Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical
And I so enjoyed working with everyone in Fifth City but most especially Velma Brocks who is my daughter, Catherine's, godmother. Velma could say so much without saying anything. She and I handled the Fifth City payroll for awhile. Plus David and I had a wonderful time on the Fifth City to the World trip to the Bahamas so beautifully enabled and spiritized by Alice and Jim Baumbach. Remember Peggy who led the singing on our bus all the way
Hi Dear Colleagues, I have been reading the postings under the above topic for many days now, but with a bit of growing discomfort. I have loved the panoply of beloved colleagues' names that all of our offerings have brought to my consciousness, and especially the wondrous tapestry of Robert Shropshire's full and unrepeatable life. My concern is that all this "naming," although I believe it is offered in authentic love, prayer and appreciation of "Black colleagues" in our Order, seems to be subtly suggesting (even representing) the racial separation that is still present in our collective consciousness, and therefore in our society. Perhaps this is one thread of what the UMC has named "white western privilege." To my knowledge we have not sparked a conversation anything like "Being Indian in the OE," for example, when Mali Balm, or Desmond Balm, or Shakuntala Jadhav or countless other colleagues died. I'm not negating the good and positive memories we have collectively generated because of Robert Shropshire's sudden and sad passing. I'm just thinking Shop would perhaps be singing to us -- "we are the red man, we are the black man, we are brown man, we are the yellow man, we are the tan man, we are the white man......" Just my two cents, offered in love to you all. Marilyn On Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:11:40 -0700 (PDT) R Williams <rcwmbw@yahoo.com> writes: I'm not sure but I think it was Carlos Ollison. "Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires." -Martin Buber (adapted) From: David Walters <walters@alaweb.com> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical In 1971 Robert Shorpshire, larry Ward another fellow whose name wscapes me were sent out on a coast to cost trip vistiting black churches. They came back and gave a long presentation on their findings. Does anyone remember who the other man was? -David Walters --- hfgreene@mindspring.com wrote: From: "Herman Greene" <hfgreene@mindspring.com> To: "'Order Ecumenical Community'" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 15:55:24 -0400 I thought of Gene Beazely (sp?). How memorable he was From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynda Cock Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 2:41 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical Christine Harris and Melanie were with us in the 5th City House. I also remember James Mosely from the Milwaukee Region and Debra Mosely who was with us in the Washington DC House. From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Mary Hampton Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:33 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical In /Summer 70 and the following year I remember James Patterson and Michael Ware. mary h On Jun 3, 2012, at 6:23 PM, "Ann Shafer" <asgoodasitgets@hughes.net> wrote: And there is my beautiful daughter, Tabitha, who is now living in Baltimore soon to move to Denver, a successful government worker. She graduated from Kindergarten at the local school while we lived on Westside. Ann Shafer From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of McCabe, Diann A Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 1:09 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical Realize I left Marcella off the list I sent earlier�She was a force of beauty, strength, and humor in the Atlanta House in 74 or so. Went to Nairobi after that and returned to live in D.C. Is married and has beautiful daughters.--Diann McCabe From: Paula Philbrook <paula.philbrook@gmail.com> Reply-To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical She was my roommate in 1969. On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 11:54 AM, R Williams <rcwmbw@yahoo.com> wrote: I have a name in my head that I can't quite put a face with. Does the name Marcella Buchanan, or something like that, ring a bell with anyone? Randy "Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires." -Martin Buber (adapted) From: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical You sang on the bus all the way to the Bahamas ? Wow. Jim Wiegel Jfwiegel@yahoo.com I can't say as I was ever lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. Daniel Boone On Jun 1, 2012, at 18:25, "Ann Shafer" <asgoodasitgets@hughes.net> wrote: there
and back? I know the Fifth Citizens were not O:E but they were our colleagues and mentors. Ann Stewart Shafer
-----Original Message----- From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of David Scott Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 10:23 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical
Phylis Christmas
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Nancy Lanphear <nancy@songaia.com> wrote:
Dear Ones,
Our common memory is such a gift. Each of us can let go of some of our worry about loosing our own. Thanks for sharing your memories with me.
Love,
Nancy
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 7:48 AM, E B <marosel2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Who can forget Dawn Lingo and Lynette Shanklin?
________________________________ From: Mary Laura Jones <mljones2022@gmail.com> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical
I learned so much from Lois Reeves and Emma Melton in the Cleveland Region. I am so grateful for their presence in our lives. Many things
they said still make me smile. Their wisdom and leadership were very important in the ICA's work.
Mary Laura Jones
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 9:12 AM, McCabe, Diann A <dm14@txstate.edu> wrote:
Sharon Turner stands out for me. Vincent Scott and Mary. And deep colleague in Mississippi, the late Ruth Wilson.
Diann McCabe
On 6/1/12 8:17 AM, "Nancy Lanphear" <nancy@songaia.com> wrote:
Dear Randy,
I, too would appreciate hearing some of the stories about what it was
like to be black in the Order. I remember Phoebe Reynolds, Christine
Harris, and some of the children .... Tad and Todd Mueller, Eric Shropshire, Adam and Kaira Lingo, Emanuel Ward, Kevin Woodward ... I am sorry , who are the others who have slipped through my memory ...? Thank you Joyce and Randy
Nancy
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:55 AM, R Williams <rcwmbw@yahoo.com> wrote:
Joyce,
Your brief comment, in remembering Robert Shropshire, about what it was like to be black and to have been in the O:E has me wanting to hear more about what that experience was like, and trying to recall our black Order colleagues prior to our being dispersed around the globe, embracing cultures of color everywhere.
In addition to you, Carlos and Shropshire, I remember Larry Ward, Nadine Ward, Harold Williams and Richard whose last name was, I think, Epson. Other faces are pictured in my mind's eye whose names I cannot recall. Who were they?
My interest is peaked by the fact that the white majority, in the U.S
at least, is shrinking and will likely soon no longer exist, combined
with the fact that there is a glimmer of indication that cultural diversity of all kinds is coming to be not only tolerated but embraced by more and more people.
On behalf of the future, with an eye toward how all people may live together in peace on this flat, increasingly diverse and crowded planet, I would love to hear more of your reflections, as well as those of others, on what it was like then to be black and in the O:E and what, with 50 years of experience behind us, we all have learned.
A conversation like this could be a fitting tribute to Robert, Nadine, Harold and others now departed who have impacted our community and consciousness over the years.
Randy
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This doesn't speak to me. Herman _____ From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of marilyncrocker@juno.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:04 PM To: oe@lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical Hi Dear Colleagues, I have been reading the postings under the above topic for many days now, but with a bit of growing discomfort. I have loved the panoply of beloved colleagues' names that all of our offerings have brought to my consciousness, and especially the wondrous tapestry of Robert Shropshire's full and unrepeatable life. My concern is that all this "naming," although I believe it is offered in authentic love, prayer and appreciation of "Black colleagues" in our Order, seems to be subtly suggesting (even representing) the racial separation that is still present in our collective consciousness, and therefore in our society. Perhaps this is one thread of what the UMC has named "white western privilege." To my knowledge we have not sparked a conversation anything like "Being Indian in the OE," for example, when Mali Balm, or Desmond Balm, or Shakuntala Jadhav or countless other colleagues died. I'm not negating the good and positive memories we have collectively generated because of Robert Shropshire's sudden and sad passing. I'm just thinking Shop would perhaps be singing to us -- "we are the red man, we are the black man, we are brown man, we are the yellow man, we are the tan man, we are the white man......" Just my two cents, offered in love to you all. Marilyn On Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:11:40 -0700 (PDT) R Williams <rcwmbw@yahoo.com> writes: I'm not sure but I think it was Carlos Ollison. "Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires." -Martin Buber (adapted) From: David Walters <walters@alaweb.com> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical In 1971 Robert Shorpshire, larry Ward another fellow whose name wscapes me were sent out on a coast to cost trip vistiting black churches. They came back and gave a long presentation on their findings. Does anyone remember who the other man was? -David Walters --- hfgreene@mindspring.com wrote: From: "Herman Greene" <hfgreene@mindspring.com> To: "'Order Ecumenical Community'" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 15:55:24 -0400 I thought of Gene Beazely (sp?). How memorable he was From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynda Cock Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 2:41 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical Christine Harris and Melanie were with us in the 5th City House. I also remember James Mosely from the Milwaukee Region and Debra Mosely who was with us in the Washington DC House. From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Mary Hampton Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:33 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical In /Summer 70 and the following year I remember James Patterson and Michael Ware. mary h On Jun 3, 2012, at 6:23 PM, "Ann Shafer" <asgoodasitgets@hughes.net> wrote: And there is my beautiful daughter, Tabitha, who is now living in Baltimore soon to move to Denver, a successful government worker. She graduated from Kindergarten at the local school while we lived on Westside. Ann Shafer From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of McCabe, Diann A Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 1:09 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical Realize I left Marcella off the list I sent earlier-She was a force of beauty, strength, and humor in the Atlanta House in 74 or so. Went to Nairobi after that and returned to live in D.C. Is married and has beautiful daughters.--Diann McCabe From: Paula Philbrook <paula.philbrook@gmail.com> Reply-To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical She was my roommate in 1969. On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 11:54 AM, R Williams <rcwmbw@yahoo.com> wrote: I have a name in my head that I can't quite put a face with. Does the name Marcella Buchanan, or something like that, ring a bell with anyone? Randy "Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires." -Martin Buber (adapted) From: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical You sang on the bus all the way to the Bahamas ? Wow. Jim Wiegel Jfwiegel@yahoo.com I can't say as I was ever lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. Daniel Boone On Jun 1, 2012, at 18:25, "Ann Shafer" <asgoodasitgets@hughes.net> wrote:
And I so enjoyed working with everyone in Fifth City but most especially Velma Brocks who is my daughter, Catherine's, godmother. Velma could say so much without saying anything. She and I handled the Fifth City payroll for awhile. Plus David and I had a wonderful time on the Fifth City to the World trip to the Bahamas so beautifully enabled and spiritized by Alice and Jim Baumbach. Remember Peggy who led the singing on our bus all the way there and back? I know the Fifth Citizens were not O:E but they were our colleagues and mentors. Ann Stewart Shafer
-----Original Message----- From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of David Scott Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 10:23 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical
Phylis Christmas
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Nancy Lanphear <nancy@songaia.com> wrote:
Dear Ones,
Our common memory is such a gift. Each of us can let go of some of our worry about loosing our own. Thanks for sharing your memories with me.
Love,
Nancy
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 7:48 AM, E B <marosel2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Who can forget Dawn Lingo and Lynette Shanklin?
________________________________ From: Mary Laura Jones <mljones2022@gmail.com> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical
I learned so much from Lois Reeves and Emma Melton in the Cleveland Region. I am so grateful for their presence in our lives. Many things they said still make me smile. Their wisdom and leadership were very important in the ICA's work.
Mary Laura Jones
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 9:12 AM, McCabe, Diann A <dm14@txstate.edu>
wrote:
Sharon Turner stands out for me. Vincent Scott and Mary. And deep colleague in Mississippi, the late Ruth Wilson.
Diann McCabe
On 6/1/12 8:17 AM, "Nancy Lanphear" <nancy@songaia.com> wrote:
Dear Randy,
I, too would appreciate hearing some of the stories about what it was like to be black in the Order. I remember Phoebe Reynolds, Christine Harris, and some of the children .... Tad and Todd Mueller, Eric Shropshire, Adam and Kaira Lingo, Emanuel Ward, Kevin Woodward ... I am sorry , who are the others who have slipped through my memory ...? Thank you Joyce and Randy
Nancy
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:55 AM, R Williams <rcwmbw@yahoo.com> wrote:
Joyce,
Your brief comment, in remembering Robert Shropshire, about what it was like to be black and to have been in the O:E has me wanting to hear more about what that experience was like, and trying to recall our black Order colleagues prior to our being dispersed around the globe, embracing cultures of color everywhere.
In addition to you, Carlos and Shropshire, I remember Larry Ward, Nadine Ward, Harold Williams and Richard whose last name was, I think,
Epson.
Other faces are pictured in my mind's eye whose names I cannot recall. Who were they?
My interest is peaked by the fact that the white majority, in the U.S at least, is shrinking and will likely soon no longer exist, combined with the fact that there is a glimmer of indication that cultural diversity of all kinds is coming to be not only tolerated but embraced by more and more people.
On behalf of the future, with an eye toward how all people may live together in peace on this flat, increasingly diverse and crowded planet, I would love to hear more of your reflections, as well as those of others, on what it was like then to be black and in the O:E and what, with 50 years of experience behind us, we all have learned.
A conversation like this could be a fitting tribute to Robert, Nadine, Harold and others now departed who have impacted our community and consciousness over the years.
Randy
"Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires." -Martin Buber (adapted)
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Personally, I believe the discussion that stemmed from the death of Shrop has to do with his being a spirit giant, and the otherness he represented in the Order. As other names came to mind and were recalled, they also illuminated for me the globalness and diversity that we were/are in this world. The dynamics of the O:E in the 60s and 70s were way ahead of the times. Today we have an African-American president. The idea of that was only a dream dreamt by a few 35-40 years ago. Discussing the otherness of different groups who made up the Order, in my mind, only enriches the wonderful memories of the impact we had/have in the world. In many ways we were the point of the wedgeblade cutting through what was to what came to be. Thank God for all those we've names who were other than some of us, and who taught us what it was to be black living in America at the time. No wonder they made a difference when they worked in India or Australia when they did, because in those times the world knew about the racial division that was so common in the United States. Ruth --
Marilyn Crocker thank you for putting into words my Uneasiness. Blessing for you and Joe. Harry Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID -----Original message----- From: marilyncrocker@juno.com To: oe@lists.wedgeblade.net Sent: Mon, Jun 4, 2012 18:05:41 EDT Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical
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