Dear All-- A last word? Not possible. I've used this process since my Academy in 1972. In order for people not to get my work confused with OE/ICA, I baptized the system as the, "Deep Drilling Process." Same Baby, just different color." Does it get the job done? That seems to me to be the question that needs answering. However, this has been an interesting history lesson. Now what? Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Seth Longacre via OE To: Sunny Walker Cc: oe@lists.wedgeblade.net Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I heard it on the grapevine,Steve Ediger asked a compelling question yesterday I’m pretty sure that quote was actually used when I was taught the artform method in my Academy. 1979. On 14 Dec, 2015, at 16:32 , Sunny Walker via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Surprising that none have mentioned ( unless I missed it) good ole Kierkegaard. In searching for the actual vs . remembered quote, I ran across this link, only to discover how profoundly I agree with him. https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/6172.S_ren_Kierkegaard The arrows diagram frequently used with ORID always reminds me of this Kierkegaard quote: [...the self] by relating itself to its own self and by willing to be itself the self is grounded transparently in the Power which posited it. Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App -----Original Message----- From: oe@lists.wedgeblade.net To: rev.bud@mac.com Cc: oe@lists.wedgeblade.net Sent: 2015-12-14 08:46:59 GMT Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I heard it on the grapevine, Steve Ediger asked a compelling question yesterday Not that I've ever heard of :-) / Cheers, Sherwood One other note: ORID is both a theoretical framework for looking at the world and the sequence for writing questions in a conversation - by what ever name. For example as a framework for a business meeting (agenda): O - Information sharing, project updates 15 min R - Personal updates - How ya doing...how is your team making out? 10 min I - Current issues and tasks for the coming week - 30 min D - Each person's top action items - 5 min. total time - 60 min ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "H. A. Tillinghast via OE" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: "Jo Nelson" <jnelson@ica-associates.ca> Cc: oe@lists.wedgeblade.net Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 7:39:42 PM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I heard it on the grapevine, Steve Ediger asked a compelling question yesterday Do the terms ORID, Art Form Method, and Art Form Conversation come into being as they intersect the triad of knowing, doing, being? Bud On Dec 13, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Jo Nelson via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: The way we teach this in our facilitation courses is that ORID is the underlying contentless thinking method, and the Focused Conversation is the tool based on it to guide a group to think clearly. From the mobile desk of Jo Nelson Please reply to jnelson@ica-associates.ca On Dec 13, 2015, at 1:57 PM, James Wiegel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> A question: Is there a useful distinction between the Art Form Method and the Art Form Conversation? Jim Wiegel “If you want an adventure . . . what a time to be alive!”. Joanna Macy 401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com Upcoming ToP training opportunities in Arizona More info on: ToP® Facilitation Methods ToP® Strategic Planning: Mastering the Technology of Participation Register on line / see the ToP National Schedule AICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP® courses The AZ ToP® Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday, of every month, 1-4 pm, at ACYR, 648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: W. J. via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Janet Sanders <janetasanders@hotmail.com>; "oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] FW: I heard it on the grapevine, Steve Ediger asked a compelling question yesterday There is a paper by Susanne Langer in the Psychology and Art course of the RS/CS curriculum, titled 'Art as Living Form.' It was taught in the Academy (third week). It might have been a handout in CS-I as well. It is not on the Golden Pathways. Langer's Problems of Art is listed in 'foundational works' of the academy curriculum. Her book Philosophy in a New Key was on a longer list as I recall. Marshall On Friday, December 11, 2015 8:26 PM, Janet Sanders via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: I sent this out yesterday, but not certain it made it into the discussion. Jan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: janetasanders@hotmail.com To: randycw1938@gmail.com; laurelcg@aol.com; ica-dialogue@igc.topica.com Subject: RE: [Oe List ...] I heard it on the grapevine, Steve Ediger asked a compelling question yesterday Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 08:32:04 -0500 Hello to all, In 1971, I took my first course with the EI/ICA called Imaginal Education. I walked into the empty seminar room to get a feel for the space. As I walked around the tables all laid out so intentionally, I vividly remember thinking, "My life will never be the same." 44 years later, I am still in dialogue with the wisdom of that gathering. I was particularily fascinated with with was called the Art Form conversation. At that point the pedagogues talked about it being inspired by Susan Langer's work. It wasn't until this year that I went looking for Susan's work. I'm attaching and also sending a link for an article of appreciation by Howard Gardner for her work. http://www.anthonyflood.com/gardnerlanger.htm She was using art forms to explore the world of meaning. From Art, Mind, and Brain: A Cognitive Approach to Creativity, New York, Basic Books, 1982, 48-54. Philosophy in a New Key Revisited: An Appreciation of Susanne Langer Janet A. Sanders ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 06:42:34 -0600 To: laurelcg@aol.com CC: ica-dialogue@igc.topica.com; oe@lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I heard it on the grapevine, Steve Ediger asked a compelling question yesterday From: oe@lists.wedgeblade.net The art form has a lot of similarity to Dietrich Bonhoeffer's process for making responsible decisions: observe, judge, weigh-up, decide, act Randy Sent from my iPad On Dec 11, 2015, at 12:03 AM, via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: In the mid-80's, Gene Marshall published a binder with different conversation and workshop methods spelled out, for use by House Churches. Think I still have my copy in the garage. Jann McGuire -----Original Message----- From: Sherwood Shankland via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Ken Fisher <kenfisher1942@gmail.com> Cc: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; ICA <ica-dialogue@igc.topica.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 10, 2015 7:04 pm Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I heard it on the grapevine, Steve Ediger asked a compelling question yesterday A few notes on "art-form" and ORID conversations...In the 60's and 70's the Ecumenical Institute and its faculty from the Faith and Life community at UT Austin, conducted conversation about the impact of works of art. Notably Picaso's Guernica - impressions of saturation bombing; and the film Requim for a Heavyweight staring Anthony Quinn as the washed up boxer who decides that even he can live his life... The focus of these two conversations was not to teach anything directly but rather to allow the participants of the RS-I (Religious Studies - I seminar) to experience their experience of the painting and the film. As pedegogs we were listening to the participants' responses for their theological views, which could guide us in guiding the following sessions of the 44 hour weekend course. I'm not sure when we formulated the ORID format - Marylin Olyer should know :-) but I associate ORID with our formalizing of facilitator skills training courses and the manuals for Group Facilitation Methods (now ToP Facilitation Methods) and Participatory Strategic Planning (now ToP Strategic Planning). Personally I think that the earlier titles / branding "GFM" and "PSP" are much more self-descriptive and clearer for marketing purposes. I suppose we could use both: "ToP - Group Facilitation Methods"; and "ToP - Participatory Strategic Planning". Happy Holidays to All.../ Sherwood (on the road facilitating workshop on agricultural development in Kazakhstan and Kyrgykstan...back home Dec 18th.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ken Fisher via OE" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: "Steve Harrington" <stevehar11201@gmail.com> Cc: "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>, "ICA" <ica-dialogue@igc.topica.com> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 6:59:28 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I heard it on the grapevine, Steve Ediger asked a compelling question yesterday Me: “Where did the art form methodology come from? David McKlesky: “Rudolf Bultman. This is his method of scriptural grounding.” k On Dec 10, 2015, at 6:09 PM, steve har via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: from the point of view of Imaginal Education and Imaginal Learning. As I heard it, he asked Is there a difference between an Art Form Conversation and ORID question - and- someone just mentioned a "spirit question". What is the difference between an art form conversation, an ORID conversation, a spirit question? Jan Sanders, I know, was recently asked by her teachers and principles at Aruba University why the conversation was called "art form" conversation. It sent her looking back into Brian Stanfield's work and Susan Langer's cultural mythology and meaning making. 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