FW: Interesting article - follow up to Matthew Fox
This weekend we hosted Matthew Fox at our church in Chapel Hill, NC. The article below is about the Pope's crackdown on Caritas Internationalis. I believe this group funded some of ICA's work in Europe and Egypt. Herman _____ From: Kathy Murray [mailto:kmurray49@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 5:23 PM To: Richard Edens; Herman Greene; Bill Murray Subject: Interesting article - follow up to Matthew Fox This is what Matthew Fox was talking about - a follow up to the Pope's chastising the nuns for focusing on the poor and not paying enough attention to abortion and homosexuality. The screws go deeper. Note the the person who wrote this decree is a member of Opus Dei. Thought you might be interested. Vatican imposes new controls on charity federation by <http://ncronline.org/users/john-l-allen-jr> John L Allen Jr [1] on May. 02, 2012 * <http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today> NCR Today [2] ROME -- After moving last year to block the re-election of the first laywoman to head Caritas Internationalis, the Rome-based confederation of Catholic charitable agencies around the world, over an alleged "lack of coordination" with papal aides, the Vatican today imposed sweeping new rules that effectively tightens its control over Caritas' finances and global operations. Among other points, the rules require the top officials of Caritas to make promises of loyalty before a Vatican official, including "Christian obedience" to church leaders. Aside from its direct importance for Catholic charities, today's Vatican move is also interesting for the recently decreed overhaul of the Leadership Conference for Women Religious in the United States, the country's main umbrella group for superiors of women's orders. Like LCWR, Caritas Internationalis is a juridical person under church law recognized by the Vatican. The new rules are thus a further indication that the Vatican is in earnest about tightening its grip over groups that enjoy official status and, in some sense, represent the church. The rules came in the form of a "General Decree," released today in the name of Italian Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Vatican's Secretary of State. Composed of nine articles, the rules specify that: * The Vatican office which oversees Caritas is the Pontifical Council Cor Unum, and it has the power to approve in advance "any text with doctrinal or moral content or orientations," which may also be submitted to the review of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. * Cor Unum will appoint an ecclesiastical assistant to Caritas, whose role will be to "promote its Catholic identity." * Cor Unum must approve any cooperative agreements between Caritas and non-governmental organizations, except in cases of dire humanitarian emergencies. (In the past, Caritas had been criticized for entering into agreements with NGOs whose approach to issues such as population control differs from that of the Catholic church.) * Caritas officials are required to report any contact with foreign governments or diplomatic missions to the Secretariat of State. (Also in the past, Caritas has been criticized for conducting a sort of "parallel diplomacy" alongside the Vatican's official diplomatic apparatus.) * Cor Unum, in consultation with the Secretariat of State, must approve various sectors of Caritas' financial operations, such as wages, contracts and the review of budgets. * Top officials of Caritas Internationalis must pronounce loyalty oaths before the president of Cor Unum, who is currently Cardinal Robert Sarah of Guinea. The officials are required to vow "always to conserve communion with the Catholic church, both in word and in mode of acting," to preserve and transmit "faithfully the deposit of faith, rejecting any doctrine contrary to it," and to "observe Christian obedience to what the Sacred Pastors declare as authentic doctors and teachers of the faith, or stabilize as leaders of the church." The decree was accompanied by a commentary written by Msgr. Osvaldo Neves de Almeida, an Argentine priest of Opus Dei who serves as an official in the Secretariat of State. Neves argued that the new rules come out of a series of meetings with Caritas Internationalis and Vatican officials, and that much of the content is already in place. Neves wrote that the new rules are "of significant assistance to the institution, worthy of the human and spiritual quality and professionalism of its officers," and that they will enhance "the distinctive identity of Caritas Internationalis, which is both its strength and the source of its particular efficacy." In January 2011 the Vatican denied approval for the then-secretary-general of Caritas, Zimbabwe-born laywoman Lesley-Anne Knight, to stand for a second term, a move seen as pushing Caritas to become more evangelical as well as more firmly committed to church teaching. Knight's successor at Caritas, French secretary general Michel Roy, welcomed the new rules. "Our immense gratitude to Pope Benedict for granting these new Statutes and Rules and the staff of the Holy See who have worked with us through this long process," he said. "The new Statutes and Rules clarifies that Caritas Internationalis is an organisation both at the service of the confederation members and of the Holy See." Kathy Murray, LCSW 919-684-9795 (Work) 919-423-6776 (Cell)
As I recall, Caritas was a significant supporter of several of our HDPs in the 70s. Our contact was the late August Vanistendael (sp?) who was either the head of the organization or in another position of leadership. He was nothing short of a saint. Paul Schrijnen and Charles Hahn will remember more of the specifics. To the point, what is the state of being of an organization, i.e. the Catholic Church, where people can't go to the bathroom without hierarchical permission? These guys are so afraid of losing control that they're rendering the church irrelevant, and losing control. Just one more sign, I fear, of institutional decay. Thanks, Herman, for calling this to our attention. Randy "Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires." -Martin Buber (adapted) ________________________________ From: Herman Greene <hfgreene@mindspring.com> To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' <oe@wedgeblade.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 5:07 PM Subject: [Oe List ...] FW: Interesting article - follow up to Matthew Fox This weekend we hosted Matthew Fox at our church in Chapel Hill , NC . The article below is about the Pope’s crackdown on Caritas Internationalis. I believe this group funded some of ICA ’s work in Europe and Egypt . Herman ________________________________ From:Kathy Murray [mailto:kmurray49@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 5:23 PM To: Richard Edens; Herman Greene; Bill Murray Subject: Interesting article - follow up to Matthew Fox This is what Matthew Fox was talking about - a follow up to the Pope's chastising the nuns for focusing on the poor and not paying enough attention to abortion and homosexuality. The screws go deeper. Note the the person who wrote this decree is a member of Opus Dei. Thought you might be interested. Vaticanimposes new controls on charity federation by John L Allen Jr [1] on May. 02, 2012 · NCR Today [2] ROME -- After moving last year to block the re-election of the first laywoman to head Caritas Internationalis, the Rome-based confederation of Catholic charitable agencies around the world, over an alleged “lack of coordination” with papal aides, the Vatican today imposed sweeping new rules that effectively tightens its control over Caritas' finances and global operations. Among other points, the rules require the top officials of Caritas to make promises of loyalty before a Vatican official, including "Christian obedience" to church leaders. Aside from its direct importance for Catholic charities, today’s Vatican move is also interesting for the recently decreed overhaul of the Leadership Conference for Women Religious in the United States, the country’s main umbrella group for superiors of women’s orders. Like LCWR, Caritas Internationalis is a juridical person under church law recognized by the Vatican . The new rules are thus a further indication that the Vatican is in earnest about tightening its grip over groups that enjoy official status and, in some sense, represent the church. The rules came in the form of a “General Decree,” released today in the name of Italian Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Vatican ’s Secretary of State. Composed of nine articles, the rules specify that: * The Vatican office which oversees Caritas is the Pontifical Council Cor Unum, and it has the power to approve in advance “any text with doctrinal or moral content or orientations,” which may also be submitted to the review of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. * Cor Unum will appoint an ecclesiastical assistant to Caritas, whose role will be to “promote its Catholic identity.” * Cor Unum must approve any cooperative agreements between Caritas and non-governmental organizations, except in cases of dire humanitarian emergencies. (In the past, Caritas had been criticized for entering into agreements with NGOs whose approach to issues such as population control differs from that of the Catholic church.) * Caritas officials are required to report any contact with foreign governments or diplomatic missions to the Secretariat of State. (Also in the past, Caritas has been criticized for conducting a sort of "parallel diplomacy" alongside the Vatican 's official diplomatic apparatus.) * Cor Unum, in consultation with the Secretariat of State, must approve various sectors of Caritas’ financial operations, such as wages, contracts and the review of budgets. * Top officials of Caritas Internationalis must pronounce loyalty oaths before the president of Cor Unum, who is currently Cardinal Robert Sarah of Guinea . The officials are required to vow “always to conserve communion with the Catholic church, both in word and in mode of acting,” to preserve and transmit “faithfully the deposit of faith, rejecting any doctrine contrary to it,” and to “observe Christian obedience to what the Sacred Pastors declare as authentic doctors and teachers of the faith, or stabilize as leaders of the church.” The decree was accompanied by a commentary written by Msgr. Osvaldo Neves de Almeida, an Argentine priest of Opus Dei who serves as an official in the Secretariat of State. Neves argued that the new rules come out of a series of meetings with Caritas Internationalis and Vatican officials, and that much of the content is already in place. Neves wrote that the new rules are “of significant assistance to the institution, worthy of the human and spiritual quality and professionalism of its officers,” and that they will enhance “the distinctive identity of Caritas Internationalis, which is both its strength and the source of its particular efficacy.” In January 2011 the Vatican denied approval for the then-secretary-general of Caritas, Zimbabwe-born laywoman Lesley-Anne Knight, to stand for a second term, a move seen as pushing Caritas to become more evangelical as well as more firmly committed to church teaching. Knight's successor at Caritas, French secretary general Michel Roy, welcomed the new rules. “Our immense gratitude to Pope Benedict for granting these new Statutes and Rules and the staff of the Holy See who have worked with us through this long process," he said. "The new Statutes and Rules clarifies that Caritas Internationalis is an organisation both at the service of the confederation members and of the Holy See.” Kathy Murray, LCSW 919-684-9795 (Work) 919-423-6776 (Cell) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
On May 3, 2012, at 4:16 AM, R Williams wrote:
To the point, what is the state of being of an organization, i.e. the Catholic Church, where people can't go to the bathroom without hierarchical permission? These guys are so afraid of losing control that they're rendering the church irrelevant, and losing control. Just one more sign, I fear, of institutional decay.
There are interesting developments in the historical church: • new monasticism • emergent churches • co-located congregations • independent Catholic churches I know the most about the Ecumenical Catholic Communion (ECC), a 13-year old network organization of nearly 50 autonomous Catholic parishes around the U.S. Think: • Catholic, but not "Roman" • sacramental, eucharistic • married priests, ordained women • welcoming gays and lesbians • transparent, decentralized polity • apostolic succession with clergy-laity parity • acknowledging the Bishop of Rome, but not the Papacy The ECC is wrestling with movemental challenges that will resonate with many of us: • a young, growing organization • local self-sufficiency and decisional autonomy • structural contradictions • the role of symbolic leaders • bureaucratic systems and participatory process • organizational capacity building • depth spirit formation • sharing common memory • rapid leadership development The "bottom line" — the need for an order colleague network to mentor the ECC Are any of you intrigued with making yourselves available to this movement as mentors to individuals, ECC parishes, or projects. I'm exploring a "creative companioning" relationship with ECC colleagues and wish I had a few order colleagues with whom I could consult and collaborate. Be in touch. Let's explore. David Dunn David Dunn 740 S Alton Way 9B Denver, CO 80247 -- dmdunn1@gmail.com 720-314-5991
Very interesting about independent Catholic churches. Now tell us about: . new monasticism . emergent churches . co-located congregations _____ From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of David M Dunn Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:22 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: [Oe List ...] The Roman Catholic Church, the Old Catholic movement,and our common memory On May 3, 2012, at 4:16 AM, R Williams wrote: To the point, what is the state of being of an organization, i.e. the Catholic Church, where people can't go to the bathroom without hierarchical permission? These guys are so afraid of losing control that they're rendering the church irrelevant, and losing control. Just one more sign, I fear, of institutional decay. There are interesting developments in the historical church: . new monasticism . emergent churches . co-located congregations . independent Catholic churches I know the most about the Ecumenical Catholic Communion (ECC), a 13-year old network organization of nearly 50 autonomous Catholic parishes around the U.S. Think: . Catholic, but not "Roman" . sacramental, eucharistic . married priests, ordained women . welcoming gays and lesbians . transparent, decentralized polity . apostolic succession with clergy-laity parity . acknowledging the Bishop of Rome, but not the Papacy The ECC is wrestling with movemental challenges that will resonate with many of us: . a young, growing organization . local self-sufficiency and decisional autonomy . structural contradictions . the role of symbolic leaders . bureaucratic systems and participatory process . organizational capacity building . depth spirit formation . sharing common memory . rapid leadership development The "bottom line" - the need for an order colleague network to mentor the ECC Are any of you intrigued with making yourselves available to this movement as mentors to individuals, ECC parishes, or projects. I'm exploring a "creative companioning" relationship with ECC colleagues and wish I had a few order colleagues with whom I could consult and collaborate. Be in touch. Let's explore. David Dunn David Dunn 740 S Alton Way 9B Denver, CO 80247 -- dmdunn1@gmail.com 720-314-5991
Hmm, they sound like the Episcopal Church. Why did they decide to create a new organization? Tracy E. Longacre from Hilfied Friary, Dorset +44 (7519) 636546 just another child of God Blog: http://tlongacre.wordpress.com Run Blog: http://revruns.blogspot.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tlongacre/ ———-O0ooo— ———–(——)— ————)–-/—- ————(_/- —-ooo0O—- —-(——)—- —–\-–(– ——\_)-
On May 3, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Tracy Longacre wrote:
Hmm, they sound like the Episcopal Church. Why did they decide to create a new organization?
Many were profoundly wounded by their experience with the R.C. church, but identified just as profoundly with being "Catholic." As far as I can discern this means at least: - related to a continuous thread of symbolic leaders that goes back to the earliest church - focused on the Eucharist as the central act associated with being the People of God - grounded in daily living as a sacrament embodying Holy Mystery - recovering an authentic form of an ancient tradition that got lost in institutionalization Why create a new organization? The founders of the ECC identified with the Old Catholic Movement that traces its lineage back to the anti-papal movement in the Catholic church in Europe at the time of Vatican I in the late 19th century. None of the existing churches feels fresh, open, dynamic, and real. I'll have a richer train of thought before the year's out. To Herman's comment: Very interesting about independent Catholic churches. Now tell us about: • new monasticism • emergent churches • co-located congregations Others will know more than I do about all three of these, but… The new monasticism is a handle for a variety of intentional communities of faith involved in community service, many small, often urban, some with storefronts, some living in community. As far as I've read, emergent churches are exploring new language, new ways of engaging the world, maybe new theologies. (I don't know if many are wrestling as deeply as we have with grounding, transparency, and radical collegiality with other faith traditions.) The two co-located congregations I know about are Light of Christ Ecumenical Catholic Community and Bethany Lutheran Church in Longmont, Colorado. They share a building, worship space, various liturgies and ministries. David David Dunn 740 S Alton Way 9B Denver, CO 80247 -- dmdunn1@gmail.com 720-314-5991
As far as I can discern this means at least:
- related to a continuous thread of symbolic leaders that goes back to the earliest church - focused on the Eucharist as the central act associated with being the People of God - grounded in daily living as a sacrament embodying Holy Mystery - recovering an authentic form of an ancient tradition that got lost in institutionalization<< Yes, that is just why I thought it sounded like the Episcopal Church. Tracy E. Longacre from Hilfied Friary, Dorset +44 (7519) 636546 just another child of God Blog: http://tlongacre.wordpress.com Run Blog: http://revruns.blogspot.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tlongacre/ ———-O0ooo— ———–(——)— ————)–-/—- ————(_/- —-ooo0O—- —-(——)—- —–\-–(– ——\_)-
Benedict is circling the wagons. First, the Vatican is hoping the priesthood sexual predator crisis will “just go away,” instead of dealing with it effectively. The recent Austrian Preachers initiative for attacking the shortage of priests by admitting women, allowing married clergy, etc., drew his outspoken anger. Orders of nuns are rebuked for their efforts to help the poor and solve social injustice instead of focusing on abortion and contraception issues. Now Caritas is experiencing new restraints and petty controls. Vatican II is a dim memory. The college of Cardinals is ‘stacked’ with ultra conservatives in the Ratzinger image. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Pope is preparing an Encyclical to cap his papacy and insure reactionary steps are imbedded in Catholic institutions. “The Catholic church is an Anvil that has broken many a Hammer.” Change doesn’t come easy to the RC church. If you assume a “normal cycle” of change in corporate human affairs as something like: A movemental dynamic precedes institutional formation or change; normal institutions don’t preclude dissent, dissent pushes for renewal; renewal and change meets with resistance; and real change occurs slowly or not at all. For example, the Reformation took 300 years, Vatican II petered out in 50. Outside of Revolution institutions don’t change fast. We were naive to imagine the renewal of the institutional church would take 40 years. Rod Rippel From: David M Dunn Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 8:24 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] The Roman Catholic Church,the Old Catholic movement, and our common memory On May 3, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Tracy Longacre wrote: Hmm, they sound like the Episcopal Church. Why did they decide to create a new organization? Many were profoundly wounded by their experience with the R.C. church, but identified just as profoundly with being "Catholic." As far as I can discern this means at least: - related to a continuous thread of symbolic leaders that goes back to the earliest church - focused on the Eucharist as the central act associated with being the People of God - grounded in daily living as a sacrament embodying Holy Mystery - recovering an authentic form of an ancient tradition that got lost in institutionalization Why create a new organization? The founders of the ECC identified with the Old Catholic Movement that traces its lineage back to the anti-papal movement in the Catholic church in Europe at the time of Vatican I in the late 19th century. None of the existing churches feels fresh, open, dynamic, and real. I'll have a richer train of thought before the year's out. To Herman's comment: Very interesting about independent Catholic churches. Now tell us about: • new monasticism • emergent churches • co-located congregations Others will know more than I do about all three of these, but… The new monasticism is a handle for a variety of intentional communities of faith involved in community service, many small, often urban, some with storefronts, some living in community. As far as I've read, emergent churches are exploring new language, new ways of engaging the world, maybe new theologies. (I don't know if many are wrestling as deeply as we have with grounding, transparency, and radical collegiality with other faith traditions.) The two co-located congregations I know about are Light of Christ Ecumenical Catholic Community and Bethany Lutheran Church in Longmont, Colorado. They share a building, worship space, various liturgies and ministries. David David Dunn 740 S Alton Way 9B Denver, CO 80247 -- dmdunn1@gmail.com 720-314-5991 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
David, I find the concept of 50 ecumenical Catholic (not Roman) parishes to be intriguing. Frankly, the point of my greatest concern about the "Roman" Catholic church is, that with such heavy, top-down emphasis, nothing much is happening in the local parish, and the laity is (still) dormant at best. As we've always known, local people working locally is where the rubber meets the road. Would love the hear more about ECC, where it exists, and why we (I) haven't heard of it before. Randy "Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires." -Martin Buber (adapted) ________________________________ From: David M Dunn <dmdunn1@gmail.com> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 9:21 AM Subject: [Oe List ...] The Roman Catholic Church, the Old Catholic movement, and our common memory On May 3, 2012, at 4:16 AM, R Williams wrote: To the point, what is the state of being of an organization, i.e. the Catholic Church, where people can't go to the bathroom without hierarchical permission? These guys are so afraid of losing control that they're rendering the church irrelevant, and losing control. Just one more sign, I fear, of institutional decay. There are interesting developments in the historical church: • new monasticism • emergent churches • co-located congregations • independent Catholic churches I know the most about the Ecumenical Catholic Communion (ECC), a 13-year old network organization of nearly 50 autonomous Catholic parishes around the U.S. Think: • Catholic, but not "Roman" • sacramental, eucharistic • married priests, ordained women • welcoming gays and lesbians • transparent, decentralized polity • apostolic succession with clergy-laity parity • acknowledging the Bishop of Rome, but not the Papacy The ECC is wrestling with movemental challenges that will resonate with many of us: • a young, growing organization • local self-sufficiency and decisional autonomy • structural contradictions • the role of symbolic leaders • bureaucratic systems and participatory process • organizational capacity building • depth spirit formation • sharing common memory • rapid leadership development The "bottom line" —the need for an order colleague network to mentor the ECC Are any of you intrigued with making yourselves available to this movement as mentors to individuals, ECC parishes, or projects. I'm exploring a "creative companioning" relationship with ECC colleagues and wish I had a few order colleagues with whom I could consult and collaborate. Be in touch. Let's explore. David Dunn David Dunn 740 S Alton Way 9B Denver, CO 80247 -- dmdunn1@gmail.com 720-314-5991 _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
Here in St Louie we work with several colleagues from the ECC and attended the ordination of several women priests. Ellie -----Original Message----- From: R Williams <rcwmbw@yahoo.com> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thu, May 3, 2012 9:44 am Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] The Roman Catholic Church, the Old Catholic movement, and our common memory David, I find the concept of 50 ecumenical Catholic (not Roman) parishes to be intriguing. Frankly, the point of my greatest concern about the "Roman" Catholic church is, that with such heavy, top-down emphasis, nothing much is happening in the local parish, and the laity is (still) dormant at best. As we've always known, local people working locally is where the rubber meets the road. Would love the hear more about ECC, where it exists, and why we (I) haven't heard of it before. Randy "Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires." -Martin Buber (adapted) From: David M Dunn <dmdunn1@gmail.com> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 9:21 AM Subject: [Oe List ...] The Roman Catholic Church, the Old Catholic movement, and our common memory On May 3, 2012, at 4:16 AM, R Williams wrote: To the point, what is the state of being of an organization, i.e. the Catholic Church, where people can't go to the bathroom without hierarchical permission? These guys are so afraid of losing control that they're rendering the church irrelevant, and losing control. Just one more sign, I fear, of institutional decay. There are interesting developments in the historical church: • new monasticism • emergent churches • co-located congregations • independent Catholic churches I know the most about the Ecumenical Catholic Communion (ECC), a 13-year old network organization of nearly 50 autonomous Catholic parishes around the U.S. Think: • Catholic, but not "Roman" • sacramental, eucharistic • married priests, ordained women • welcoming gays and lesbians • transparent, decentralized polity • apostolic succession with clergy-laity parity • acknowledging the Bishop of Rome, but not the Papacy The ECC is wrestling with movemental challenges that will resonate with many of us: • a young, growing organization • local self-sufficiency and decisional autonomy • structural contradictions • the role of symbolic leaders • bureaucratic systems and participatory process • organizational capacity building • depth spirit formation • sharing common memory • rapid leadership development The "bottom line" — the need for an order colleague network to mentor the ECC Are any of you intrigued with making yourselves available to this movement as mentors to individuals, ECC parishes, or projects. I'm exploring a "creative companioning" relationship with ECC colleagues and wish I had a few order colleagues with whom I could consult and collaborate. Be in touch. Let's explore. David Dunn David Dunn 740 S Alton Way 9B Denver, CO 80247 -- dmdunn1@gmail.com 720-314-5991 _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ E mailing list E@lists.wedgeblade.net ttp://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
On May 3, 2012, at 8:43 AM, R Williams wrote:
Would love the hear more about ECC, where it exists, and why we (I) haven't heard of it before.
Here's a link: http://ecumenical-catholic-communion.org I'm keeping a list of the questions and interests and will learn and think in depth off line to share with anyone interested. David David Dunn 740 S Alton Way 9B Denver, CO 80247 -- dmdunn1@gmail.com 720-314-5991
Thanks, David. Is this the group you were talking to Terry Bergdall about having the ICA-USA contact? Randy "Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires." -Martin Buber (adapted) ________________________________ From: David M Dunn <dmdunn1@gmail.com> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] The Roman Catholic Church, the Old Catholic movement, and our common memory On May 3, 2012, at 8:43 AM, R Williams wrote: Would love the hear more about ECC, where it exists, and why we (I) haven't heard of it before. Here's a link: http://ecumenical-catholic-communion.org I'm keeping a list of the questions and interests and will learn and think in depth off line to share with anyone interested. David David Dunn 740 S Alton Way 9B Denver, CO 80247 -- dmdunn1@gmail.com 720-314-5991 _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
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