Re: [Oe List ...] On getting on with it
Ever since Joe’s insistence that “all is good” has rattled around in my head (a long time) it has forced me to re-image and rethink my whole life whenever adversity or what I call “turn arounds” like Trump’s election have happened, or when I began to realize what slavery was, or experienced some of the plight of the 3rd world. I”ve recently found Rohr’s work helpful in getting on with life and trying to do “the Dance,” by not retreating into the comfort of a “spirituality” but acting. Here is a piece I’ve found as an introduction to the exercise. “Instead of the small god we seem stuck with in our current (and dying) paradigm, usually preoccupied with exclusion, The Trinitarian Revolution reveals God as with us in all of life instead of standing on the sidelines, always critiquing which things belong and which things don’t. The Trinitarian Revolution reveals God as always involved instead of the in-and-out deity that leaves most of humanity “orphaned” much of the time (19. See John 14:18). Theologically, of course, this revolution repositions grace as inherent to creation, not as occasional additive that some people occasionally merit. If this revolution has always been quietly present, like yeast in the dough of our rising spirituality, it might help us understand the hopeful and positive “adoption” and “inheritance” theologies of Paul (20. See, for example, Romans 88:14-17; Galatians 4: 5-7; Ephesians 1:5,14) and the Eastern Fathers over the later, punitive images of God that have dominated the Western church. This God is the very one whom we have names “Trinity” -the flow who flows through everything, without exception, and who has done so since the beginning. Thus, everything is holy, for those who have learned how to see.”. The Divine Dance Richard Rhor p. 37 George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda1@me.com "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley
Yes George and thankyou. I find Richard Rohr is my guide these days Appreciate your writing very much Cheers and with love and peace. Isobel Sent from my iPhone
On 23 Jan 2017, at 10:10 pm, George Holcombe via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Ever since Joe’s insistence that “all is good” has rattled around in my head (a long time) it has forced me to re-image and rethink my whole life whenever adversity or what I call “turn arounds” like Trump’s election have happened, or when I began to realize what slavery was, or experienced some of the plight of the 3rd world. I”ve recently found Rohr’s work helpful in getting on with life and trying to do “the Dance,” by not retreating into the comfort of a “spirituality” but acting. Here is a piece I’ve found as an introduction to the exercise.
“Instead of the small god we seem stuck with in our current (and dying) paradigm, usually preoccupied with exclusion, The Trinitarian Revolution reveals God as with us in all of life instead of standing on the sidelines, always critiquing which things belong and which things don’t.
The Trinitarian Revolution reveals God as always involved instead of the in-and-out deity that leaves most of humanity “orphaned” much of the time (19. See John 14:18).
Theologically, of course, this revolution repositions grace as inherent to creation, not as occasional additive that some people occasionally merit.
If this revolution has always been quietly present, like yeast in the dough of our rising spirituality, it might help us understand the hopeful and positive “adoption” and “inheritance” theologies of Paul (20. See, for example, Romans 88:14-17; Galatians 4: 5-7; Ephesians 1:5,14) and the Eastern Fathers over the later, punitive images of God that have dominated the Western church.
This God is the very one whom we have names “Trinity” -the flow who flows through everything, without exception, and who has done so since the beginning.
Thus, everything is holy, for those who have learned how to see.”. The Divine Dance Richard Rhor p. 37
George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda1@me.com
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Your fourth paragraph seems to contradict the the whole point of the Tillich paper we used in RS-1. "Merit???" Otherwise I can mostly agree with your thoughtful missive. Susan Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Jan 23, 2017 6:10 AM, George Holcombe via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Ever since Joe’s insistence that “all is good” has rattled around in my head (a long time) it has forced me to re-image and rethink my whole life whenever adversity or what I call “turn arounds” like Trump’s election have happened, or when I began to realize what slavery was, or experienced some of the plight of the 3rd world. I”ve recently found Rohr’s work helpful in getting on with life and trying to do “the Dance,” by not retreating into the comfort of a “spirituality” but acting. Here is a piece I’ve found as an introduction to the exercise. “Instead of the small god we seem stuck with in our current (and dying) paradigm, usually preoccupied with exclusion, The Trinitarian Revolution reveals God as with us in all of life instead of standing on the sidelines, always critiquing which things belong and which things don’t. The Trinitarian Revolution reveals God as always involved instead of the in-and-out deity that leaves most of humanity “orphaned” much of the time (19. See John 14:18). Theologically, of course, this revolution repositions grace as inherent to creation, not as occasional additive that some people occasionally merit. If this revolution has always been quietly present, like yeast in the dough of our rising spirituality, it might help us understand the hopeful and positive “adoption” and “inheritance” theologies of Paul (20. See, for example, Romans 88:14-17; Galatians 4: 5-7; Ephesians 1:5,14) and the Eastern Fathers over the later, punitive images of God that have dominated the Western church. This God is the very one whom we have names “Trinity” -the flow who flows through everything, without exception, and who has done so since the beginning. Thus, everything is holy, for those who have learned how to see.”. The Divine Dance Richard Rhor p. 37 George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda1@me.com<mailto:geowanda1@me.com> "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley
I think George is saying that grace is "not" an additive that some people occasionally merit. Where I think George may offer an additional insight that perhaps Tillich may not have included is in saying that grace is an ever-present reality "inherent in creation" rather than something that is present only when it "happens" or "doesn't happen" in the form of being "struck by grace." George can speak for himself, but that's what I heard him saying, and I agree. Randy Sent from my iPad
On Jan 23, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Susan Fertig via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Your fourth paragraph seems to contradict the the whole point of the Tillich paper we used in RS-1. "Merit???"
Otherwise I can mostly agree with your thoughtful missive.
Susan
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Jan 23, 2017 6:10 AM, George Holcombe via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Ever since Joe’s insistence that “all is good” has rattled around in my head (a long time) it has forced me to re-image and rethink my whole life whenever adversity or what I call “turn arounds” like Trump’s election have happened, or when I began to realize what slavery was, or experienced some of the plight of the 3rd world. I”ve recently found Rohr’s work helpful in getting on with life and trying to do “the Dance,” by not retreating into the comfort of a “spirituality” but acting. Here is a piece I’ve found as an introduction to the exercise.
“Instead of the small god we seem stuck with in our current (and dying) paradigm, usually preoccupied with exclusion, The Trinitarian Revolution reveals God as with us in all of life instead of standing on the sidelines, always critiquing which things belong and which things don’t.
The Trinitarian Revolution reveals God as always involved instead of the in-and-out deity that leaves most of humanity “orphaned” much of the time (19. See John 14:18).
Theologically, of course, this revolution repositions grace as inherent to creation, not as occasional additive that some people occasionally merit.
If this revolution has always been quietly present, like yeast in the dough of our rising spirituality, it might help us understand the hopeful and positive “adoption” and “inheritance” theologies of Paul (20. See, for example, Romans 88:14-17; Galatians 4: 5-7; Ephesians 1:5,14) and the Eastern Fathers over the later, punitive images of God that have dominated the Western church.
This God is the very one whom we have names “Trinity” -the flow who flows through everything, without exception, and who has done so since the beginning.
Thus, everything is holy, for those who have learned how to see.”. The Divine Dance Richard Rhor p. 37
George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda1@me.com
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Right-on :-) Always present, and sometimes we are aware of it, sometimes we humans forget... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Williams via OE" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: "Susan Fertig" <sfertig@blueskytech.us>, "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 6:56:58 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] On getting on with it I think George is saying that grace is "not" an additive that some people occasionally merit. Where I think George may offer an additional insight that perhaps Tillich may not have included is in saying that grace is an ever-present reality "inherent in creation" rather than something that is present only when it "happens" or "doesn't happen" in the form of being "struck by grace." George can speak for himself, but that's what I heard him saying, and I agree. Randy Sent from my iPad On Jan 23, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Susan Fertig via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote: Your fourth paragraph seems to contradict the the whole point of the Tillich paper we used in RS-1. "Merit???" Otherwise I can mostly agree with your thoughtful missive. Susan Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Jan 23, 2017 6:10 AM, George Holcombe via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote: Ever since Joe’s insistence that “all is good” has rattled around in my head (a long time) it has forced me to re-image and rethink my whole life whenever adversity or what I call “turn arounds” like Trump’s election have happened, or when I began to realize what slavery was, or experienced some of the plight of the 3rd world. I”ve recently found Rohr’s work helpful in getting on with life and trying to do “the Dance,” by not retreating into the comfort of a “spirituality” but acting. Here is a piece I’ve found as an introduction to the exercise. “Instead of the small god we seem stuck with in our current (and dying) paradigm, usually preoccupied with exclusion, The Trinitarian Revolution reveals God as with us in all of life instead of standing on the sidelines, always critiquing which things belong and which things don’t. The Trinitarian Revolution reveals God as always involved instead of the in-and-out deity that leaves most of humanity “orphaned” much of the time (19. See John 14:18). Theologically, of course, this revolution repositions grace as inherent to creation, not as occasional additive that some people occasionally merit. If this revolution has always been quietly present, like yeast in the dough of our rising spirituality, it might help us understand the hopeful and positive “adoption” and “inheritance” theologies of Paul (20. See, for example, Romans 88:14-17; Galatians 4: 5-7; Ephesians 1:5,14) and the Eastern Fathers over the later, punitive images of God that have dominated the Western church. This God is the very one whom we have names “Trinity” -the flow who flows through everything, without exception, and who has done so since the beginning. Thus, everything is holy, for those who have learned how to see.” . The Divine Dance Richard Rhor p. 37 George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda1@me.com "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley <blockquote> _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net </blockquote> _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
Thank you George. Re Susan's objection, I mentally substituted, "some people are occasionally consciously aware of. (struck by)" I adore "our" triangle scheme. When I look at the Social Process Triangles, I am most drawn to the void in the center, where, for me, Mother/Father God dwells. So good to hear about everyone's participation in the marches on Saturday. We're in for an interesting ride on this wave of the last gasp of the dying age. Grace, peace, love, Jann -----Original Message----- From: George Holcombe via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: ICA/OE List Serves <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; ICA/OE List Serves <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Mon, Jan 23, 2017 3:10 am Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] On getting on with it Ever since Joe’s insistence that “all is good” has rattled around in my head (a long time) it has forced me to re-image and rethink my whole life whenever adversity or what I call “turn arounds” like Trump’s election have happened, or when I began to realize what slavery was, or experienced some of the plight of the 3rd world. I”ve recently found Rohr’s work helpful in getting on with life and trying to do “the Dance,” by not retreating into the comfort of a “spirituality” but acting. Here is a piece I’ve found as an introduction to the exercise. “Instead of the small god we seem stuck with in our current (and dying) paradigm, usually preoccupied with exclusion, The Trinitarian Revolution reveals God as with us in all of life instead of standing on the sidelines, always critiquing which things belong and which things don’t. The Trinitarian Revolution reveals God as always involved instead of the in-and-out deity that leaves most of humanity “orphaned” much of the time (19. See John 14:18). Theologically, of course, this revolution repositions grace as inherent to creation, not as occasional additive that some people occasionally merit. If this revolution has always been quietly present, like yeast in the dough of our rising spirituality, it might help us understand the hopeful and positive “adoption” and “inheritance” theologies of Paul (20. See, for example, Romans 88:14-17; Galatians 4: 5-7; Ephesians 1:5,14) and the Eastern Fathers over the later, punitive images of God that have dominated the Western church. This God is the very one whom we have names “Trinity” -the flow who flows through everything, without exception, and who has done so since the beginning. Thus, everything is holy, for those who have learned how to see.”. The Divine Dance Richard Rhor p. 37 George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda1@me.com "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
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On Jan 23, 2017, at 2:03 PM, via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Thank you George.
Re Susan's objection, I mentally substituted, "some people are occasionally consciously aware of. (struck by)"
I adore "our" triangle scheme. When I look at the Social Process Triangles, I am most drawn to the void in the center, where, for me, Mother/Father God dwells.
So good to hear about everyone's participation in the marches on Saturday.
We're in for an interesting ride on this wave of the last gasp of the dying age.
Grace, peace, love,
Jann
-----Original Message----- From: George Holcombe via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: ICA/OE List Serves <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; ICA/OE List Serves <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Mon, Jan 23, 2017 3:10 am Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] On getting on with it
Ever since Joe’s insistence that “all is good” has rattled around in my head (a long time) it has forced me to re-image and rethink my whole life whenever adversity or what I call “turn arounds” like Trump’s election have happened, or when I began to realize what slavery was, or experienced some of the plight of the 3rd world. I”ve recently found Rohr’s work helpful in getting on with life and trying to do “the Dance,” by not retreating into the comfort of a “spirituality” but acting. Here is a piece I’ve found as an introduction to the exercise.
“Instead of the small god we seem stuck with in our current (and dying) paradigm, usually preoccupied with exclusion, The Trinitarian Revolution reveals God as with us in all of life instead of standing on the sidelines, always critiquing which things belong and which things don’t.
The Trinitarian Revolution reveals God as always involved instead of the in-and-out deity that leaves most of humanity “orphaned” much of the time (19. See John 14:18).
Theologically, of course, this revolution repositions grace as inherent to creation, not as occasional additive that some people occasionally merit.
If this revolution has always been quietly present, like yeast in the dough of our rising spirituality, it might help us understand the hopeful and positive “adoption” and “inheritance” theologies of Paul (20. See, for example, Romans 88:14-17; Galatians 4: 5-7; Ephesians 1:5,14) and the Eastern Fathers over the later, punitive images of God that have dominated the Western church.
This God is the very one whom we have names “Trinity” -the flow who flows through everything, without exception, and who has done so since the beginning.
Thus, everything is holy, for those who have learned how to see.”. The Divine Dance Richard Rhor p. 37
George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda1@me.com
"Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley
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