[Dialogue] Hmm, the Methodists weigh in, sounds like the "council of a lifetime"

[George Holcombe]

With Joe being a Methodist and Slicker a Presbyterian, we can look at ourselves as a movement that sprang from the institutional church, and there are others, even now.  I think Joe was right when he said that the institutional church was dead some years ago.  However, there is lots of life within the movemental church dynamic, and that includes all the religions, that springs from institutional religion.  What's interesting about the institutional expressions of religion is that they hold on to the symbols and scriptures, the history, etc. even when they misinterpret and misrepresent them.

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Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope—you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien—it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope?    ~Joseph W. Mathews




On Jun 11, 2012, at 9:52 PM, R Williams wrote:

> In the midst of the turmoil the church is going through this is one of the most hopeful pieces I've seen.  The primary question for me is, can a church that has been so embedded in institutional structures for so long realistically be expected to reverse course and again become a movemental presence?
>  
> Randy 
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> Subject: [Dialogue] Hmm, the Methodists weigh in, sounds like the "council of a lifetime"
> http://www.unitedmethodistreporter.com/2012/06/new-england-conference-delegation-no-common-identity-for-umc/
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