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On 29 Apr 2021, at 7:49 am, Zoe Barley via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Yes. We lay types began recruiting for courses and the clergy met as a separate group. Ken and I were the connecting link. Did a lot of cooking for courses in those days.
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On Wed Apr 28 15:00:50 MDT 2021 James Wiegel wrote: Zoe, you all were part of a cadre in Phoenix?
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On Apr 28, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Zoe Barley via OE <
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Joe Pierce was also the one who told me if I didn't agree to join the Order - this was spring 1966 - Ken would not have a good option. The parish ministry was not working for us. Our girls were 4 and 2. We had lived on the South side of Chicago when first married and I had then been in perpetual fear for our lives. Now we should take them to the West Side? A very difficult decision. Bit we were there Summer 1966.
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On Wed Apr 28 12:01:26 MDT 2021 Zoe Barley via OE wrote: Along with the Philbrook patriarch, we sponsored a PLC and an RS1 in Phoenix in 1965-66. Ken had attended a PLC in Chicago in a downtown bank building. I don't know how many sessions it held on a weekly basis. Phil already had attended courses as well. JWM, Slicker and maybe David Scott taught the RS1. Joe Pierce came later to teach for the Phoenix Cadre. We held several courses mostly weeknights. Joe Pierce was my mentor for finding a teaching style that wasn't masculine confronting.
Ah, those were the days.
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On Wed Apr 28 11:09:49 MDT 2021 James Wiegel via OE wrote: My first pedagogy was in spring of 1967, in the southwest corner of the gym. I signed up for Bonhoeffer, then stayed awake most of the night trying to convince myself that as a free man, I didn’t have to do it. (Sigh). Bob Fishel was the teacher. About halfway through the seminar he stopped me and asked, “Are you going to let the rest of us participate?”
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On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:01 AM, Lawrence Philbrook via OE <
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Jean I think it was 1964. I can easily imagine your teaching style challenging everyone it still does :-)
I remember the course happening in Tempe Ariz but I was not yet 10 so a little hazy. I didn’t get to take my first RS1 until we were in Chicago later in 64 or 65. Dad taught it to me in our apartment and used a TV show called Laredo instead of Requiem.
I remember my first pedagogy in the academy and someone telling me to stop trying to teach like Phil, I think it was Bob Shropshire but I had a lot of pedagogy sessions over the years with a lot of teachers including Baliley’s, Troxel, even one session in DC with Frank Hilliard.
With love and respect, Larry
On Apr 27, 2021, at 8:20 PM, Jean Watts < jeankwatts@icloud.com
wrote:
Thanks Jim for videos of Slicker. My response is way too long but of course there had to be discussions of what should remain or replace any part of the final RS-I course.
Can’t remember actually how or when that which I think was called religious studies became a 44 hour course call RS-I. I was only 21 at the time! It was because I first experienced it in pieces and not necessarily in the sequential order of the final course. I remember how excited Jack was with all of it and how he tried (in my opinion) to copy the way JWM was doing it at SMU. I loved the participatory way we studied the stories or papers but not particularly JWM’s style of doing it. I had studied the bible and the stories of the bible and knew all the parables but it was so much more enjoyable to listen to the personal stories the teachers shared and asked questions so that everyone shared theirs. Then in 1994 (I think JWM (with I think Joe Slicker and maybe Joe Pierce or David McClesky) came to New Orleans to teach the 44 hour RSI course that Jack and I had recruited all our family and friends to attend. I was very disappointed! They had left out quite a lot of material that I had really resonated with especially regarding what GOD, Jesus, the CHRIST, and Holy Spirit were or meant. What seemed to me at the time to be missing was the embracing nature of the Way Life Is regardless of my response to it at the time. And Jesus as the “way, truth, and Life, seemed to be missing or not obviously connected for me. But I liked the All is Good, I am Received, Past is Approved, and the Future is Open. I felt the course completely left out the essence of the Holy Spirit part of the Trinity. And the word “care” did not hold within it the sacred or holy or deeper/ultimate meaning of the word “love” for me because it left out the unconditional part of it. It also seemed to leave out " the Way Life Is" always ultimately is of benefit to human beings, whether of course in the moment, situation, or experience one thinks or feels that it is experiencing something that is not to his or her benefit.
But after that very first RS-I event a cadre was formed that met weekly I think. The Holcombs, Priest Alerdine, Carlos Zervigon and first wife, the Joe and Joy Thomas, my Mother, Pat Tueke before she married Dan) the Philbrooks,were whom some of you may remember and others who I can’t remember their names now were apart of it. And it was fun to meet and talk about how the Church might be more of a help to those suffering innocently, and be instruments of service to their parishes and ultimately to the whole world.
Jack and I moved to Chicago when their was then room for us to join the original group in Chicago in 1966. When I got my first assignment to attend Pegagogy I had told Jack who told JWM I would not be coming because I did not want to “teach” it. So JWM came to our apt to escort me at the time it was suppose to start to the class which he was teaching. So I went! And I was terrible at carrying out my assigned parts of the course. My stories were so “different” than those the others used etc. etc. etc. and I felt uncomfortable and unable to “copy the masculine pedagogy style” that I saw the other women willing and able to do at the time. I remember how skillfully encouraging and lovingly JWM responded to my performances as a pedagogue, but many of the others were quite critical. Someone told me later how I had completely changed to “right order” of the 4 by 4 lecture in the manual. I had gone down each column rather than across it. No wonder my “stories were so different! Jean
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