<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">With Joe being a Methodist and Slicker a Presbyterian, we can look at ourselves as a movement that sprang from the institutional church, and there are others, even now. I think Joe was right when he said that the institutional church was dead some years ago. However, there is lots of life within the movemental church dynamic, and that includes all the religions, that springs from institutional religion. What's interesting about the institutional expressions of religion is that they hold on to the symbols and scriptures, the history, etc. even when they misinterpret and misrepresent them.<div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>On Jun 11, 2012, at 9:52 PM, R Williams wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>In the midst of the turmoil the church is going through this is one of the most hopeful pieces I've seen. The primary question for me is, can a church that has been so embedded in institutional structures for so long realistically be expected to reverse course and again become a movemental presence?</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Randy </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>"Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires."<br>-Martin Buber (adapted)<br></div> <div style="font-family: tahoma, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <div style="margin: 5px
0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class="hr" contenteditable="false" readonly="true"></div> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> James Wiegel <<a href="mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com">jfwiegel@yahoo.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>; Colleague Dialogue <<a href="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net">dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 11, 2012 9:42 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Dialogue] Hmm, the Methodists weigh in, sounds like the "council of a lifetime"<br> </font> </div> <wbr>
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