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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’m sorry, I want to distance myself from
this message. What Susan said to me didn’t bother me. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think I agree with others that this is
not the place to carry on a political debate, but it is a place to dialogue. I
would be happy to hear Susan’s thoughts if she wants to share them. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Herman<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>David Walters<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 18, 2012
6:49 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Order Ecumenical Community<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oe List ...] A good
reflection on Romney</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>First Susan maligned Herman Green
for saying something he clearly didn't say. Now she makes a
wild unsubstantiated statement that President Obama "is
destroying our country". This is to demand that Susan explain, in
objective non-inflammatory terms, how it is that she thinks that the President
Obama is doing so.<br>
<br>
-David Walters<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Oh, I heartily agree that it is a turning
point/defining moment, etc. Just that I think the current President is
destroying the country, so I’m coming from a different perspective than yours.</span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><b><font size=4 color="#4f81bd" face=Papyrus><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
font-family:Papyrus;color:#4F81BD;font-weight:bold'>Susan</span></font></b> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net
[mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Herman Greene<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 18, 2012
1:33 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Order Ecumenical Community'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oe List ...] A good
reflection on Romney</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>I didn’t assume that everyone on the list was a Democrat. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>There are those moments in history that are defining moments.
I could be wrong Susan, but I think this is one of them. It is kind of the end
of an era and so I sent the email as one commenatator’s (not my) statement of
what has become evident. Take it for what it’s worth, but consider that this is
a turning point in American politics and that the debate (the one that will
never end) will now be carried out on a different basis.</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>I didn’t send the message as a Democratic commentary, but as
news.</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Herman</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>
<a href="mailto:%5bmailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net%5d">[mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net]</a>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Susan Fertig<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 18, 2012 1:21
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Order Ecumenical Community'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oe List ...] A good
reflection on Romney</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>First, I find it offensive that there is an
assumption that everyone on the listserv is a Democrat or espouses that party’s
platform. Look up the definition of “group think”.</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Second, I find it offensive to perpetuate
negatively distorted characterizations of one candidate (and I’ve often found
that this listserv also perpetuates characterizations of others that are just
as distorted through bias on perceived positives). That’s the Kool-aid
part.</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>And yes, the Kool-aid analogy could be
attributed to all of us, myself included, who participated fanatically in
something called the Spirit Movement that came pretty close to being a
cult. You’re right. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><font size=4 color="#4f81bd" face=Papyrus><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
font-family:Papyrus;color:#4F81BD;font-weight:bold'>Susan</span></font></b> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>
<a href="mailto:%5bmailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net%5d">[mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net]</a>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>David Walters<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 18, 2012
1:05 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Order Ecumenical Community<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oe List ...] A good
reflection on Romney</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Susan
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>You
need to explain what our collegue Herman has said that has offended you. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>As
one who is retired, pay no federal income tax, plus in two months from
today I will qualify for Medicare - I am proud to say that I am part of
the 47% that Romney spewed so much contempt for in the video referenced in
Herman's comment. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I
didn't know that Herman was in the Kool-Aid business, although if Joe M athews
was with us and still teaching RS-1, he certainly would be accused of such.<br>
<br>
-David Walters<br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Just for the record, not everyone on
this listserv has drunk your KoolAid, and I’m offended by your language in the
message below and the one that succeeds it.</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=4 color="#4f81bd" face=Papyrus><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:#4F81BD;font-weight:bold'>Susan</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<h2 style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><b><font size=4
color="#b60b03" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.5pt;
color:#B60B03'><a
href="http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/09/18/the_real_romney.html"
title="The Real Romney"><font color="#b60b03"><span style='color:#B60B03;
border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>The Real Romney</span></font></a></span></font><o:p></o:p></b></h2>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><a
href="http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09/real-romney-is-a-sneering-plutocrat.html"><font
size=2 color="#b60b03" face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#B60B03;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;background:white'>Jonathan
Chait</span></font></a></span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;background:white'> says
the </span></font><a
href="http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/09/17/romney_explains_obama_voters.html"><font
size=2 color="#b60b03" face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#B60B03;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;background:white'>hidden
camera video</span></font></a><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;background:white'> that
went viral yesterday exposes Mitt Romney "as a far more sinister character
than I had imagined. Here is the sneering plutocrat, fully in thrall to a
series of pernicious myths that are at the heart of the mania that has seized
his party. He believes that market incomes in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">United States</st1:place></st1:country-region> are a perfect
reflection of merit. Far from seeing his own privileged upbringing as the
private-school educated son of an auto executive-turned-governor as an obvious
refutation of that belief, Romney cites his own life, preposterously, as a
confirmation of it..." </span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>
<br>
<span style='background:white'>"The revelations in this video come to me
as a genuine shock. I have never hated Romney. I presumed his ideological
makeover since he set out to run for president was largely phony, even if he
was now committed to carry through with it, and to whatever extent he'd come to
believe his own lines, he was oblivious or naïve about the damage he would inflict
upon the poor, sick, and vulnerable. It seems unavoidable now to conclude that
Romney's embrace of Paul Ryanism is born of actual contempt for the looters and
moochers, a class war on behalf of his own class."</span></span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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