On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:56 PM, "Herman Greene" <hfgreene@mindspring.com> wrote:

I’m sorry, I want to distance myself from this message. What Susan said to me didn’t bother me.

I think I agree with others that this is not the place to carry on a political debate, but it is a place to dialogue. I would be happy to hear Susan’s thoughts if she wants to share them.

This passionate little maelstrom that we just fell into is one of the reasons that the 'listserv' technology doesn't serve us as well as the quality of our dialogue requires. The kind of careful and thoughtful clarification of perspectives and search for one another's truth requires something closer to face to face communication (like an online meeting) or at the least, an online shared dialogue space (like a 'wiki' that provides for a stream of comments) where we can see contributions appear in real time and all of the preceding contributions. (Facebook comments are the example of the running stream, but not the example of a safe, private space for collegial dialogue.) It would be fascinating and illuminating to see of we could discover the images of fact and value (recalling Boulding) that lie behind the different perceptions expressed here about the meaning of this moment in history. David David Dunn 740 S Alton Way 9B Denver, CO 80247 -- dmdunn1@gmail.com 720-314-5991

Meanwhile, back at the dialogue.  The statement in the original quote from Herman, that Romney believes that market income is a reflection of merit begins to get at the real choices in the upcoming election.  There are those who believe that one's lot in life is earned and deserved, whatever it may be, and those who believe that everyone's life, rich and poor, is determined to a significant degree by circumstances beyond their control, which need not make us victims or arrogant prigs.  There are those who believe that it's a dog-eat-dog world and everyone is on their own, and those who believe that we're all in this together.  There are those who believe it's every "man" for "himself" and the devil take the hind most, and those who believe that we are indeed our brothers' and sisters' keepers.  There are those who believe there are winners and losers, and those who believe that everyone can be a winner without anyone being diminished.  There are those who believe that wealth trickles from the top down and those who believe that wealth is created from the bottom up, and in the end has less to do with material possessions than with quality of character and the richness of relationships.  I could go on, but the point is, the choices have never been clearer.  So everyone can pick their poison and get to the polls.  The only "bad" guys will be those who can vote but don't.  And whoever is elected, the resilience of the American spirit will somehow see us through.  It always has. Randy "Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires." -Martin Buber (adapted) ________________________________ From: Herman Greene <hfgreene@mindspring.com> To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] A good reflection on Romney We have had these “tiffs” before and, if I remember correctly, some also involved Susan. We survived and maybe we learned something.   We should always show respect for one another, but I wouldn’t suggest any “rule change” yet. From my standpoint, there’s nothing wrong with lively exchanges unless they get chronically out of hand.   Herman   ________________________________ From:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of David M Dunn Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:50 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] A good reflection on Romney   On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:56 PM, "Herman Greene" <hfgreene@mindspring.com> wrote: I’m sorry, I want to distance myself from this message. What Susan said to me didn’t bother me.   I think I agree with others that this is not the place to carry on a political debate, but it is a place to dialogue. I would be happy to hear Susan’s thoughts if she wants to share them.     This passionate little maelstrom that we just fell into is one of the reasons that the 'listserv' technology doesn't serve us as well as the quality of our dialogue requires.   The kind of careful and thoughtful clarification of perspectives and search for one another's truth requires something closer to face to face communication (like an online meeting) or at the least, an online shared dialogue space (like a 'wiki' that provides for a stream of comments) where we can see contributions appear in real time and all of the preceding contributions. (Facebook comments are the example of the running stream, but not the example of a safe, private space for collegial dialogue.)   It would be fascinating and illuminating to see of we could discover the images of fact and value (recalling Boulding) that lie behind the different perceptions expressed here about the meaning of this moment in history.   David     David Dunn 740 S Alton Way 9B Denver , CO 80247 -- dmdunn1@gmail.com 720-314-5991   _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net

Hi Susan and Greetings from Malaysia. A couple of points make me a bit wary about the articles your recommend. 1) In the first, Sowell stated that a study established... but he does not name the author nor the source of the study. In the class I'm teaching, that is unacceptable. 2) In the second article, he does cite a source: Milton Friedman, a Nobel prize winning economist. One of his most notable statements from an article in the NY Times Magazine was entitled "The Social Responsibility of Business is to Make a Profit." Needless to say, that's no longer the accepted view since businesses have far more stakeholders than their shareholders. Anyway I always appreciate hearing from you. John At 09:28 PM 9/18/2012, you wrote:

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A couple of interesting articles that may be useful to the discussion.

<http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/09/11/an_economic_plan>http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/09/11/an_economic_plan

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/09/12/depending_on_dependen...

I have a serious intellectual crush on Thomas Sowell, and one on Congressman Allen West too. The video below will probably be offensive to many on this listserv, fair warning.

<http://youtu.be/2CVK4c2qu3M>http://youtu.be/2CVK4c2qu3M

Here's a link with better quality and an article about it but the captioning in the one above is helpful too.

<http://www.wnd.com/2011/02/266849/>http://wwwwnd.com/2011/02/266849/

Susan

From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Herman Greene Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 8:02 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] A good reflection on Romney

We have had these "tiffs" before and, if I remember correctly, some also involved Susan. We survived and maybe we learned something.

We should always show respect for one another, but I wouldn't suggest any "rule change" yet. From my standpoint, there's nothing wrong with lively exchanges unless they get chronically out of hand.

Herman

---------- From: <mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net>oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of David M Dunn Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:50 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] A good reflection on Romney

On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:56 PM, "Herman Greene" <<mailto:hfgreene@mindspring.com>hfgreene@mindspring.com> wrote:

I'm sorry, I want to distance myself from this message. What Susan said to me didn't bother me.

I think I agree with others that this is not the place to carry on a political debate, but it is a place to dialogue. I would be happy to hear Susan's thoughts if she wants to share them.

This passionate little maelstrom that we just fell into is one of the reasons that the 'listserv' technology doesn't serve us as well as the quality of our dialogue requires.

The kind of careful and thoughtful clarification of perspectives and search for one another's truth requires something closer to face to face communication (like an online meeting) or at the least, an online shared dialogue space (like a 'wiki' that provides for a stream of comments) where we can see contributions appear in real time and all of the preceding contributions. (Facebook comments are the example of the running stream, but not the example of a safe, private space for collegial dialogue.)

It would be fascinating and illuminating to see of we could discover the images of fact and value (recalling Boulding) that lie behind the different perceptions expressed here about the meaning of this moment in history.

David

David Dunn 740 S Alton Way 9B Denver, CO 80247 -- <mailto:dmdunn1@gmail.com>dmdunn1@gmail.com 720-314-5991

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Wow, having four things to look at slows down the conversation. I read the two articles on the economy. I have a confession to make: I have NO IDEA, either of what needs addressing, or how to address them, to make the economy "better". My suspicion is that this slowness of recovery has more to do with the seriousness of adjustments being made (shifting energy, technology, skills, moving away from consumption as the driver, and what is required is a combination of things, by a combination of actors. However, only a suspicion, and I don't believe that tv ads, political pronouncements, or comments by commentators are actually intended to help me sort this out in any depth. I found the video and captions refreshing. Though, again, I don't have the historical background or current facts that either one of the two guys had. I got distracted thinking about the right to free speech and respectful dialogue and a paper from the archives entitled "The Liberal Heresy". Jim Wiegel Jfwiegel@yahoo.com It may be that we live in a time of collective heartbreak ... the sense that we might not be equal to the ecological, political and economic transitions that are necessary, that our own selfishness may be writ too deeply into our genes and that the future is therefore untenable and unreachable. We do not as yet know if this is true. -- David Whyte, “Letter from the House" Partners in Participation Upcoming public course opportunities: ToP Facilitation Methods, Sept 11-12, 2012 ToP Strategic Planning, Oct 9-10, 2012 The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday- Sept 7, 2012 Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Program begins on Nov 14-16, 2012 See short video http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55 and website for further details. On Sep 18, 2012, at 20:28, "Susan Fertig" <susan@gmdtech.com> wrote:

A couple of interesting articles that may be useful to the discussion.

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/09/11/an_economic_plan

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/09/12/depending_on_dependen...

I have a serious intellectual crush on Thomas Sowell, and one on Congressman Allen West too. The video below will probably be offensive to many on this listserv, fair warning.

http://youtu.be/2CVK4c2qu3M

Here's a link with better quality and an article about it but the captioning in the one above is helpful too.

http://wwwwnd.com/2011/02/266849/

Susan

From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Herman Greene Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 8:02 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] A good reflection on Romney

We have had these “tiffs” before and, if I remember correctly, some also involved Susan. We survived and maybe we learned something.

We should always show respect for one another, but I wouldn’t suggest any “rule change” yet. From my standpoint, there’s nothing wrong with lively exchanges unless they get chronically out of hand.

Herman

From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of David M Dunn Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:50 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] A good reflection on Romney

On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:56 PM, "Herman Greene" <hfgreene@mindspring.com> wrote:

I’m sorry, I want to distance myself from this message. What Susan said to me didn’t bother me.

I think I agree with others that this is not the place to carry on a political debate, but it is a place to dialogue. I would be happy to hear Susan’s thoughts if she wants to share them.

This passionate little maelstrom that we just fell into is one of the reasons that the 'listserv' technology doesn't serve us as well as the quality of our dialogue requires.

The kind of careful and thoughtful clarification of perspectives and search for one another's truth requires something closer to face to face communication (like an online meeting) or at the least, an online shared dialogue space (like a 'wiki' that provides for a stream of comments) where we can see contributions appear in real time and all of the preceding contributions. (Facebook comments are the example of the running stream, but not the example of a safe, private space for collegial dialogue.)

It would be fascinating and illuminating to see of we could discover the images of fact and value (recalling Boulding) that lie behind the different perceptions expressed here about the meaning of this moment in history.

David

David Dunn 740 S Alton Way 9B Denver, CO 80247 -- dmdunn1@gmail.com 720-314-5991

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Thank you George for sharing this meditation with us. Jeanette On 2012-09-20, at 6:09 AM, George Holcombe wrote:

THE REIGN OF GOD <323.gif> <323.gif> There are always two worlds. The world as it operates is largely about power; the world as it should be, or “the Reign of God,” is always about love. How can you live in both worlds at the same time? As you allow yourself to loosen your grip on the first, you will gradually see the inadequacy and weakness of power as domination or control. You will then tighten your grip around the second, which is the ever purer motivation of love for others instead of yourself.

Any exercise of power apart from love leads to brutality and evil; but love that does not lead people to a whole new kind of power is mere sentimentality and emotion. I must admit, it is rare to find people who hold both together in perfect balance—who have found their inner divine power and use it for others.

Dear John, George, Herman, Susan and all, First, George thank you for the meditation. I have been reading with interest these two threads: one about the sensibilities and practical safety in avoiding angering people in the larger world, the second about how we listen to each other when our values do not match. Tenderness in my subject line is not some sentimental value of being nice to each other. It's more like the RS1 illustration of feeling everything (every perspective) through burned raw nerve endings. Quakers use it in talking about how you hold Business Meeting where the objective is "to descern God's will." There is a great book by a Jesuit who came to observe and participate called Beyond Consensus. Recognizing you are in a corporate endeavor to do more than what humanly possible, you must make extreme allowances for the others doing the process. You aim to treat each other tenderly. Of course, the world does not use this standard, but one can hope the People of God could.  It is the gift and duty of Those Who Care to be sensitive when others cannot.   Indeed, its how you know who they/we are. Grace and Peace, Love, LIGHT, mary   ________________________________ From: George Holcombe <geowanda1@me.com> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thu, September 20, 2012 5:09:56 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] A good reflection on Romney Part of my early morning meditation is coming across some of the writers, spiritual guides, etc.  and I got Richard Rohrs this morning and thought about us. " THE REIGN OF GOD There are always two worlds. The world as it operates is largely about power; the world as it should be, or “the Reign of God,” is always about love. How can you live in both worlds at the same time? As you allow yourself to loosen your grip on the first, you will gradually see the inadequacy and weakness of power as domination or control. You will then tighten your grip around the second, which is the ever purer motivation of love for others instead of yourself. Any exercise of power apart from love leads to brutality and evil; but love that does not lead people to a whole new kind of power is mere sentimentality and emotion. I must admit, it is rare to find people who hold both together in perfect balance—who have found their inner divine power and use it for others. Prayer: Your will be done. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda1@me.com Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope—you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien—it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope?    ~Joseph W. Mathews

Agree _____ From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Ellie Stock Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:09 AM To: oe@lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] free speech, Romney and tenderness Thanks, Mary. Ellie -----Original Message----- From: mhampton <mhampton@att.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 9:05 am Subject: [Oe List ...] free speech, Romney and tenderness Dear John, George, Herman, Susan and all, First, George thank you for the meditation. I have been reading with interest these two threads: one about the sensibilities and practical safety in avoiding angering people in the larger world, the second about how we listen to each other when our values do not match. Tenderness in my subject line is not some sentimental value of being nice to each other. It's more like the RS1 illustration of feeling everything (every perspective) through burned raw nerve endings. Quakers use it in talking about how you hold Business Meeting where the objective is "to descern God's will." There is a great book by a Jesuit who came to observe and participate called Beyond Consensus. Recognizing you are in a corporate endeavor to do more than what humanly possible, you must make extreme allowances for the others doing the process. You aim to treat each other tenderly. Of course, the world does not use this standard, but one can hope the People of God could. It is the gift and duty of Those Who Care to be sensitive when others cannot. Indeed, its how you know who they/we are. Grace and Peace, Love, LIGHT, mary _____ From: George Holcombe <geowanda1@me.com> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thu, September 20, 2012 5:09:56 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] A good reflection on Romney Part of my early morning meditation is coming across some of the writers, spiritual guides, etc. and I got Richard Rohrs this morning and thought about us. " THE REIGN OF GOD There are always two worlds. The world as it operates is largely about power; the world as it should be, or "the Reign of God," is always about love. How can you live in both worlds at the same time? As you allow yourself to loosen your grip on the first, you will gradually see the inadequacy and weakness of power as domination or control. You will then tighten your grip around the second, which is the ever purer motivation of love for others instead of yourself. Any exercise of power apart from love leads to brutality and evil; but love that does not lead people to a whole new kind of power is mere sentimentality and emotion. I must admit, it is rare to find people who hold both together in perfect balance-who have found their inner divine power and use it for others. Prayer: Your will be done. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda1@me.com Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope-you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien-it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net

Isobel, You seem to hear a lot of great speakers in Australia. Herman _____ From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Isobel and Jim Bishop Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:09 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] A good reflection on Romney Dear George, Thank you very much for this writing. In this particular time of turbulence it is very reassuring and helpful. Richard Rohr is speaking at a Conference in Chicago in January, ( I think). I am part of the Australian Network of the World Community for Christian Meditation, and it is under this ' banner' that Richard Rohr is speaking. In peace, Isobel Bishop. On 20/09/2012, at 8:09 PM, George Holcombe wrote: Part of my early morning meditation is coming across some of the writers, spiritual guides, etc. and I got Richard Rohrs this morning and thought about us. " THE REIGN OF GOD There are always two worlds. The world as it operates is largely about power; the world as it should be, or the Reign of God, is always about love. How can you live in both worlds at the same time? As you allow yourself to loosen your grip on the first, you will gradually see the inadequacy and weakness of power as domination or control. You will then tighten your grip around the second, which is the ever purer motivation of love for others instead of yourself. Any exercise of power apart from love leads to brutality and evil; but love that does not lead people to a whole new kind of power is mere sentimentality and emotion. I must admit, it is rare to find people who hold both together in perfect balancewho have found their inner divine power and use it for others. Prayer: Your will be done. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda1@me.com Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hopeyou do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alienit just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net

OK Jim, this will really slow things down - here is some more information from Chris Martenson on what we are facing regarding The Economy, The Environment and Energy. Chris has organized a 20 part video series entitled "The *Crash Course*" which seeks to provide you with a baseline understanding of the economy so that you can better appreciate the risks that we all face. The Video Chapters are between 3 and 20 minutes in length. All 20 sections take 3 hours and 23 minutes to watch in full. Don't let the volume of the material stop you from starting. You can bookmark his page and then review the material at your own pace. Click Here to Find Out More. <http://www.peakprosperity.com/crashcourse> The next 20 years is going to be unlike the last 20 years and I don't think any of our current leadership (Presidential Candidates as well as seated Congressman, Senators, State and Local Representatives) are even aware of the magnitude of the issues they are attempting to impact. I highly recommend watching this series and then passing it along to as many people as possible so that a shift in awareness can be realized. On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:51 PM, James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> wrote:

Wow, having four things to look at slows down the conversation. I read the two articles on the economy. I have a confession to make: I have NO IDEA, either of what needs addressing, or how to address them, to make the economy "better". My suspicion is that this slowness of recovery has more to do with the seriousness of adjustments being made (shifting energy, technology, skills, moving away from consumption as the driver, and what is required is a combination of things, by a combination of actors. However, only a suspicion, and I don't believe that tv ads, political pronouncements, or comments by commentators are actually intended to help me sort this out in any depth.

I found the video and captions refreshing. Though, again, I don't have the historical background or current facts that either one of the two guys had. I got distracted thinking about the right to free speech and respectful dialogue and a paper from the archives entitled "The Liberal Heresy".

Jim Wiegel Jfwiegel@yahoo.com

It may be that we live in a time of collective heartbreak ... the sense that we might not be equal to the ecological, political and economic transitions that are necessary, that our own selfishness may be writ too deeply into our genes and that the future is therefore untenable and unreachable. We do not as yet know if this is true. -- David Whyte, “Letter from the House"

Partners in Participation Upcoming public course opportunities: ToP Facilitation Methods, Sept 11-12, 2012 ToP Strategic Planning, Oct 9-10, 2012 The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday- Sept 7, 2012 Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Program begins on Nov 14-16, 2012 See short video http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55 and website for further details.

On Sep 18, 2012, at 20:28, "Susan Fertig" <susan@gmdtech.com> wrote:

A couple of interesting articles that may be useful to the discussion.****

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http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/09/11/an_economic_plan ** **

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http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/09/12/depending_on_dependen... ****

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I have a serious intellectual crush on Thomas Sowell, and one on Congressman Allen West too. The video below will probably be offensive to many on this listserv, fair warning. ****

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http://youtu.be/2CVK4c2qu3M****

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Here's a link with better quality and an article about it but the captioning in the one above is helpful too.****

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http://wwwwnd.com/2011/02/266849/ <http://www.wnd.com/2011/02/266849/>****

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*Susan*

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*From:* oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] *On Behalf Of *Herman Greene *Sent:* Tuesday, September 18, 2012 8:02 PM *To:* 'Order Ecumenical Community' *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] A good reflection on Romney****

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We have had these “tiffs” before and, if I remember correctly, some also involved Susan. We survived and maybe we learned something.****

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We should always show respect for one another, but I wouldn’t suggest any “rule change” yet. From my standpoint, there’s nothing wrong with lively exchanges unless they get chronically out of hand.****

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*From:* oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] *On Behalf Of *David M Dunn *Sent:* Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:50 PM *To:* Order Ecumenical Community *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] A good reflection on Romney****

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On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:56 PM, "Herman Greene" <hfgreene@mindspring.com> wrote:****

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I’m sorry, I want to distance myself from this message. What Susan said to me didn’t bother me.****

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I think I agree with others that this is not the place to carry on a political debate, but it is a place to dialogue. I would be happy to hear Susan’s thoughts if she wants to share them.****

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This passionate little maelstrom that we just fell into is one of the reasons that the 'listserv' technology doesn't serve us as well as the quality of our dialogue requires.****

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The kind of careful and thoughtful clarification of perspectives and search for one another's truth requires something closer to face to face communication (like an online meeting) or at the least, an online shared dialogue space (like a 'wiki' that provides for a stream of comments) where we can see contributions appear in real time and all of the preceding contributions. (Facebook comments are the example of the running stream, but not the example of a safe, private space for collegial dialogue.)****

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It would be fascinating and illuminating to see of we could discover the images of fact and value (recalling Boulding) that lie behind the different perceptions expressed here about the meaning of this moment in history.*** *

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