Susan, It was a typo. It was 1964. Jean
On Apr 28, 2021, at 11:49 AM, Susan Fertig <sfertig@blueskytech.us <mailto:sfertig@blueskytech.us>> wrote:
Jean, did you possibly mean 1974??? (instead of 1994)
Your story resonated with me; I don’t (having not heard them) know how your treatment of the 4 x 4 would have!
Susan
Susan Fertig-Dykes
And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought . Isaiah 58:11
From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net>> On Behalf Of Jean Watts via OE Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 11:21 PM To: Jim Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com <mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com>>; Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Cc: Jean Watts <jeankwatts@icloud.com <mailto:jeankwatts@icloud.com>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Tillich and . . .
Thanks Jim for videos of Slicker. My response is way too long but of course there had to be discussions of what should remain or replace any part of the final RS-I course.
Can’t remember actually how or when that which I think was called religious studies became a 44 hour course call RS-I. I was only 21 at the time! It was because I first experienced it in pieces and not necessarily in the sequential order of the final course. I remember how excited Jack was with all of it and how he tried (in my opinion) to copy the way JWM was doing it at SMU. I loved the participatory way we studied the stories or papers but not particularly JWM’s style of doing it. I had studied the bible and the stories of the bible and knew all the parables but it was so much more enjoyable to listen to the personal stories the teachers shared and asked questions so that everyone shared theirs. Then in 1994 (I think JWM (with I think Joe Slicker and maybe Joe Pierce or David McClesky) came to New Orleans to teach the 44 hour RSI course that Jack and I had recruited all our family and friends to attend. I was very disappointed! They had left out quite a lot of material that I had really resonated with especially regarding what GOD, Jesus, the CHRIST, and Holy Spirit were or meant. What seemed to me at the time to be missing was the embracing nature of the Way Life Is regardless of my response to it at the time. And Jesus as the “way, truth, and Life, seemed to be missing or not obviously connected for me. But I liked the All is Good, I am Received, Past is Approved, and the Future is Open. I felt the course completely left out the essence of the Holy Spirit part of the Trinity. And the word “care” did not hold within it the sacred or holy or deeper/ultimate meaning of the word “love” for me because it left out the unconditional part of it. It also seemed to leave out " the Way Life Is" always ultimately is of benefit to human beings, whether of course in the moment, situation, or experience one thinks or feels that it is experiencing something that is not to his or her benefit.
But after that very first RS-I event a cadre was formed that met weekly I think. The Holcombs, Priest Alerdine, Carlos Zervigon and first wife, the Joe and Joy Thomas, my Mother, Pat Tueke before she married Dan) the Philbrooks,were whom some of you may remember and others who I can’t remember their names now were apart of it. And it was fun to meet and talk about how the Church might be more of a help to those suffering innocently, and be instruments of service to their parishes and ultimately to the whole world.
Jack and I moved to Chicago when their was then room for us to join the original group in Chicago in 1966. When I got my first assignment to attend Pegagogy I had told Jack who told JWM I would not be coming because I did not want to “teach” it. So JWM came to our apt to escort me at the time it was suppose to start to the class which he was teaching. So I went! And I was terrible at carrying out my assigned parts of the course. My stories were so “different” than those the others used etc. etc. etc. and I felt uncomfortable and unable to “copy the masculine pedagogy style” that I saw the other women willing and able to do at the time. I remember how skillfully encouraging and lovingly JWM responded to my performances as a pedagogue, but many of the others were quite critical. Someone told me later how I had completely changed to “right order” of the 4 by 4 lecture in the manual. I had gone down each column rather than across it. No wonder my “stories were so different! Jean
On Apr 27, 2021, at 9:08 AM, James Wiegel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
It would be great and instructive to detail a t the wider history of the RS-1 course. Apparently the 44 hours did not fall complete from heaven. I took the course in November 25-27, 1966 and returned for RS-1 Pedagogy sometime in the spring of 1967. By that time, there was a manual and the course was an amazingly crafted event. Mary Laura Jones once described her earlier experience of "RS-1" as a weekend at a camp with Joe Mathews talking. Here is Joe Slicker with 2 remembrances from the 1950's . . .
20 A Seminar at the Church Across the Street <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnwI_z5GWh0&list=PLUk2c_1SJ0s_SYiUeyuTyzZZ8k8AUblRA&index=18>
20 A Seminar at the Church Across the Street
23 Joe Slicker My Masters Degree was RS 1 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-ly55WhjSk&list=PLUk2c_1SJ0s82ALQvVkg5VLcDiUxrEmrs&index=30>
23 Joe Slicker My Masters Degree was RS 1
And another remembrance from Lois Boyd, a trip from Norman. Oklahoma to Austin, Texas one weekend -- undated. Strane Forty-Four Hours <https://wedgeblade.net/gold_path/data/hisj/10001103.htm>
Strane Forty-Four Hours
Then back to Joe Slicker -- 48 Joe Slicker We Saw the Rise in RS 1's Go Over the Hill <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfUS8VPpKn4&list=PLUk2c_1SJ0s_SYiUeyuTyzZZ8k8AUblRA&index=43>
48 Joe Slicker We Saw the Rise in RS 1's Go Over the Hill
Jean Watts has experience going back to the Christian Faith and Life Community and might have something to add.
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On Monday, April 26, 2021, 09:32:15 PM MST, Len Hockley via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
Hi, I was there with Gordon in summer 1966. I have no memory of such a heresy!! Please tell me more. Len
On 4/26/2021 4:35 PM, Laura Grover via OE wrote: Dear Friends,
I was browsing around in the Archives Spirit Movement collection this morning and came across a video/audio clip of Gordon Harper talking about some of his memories of the earlier days of his involvement in the Spirit Movement.
His comments about a meeting in Detroit the summer of 1966 caught my attention. Evidently the group was discussing whether or not to use the Tillich paper in RS-1. Can you even imagine NOT having the Tillich paper in RS-1? Not going out of the church and playing the Tillich game?
So, do any of you know anything about this discussion? What was the issue with the Tillich paper that was causing concern?
And, if not the Tillich paper, what other paper was being discussed as an alternative?
Thanks for any input you may have.
Laura Grover
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