’ve often found that this listserv
also perpetuates characterizations of others that are just as distorted
through bias on perceived positives).  That’s the Kool-aid part. 

And yes, the Kool-aid analogy could be attributed to all of us, myself
included, who participated fanatically in something called the Spirit
Movement that came pretty close to being a cult.  You’re right. 

Susan 

From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net
[mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net]
<mailto:%5bmailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net%5d>  On Behalf Of David
Walters
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 1:05 PM
To: Order Ecumenical Community
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] A good reflection on Romney 

Susan 

You need to explain what our collegue Herman has said that has offended you.

As one who is retired, pay no federal income tax, plus in two months from
today I will qualify for Medicare - I am proud to say that I am part of the
47% that Romney spewed so much contempt for in the video referenced in
Herman's comment. 

I didn't know that Herman was in the Kool-Aid business, although if Joe M
athews was with us and still teaching RS-1, he certainly would be accused of
such.

-David Walters

Just for the record, not everyone on this listserv has drunk your KoolAid,
and I’m offended by your language in the message below and the one that
succeeds it. 

Susan

 <http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/09/18/the_real_romney.html> The
Real Romney

<http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09/real-romney-is-a-sneering-plutocrat.ht
ml> Jonathan Chait says the
<http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/09/17/romney_explains_obama_voters.h
tml> hidden camera video that went viral yesterday exposes Mitt Romney "as a
far more sinister character than I had imagined. Here is the sneering
plutocrat, fully in thrall to a series of pernicious myths that are at the
heart of the mania that has seized his party. He believes that market
incomes in the United States are a perfect reflection of merit. Far from
seeing his own privileged upbringing as the private-school educated son of
an auto executive-turned-governor as an obvious refutation of that belief,
Romney cites his own life, preposterously, as a confirmation of it..." 

"The revelations in this video come to me as a genuine shock. I have never
hated Romney. I presumed his ideological makeover since he set out to run
for president was largely phony, even if he was now committed to carry
through with it, and to whatever extent he'd come to believe his own lines,
he was oblivious or naïve about the damage he would inflict upon the poor,
sick, and vulnerable. It seems unavoidable now to conclude that Romney's
embrace of Paul Ryanism is born of actual contempt for the looters and
moochers, a class war on behalf of his own class." 

_____________________________________________ 

Herman Greene 

2516 Winningham Drive 

Chapel Hill, NC 27516 

919-929-4116 (h) 

919-624-0579 (c) 

919-942-4358 (f) 

Skype: hgreene-nc 

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