[Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Breakfast News Conversations...

Mon Aug 31 10:54:11 PDT 2015

Good point, Marshall, re: the intended audience for the original Liberal Heresy spin/talk.  Many of us who use “getting old” as a justification for increased inaction could well reflect on how the “label” LH applies even now.  Am reading Jimmy Carter’s book, A Full Life, and see him as one who has defied that label for his almost-91 years of life.

Marilyn

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Maybe we should write and publish on 'The Conservative Right-Wing Heresies' (note: they are plural). Starting with Fox [so-called] News.

There could be a interesting correspondence with some 'Liberal Heresy' points. But I note that 'The Liberal Heresy' was addressed to 'us', not to 'them'. In other words, separating the liberal cop-outs from the radical revolutionaries who dare(d) to Do Something (however puny or mistargeted) based on vision/contradiction analysis/proposals/strategy/tactics/implementaries--instead of Doing Nothing.

Marshall

On Monday, August 31, 2015 8:18 AM, John P Cock via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Does the liberal heresy apply only to our treatment of humans?

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Date: Monday, August 31, 2015 at 10:55 AM
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Kind of depends on whether we see ourselves more as an independent national community with a mob at our gates, a kind of "we and them" mentality, or we see an interdependent global community where we're all in it together. IMHO, it's all in the story we tell ourselves. 

Randy

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On Aug 31, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Karenbueno <karenbueno at aol.com> wrote:

Good point, Randy.  I think the "liberal heresy" today would be that the United States is called to fully accept all immigrants, without conditions.  The Trump plan to deport all who are undocumented is the opposite.  What might be the "orthodox" belief.

Karen (Wright) Bueno

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Regarding the liberal heresy, one of the learnings I remember from the study of this paper is that in formulating some of the early creeds of the church, heresy was not a perversion of orthodoxy, but instead heresy preceded and gave rise to orthodoxy. Someone would come forth with a doctrine or tenet or whatever and the establishment would say, "well that's not correct, that's not what we believe." In the process they would be forced to formulate what they did believe, which often would then become the orthodox position. Seen in this light, heresy actually is a contributing factor, the motivation behind the church getting clarity on where it stood. Not sure what we would point to in the social realm as heresy today, but it seems possible that, whatever it is, it could play that same role of forcing us to clarify our own position. 

Randy 

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On Aug 25, 2015, at 12:59 PM, Frank Knutson via OE < oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: 

Enclosed: THE LIBERAL HERESY  \ 

I think it was given by John Epps or maybe Gene Marshall???? 

<THE LIBERAL HERESY.docx> 

"What appears to be a breaking down of civilization 
may well be simply the breaking up of old forms by life itself."  
    ~  Joyce Carol Oates 

<VIKING copy.jpeg> 

❤  Frank         

On Aug 25, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Rod Rippel via Dialogue < dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: 

Fascists and dictators (and now just about everyone) have long understood that 
deviant behavior is encouraged by the fact that the media give it coverage. 
For example it used to be, "Don't write about suicide" because the mere 
mention of suicide might inspire someone to commit suicide in the next few days. 
Now we are flooded with all kinds of deviant inspiration.  We live in a time of 
internet, Facebook, Twitter and adultery matchup-services. 
Like the phrase sometimes used in the RS-1 'Freedom Lecture,'  "All Is Known," 
literally!  The inundation of 'information' has either swamped us with stress and 
physical reaction or prompted a new level of defensive withdrawal from engaging. 
Scriptural wisdom and "Deciding" goes by the board! 
-----Original Message----- From: steve har via OE 
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Also called scripture/news conversations 

You remember them right? 
random bits of recalled news and then a piece of scriptural wisdom 
what to do about it? 

These days news like trying to "drink from a fire hose" 
My experience now living in the USfA now rather than Costa Rica and 
listening to USA media is curious. 

Feels to me like a case of news culture ADHD where nothing is 
connected to anything except by more and more crisis news events, more 
passionate & positional thinking more economic political and cultural 
and more and more "news journalists" driving to their bank on the 
stream of news. 

My friend Jack Gilles, if I quote him right, says ORID conversations 
no longer have a "D" now because it it is all interpretation, everyone 
has an opinion, everyone is a spectator stuck in the stands watching 
an unplayable game. 

Now in conversations  is no "D" in ORID, no one knows how to Decide or what Do. 
"D" stands for Dumpster or "Don't decide" or "Despair" or just "Done". 

Joe Mathews had a paper, I believe,  which he  called the liberal 
heresy - aybe it was the conservative heresy or the reactionary 
heresy. 
He used some fancy theological terminology like "the  immediacy of the 
eschaton" which I never did understand,exactly. 
Anyone remember this paper? 

Wondering where IS the scripture part, the wisdom part of the 
breakfast news conversation? 

The Christian Science Monitor says THEY are doing two things...As days 
and weeks pass, the media move on to new stories, often neglecting to 
tell the “what’s possible?” stories about how the people and 
communities affected by these tragedies are coping and what they’re 
learning. We hear these types of stories on one-year anniversaries, 
but they’re not an ongoing part of the media’s coverage the way that 
the “what happened?” stories are. A growing body of research is 
confirming what many have long suspected — that a steady diet of 
trauma and disaster triggers stress, fear and trauma in those 
consuming the stories. 

What if the news media covered stories of recovery and resilience as 
much as they cover stories about devastation and despair? 
http://ivoh.org/restorativenarrative/ 

Steve 

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