Hi, all, I am in the final editing process of finishing the book Wayne started, Getting to the Bottom of ToP: The Foundations of ToP Methods. In an introduction of the Consensus Workshop Method, Wayne had a paragraph that went: "One of Mathews’ firm beliefs was that the role of the church is to act out its faith in the world. The workshop method was, perhaps, the clearest step into the world in that it provided a practical way for any group in any context to examine a situation and form practical responses. The story goes that one of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City with a group of youth in and on the edges of criminal gangs." <> This is where his story ends. A couple of people editing the book asked “What is the rest of the story?” Unfortunately, I don’t know what Wayne would have said, and I don’t know the rest of that particular story. I’m thinking to replace that story with a story that I know about, but I need to check the specifics. This is what I currently have to replace Wayne’s sentence: "One of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City. A group of community leaders and ICA staff met to articulate the problems in the community. They started brainstorming problems until three huge blackboards were filled with hundreds of different problems. The group was overwhelmed and in despair. Someone said, “Let’s try to cluster similar problems together to see if we can see some patterns that will reveal some root problems. The clustering revealed about 20 root issues, and the group began to have a hope that perhaps they could address them.” Can anyone finish Wayne’s story, confirm my story and the details of it, or give me another succinct story of the earliest use of the brainstorming/clustering/naming process? With gratitude, Jo Nelson -- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson@ica-associates.ca> Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. M5V 3A8 Ph. 1 416-691-2316, x2230 Toll-free 1 877-691-1422 Fax 1 416-691-2491 Website http://ica-associates.ca Cellphone 647 233 6910 Skype “jofacilitator” Vendor of Record: Government of Ontario Learning and Training Services #OSS00536903 Vendor of Record: ProServices Canada E60ZT-120001/826/ZT Business Consulting/Change Management Pre-qualified Vendor, Alberta Education Resource List “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. Richard Buckminster Fuller”
My memory is that your second story is the way it happened and that the total number of brainstormed issues was 5,000. We did not invent brainstorming however. Don Bushman On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Jo Nelson via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Hi, all,
I am in the final editing process of finishing the book Wayne started, *Getting to the Bottom of ToP: The Foundations of ToP Methods.*
In an introduction of the Consensus Workshop Method, Wayne had a paragraph that went:
"One of Mathews’ firm beliefs was that the role of the church is to act out its faith in the world. The workshop method was, perhaps, the clearest step into the world in that it provided a practical way for any group in any context to examine a situation and form practical responses. The story goes that one of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City with a group of youth in and on the edges of criminal gangs." This is where his story ends. A couple of people editing the book asked “What is the rest of the story?”
Unfortunately, I don’t know what Wayne would have said, and I don’t know the rest of that particular story.
I’m thinking to replace that story with a story that I know about, but I need to check the specifics.
This is what I currently have to replace Wayne’s sentence:
"One of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City. A group of community leaders and ICA staff met to articulate the problems in the community. They started brainstorming problems until three huge blackboards were filled with hundreds of different problems. The group was overwhelmed and in despair. Someone said, “Let’s try to cluster similar problems together to see if we can see some patterns that will reveal some root problems. The clustering revealed about 20 root issues, and the group began to have a hope that perhaps they could address them.”
Can anyone finish Wayne’s story, confirm my story and the details of it, or give me another succinct story of the earliest use of the brainstorming/clustering/naming process? With gratitude, Jo Nelson
-- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson@ica-associates.ca> Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. M5V 3A8
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Thank you, Don. This is very helpful. I had heard that it was 900 problems. Whatever it was, it was definitely overwhelming! I know we did not invent brainstorming. However, we did invent gestalting the data — looking for larger patterns in the data rather than sorting into categories. And we added individual and small group brainstorming before group brainstorming, which addresses much of the current criticism that brainstorming as a group is not very effective. We have also relatively recently added a simple focused conversation to do naming, which captures insightful results in a much shorter time. And all of the method is an application of the deeper phenomenological method, which is where the magic of the process is….. I am so grateful to have had a lifetime of working with profound method. Take care, Jo
On Oct 6, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Don Bushman <onedonbushman@gmail.com> wrote:
My memory is that your second story is the way it happened and that the total number of brainstormed issues was 5,000. We did not invent brainstorming however.
Don Bushman
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: Hi, all,
I am in the final editing process of finishing the book Wayne started, Getting to the Bottom of ToP: The Foundations of ToP Methods.
In an introduction of the Consensus Workshop Method, Wayne had a paragraph that went: "One of Mathews’ firm beliefs was that the role of the church is to act out its faith in the world. The workshop method was, perhaps, the clearest step into the world in that it provided a practical way for any group in any context to examine a situation and form practical responses. The story goes that one of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City with a group of youth in and on the edges of criminal gangs." <> This is where his story ends. A couple of people editing the book asked “What is the rest of the story?”
Unfortunately, I don’t know what Wayne would have said, and I don’t know the rest of that particular story.
I’m thinking to replace that story with a story that I know about, but I need to check the specifics.
This is what I currently have to replace Wayne’s sentence:
"One of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City. A group of community leaders and ICA staff met to articulate the problems in the community. They started brainstorming problems until three huge blackboards were filled with hundreds of different problems. The group was overwhelmed and in despair. Someone said, “Let’s try to cluster similar problems together to see if we can see some patterns that will reveal some root problems. The clustering revealed about 20 root issues, and the group began to have a hope that perhaps they could address them.”
Can anyone finish Wayne’s story, confirm my story and the details of it, or give me another succinct story of the earliest use of the brainstorming/clustering/naming process?
With gratitude, Jo Nelson
-- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson@ica-associates.ca <http://associates.ca/>> Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. M5V 3A8
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As I remember the story, folks went around the 5th City community looking for the problems, all the problems (one of the 5th City presuppositions) and found 500 and some odd of them (there was a specific number that they found in the story) and these were the basis of the 5th City Model -- here is an excerpt from testimony on 5th City to the US Congress "Second to imaginal education in import is the creation of the "grassroot" social construct. This begins with an inclusive analysis of the human problems in the area, the constant problem being a lack of adequate structures. In Fifth City a problem mat was constructed which identified over six hundred surface problem areas and organized them under five rubrics: economic, political, education, arts and life style." You can find the 5th City Social model that resulted HERE.Assets - Fifth City | | | | | | | | | | | Assets - Fifth City Links to further resources about Fifth City Village leader in rural India with pictu... | | | | Jim Wiegel “If you want an adventure . . . what a time to be alive!”. Joanna Macy 401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353623-363-3277jfwiegel@yahoo.comwww.partnersinparticipation.com Upcoming ToP training opportunities in Arizona More info on: ToP® Facilitation Methods ToP® Strategic Planning: Mastering the Technology of Participation Register on line / see the ToP National ScheduleAICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP® courses The AZ ToP® Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday, of every month, 1-4 pm, at ACYR, 648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003 From: Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Don Bushman <onedonbushman@gmail.com> Cc: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Testing a story Thank you, Don. This is very helpful. I had heard that it was 900 problems. Whatever it was, it was definitely overwhelming! I know we did not invent brainstorming. However, we did invent gestalting the data — looking for larger patterns in the data rather than sorting into categories. And we added individual and small group brainstorming before group brainstorming, which addresses much of the current criticism that brainstorming as a group is not very effective. We have also relatively recently added a simple focused conversation to do naming, which captures insightful results in a much shorter time. And all of the method is an application of the deeper phenomenological method, which is where the magic of the process is….. I am so grateful to have had a lifetime of working with profound method. Take care,Jo On Oct 6, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Don Bushman <onedonbushman@gmail.com> wrote: My memory is that your second story is the way it happened and that the total number of brainstormed issues was 5,000. We did not invent brainstorming however. Don Bushman On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Hi, all, I am in the final editing process of finishing the book Wayne started, Getting to the Bottom of ToP: The Foundations of ToP Methods. In an introduction of the Consensus Workshop Method, Wayne had a paragraph that went:"One of Mathews’firm beliefs was that the role of the church is to act out its faith in theworld. The workshop method was, perhaps, the clearest step into the world inthat it provided a practical way for any group in any context to examine asituation and form practical responses. The story goes that one of the first uses ofthe method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called5th City with a group of youth in and on the edges of criminalgangs."This is where his story ends. A couple of people editing the book asked “What is the rest of the story?” Unfortunately, I don’t know what Wayne would have said, and I don’t know the rest of that particular story. I’m thinking to replace that story with a story that I know about, but I need to check the specifics. This is what I currently have to replace Wayne’s sentence: "One of thefirst uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community developmentproject called 5th City. Agroup of community leaders and ICA staff met to articulate the problems in thecommunity. They started brainstormingproblems until three huge blackboards were filled with hundreds of differentproblems. The group was overwhelmed andin despair. Someone said, “Let’s try tocluster similar problems together to see if we can see some patterns that will revealsome root problems. The clusteringrevealed about 20 root issues, and the group began to have a hope that perhapsthey could address them.”Can anyone finish Wayne’s story, confirm my story and the details of it, or give me another succinct story of the earliest use of the brainstorming/clustering/ naming process?With gratitude,Jo Nelson -- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson@ica-associates.ca> Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. M5V 3A8 Ph. 1 416-691-2316, x2230 Toll-free 1 877-691- 1422 Fax 1 416-691-2491 Website http://ica-associates. ca Cellphone 647 233 6910 Skype “jofacilitator” <IAF-CPF-Logo-email.jpeg> Vendor of Record: Government of Ontario Learning and Training Services #OSS00536903Vendor of Record: ProServices Canada E60ZT-120001/826/ZT Business Consulting/Change Management Pre-qualified Vendor, Alberta Education Resource List “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. Richard Buckminster Fuller” ______________________________ _________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/ listinfo.cgi/dialogue- wedgeblade.net -- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson@ica-associates.ca> Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. M5V 3A8 Ph. 1 416-691-2316, x2230 Toll-free 1 877-691-1422 Fax 1 416-691-2491 Website http://ica-associates.ca Cellphone 647 233 6910 Skype “jofacilitator” Vendor of Record: Government of Ontario Learning and Training Services #OSS00536903Vendor of Record: ProServices Canada E60ZT-120001/826/ZT Business Consulting/Change Management Pre-qualified Vendor, Alberta Education Resource List “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. Richard Buckminster Fuller” _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net
Cool. Thank you, Jim! From the mobile desk of Jo Nelson
On Oct 6, 2016, at 5:05 PM, James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> wrote:
As I remember the story, folks went around the 5th City community looking for the problems, all the problems (one of the 5th City presuppositions) and found 500 and some odd of them (there was a specific number that they found in the story) and these were the basis of the 5th City Model -- here is an excerpt from testimony on 5th City to the US Congress
"Second to imaginal education in import is the creation of the "grassroot" social construct. This begins with an inclusive analysis of the human problems in the area, the constant problem being a lack of adequate structures. In Fifth City a problem mat was constructed which identified over six hundred surface problem areas and organized them under five rubrics: economic, political, education, arts and life style."
You can find the 5th City Social model that resulted HERE. Assets - Fifth City
Assets - Fifth City Links to further resources about Fifth City Village leader in rural India with pictu...
Jim Wiegel “If you want an adventure . . . what a time to be alive!”. Joanna Macy
401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com
Upcoming ToP training opportunities in Arizona
More info on:
ToP® Facilitation Methods ToP® Strategic Planning: Mastering the Technology of Participation
Register on line / see the ToP National Schedule AICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP® courses
The AZ ToP® Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday, of every month, 1-4 pm, at ACYR, 648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003
From: Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Don Bushman <onedonbushman@gmail.com> Cc: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Testing a story
Thank you, Don. This is very helpful. I had heard that it was 900 problems. Whatever it was, it was definitely overwhelming!
I know we did not invent brainstorming. However, we did invent gestalting the data — looking for larger patterns in the data rather than sorting into categories. And we added individual and small group brainstorming before group brainstorming, which addresses much of the current criticism that brainstorming as a group is not very effective.
We have also relatively recently added a simple focused conversation to do naming, which captures insightful results in a much shorter time.
And all of the method is an application of the deeper phenomenological method, which is where the magic of the process is…..
I am so grateful to have had a lifetime of working with profound method.
Take care, Jo
On Oct 6, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Don Bushman <onedonbushman@gmail.com> wrote:
My memory is that your second story is the way it happened and that the total number of brainstormed issues was 5,000. We did not invent brainstorming however.
Don Bushman
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Hi, all,
I am in the final editing process of finishing the book Wayne started, Getting to the Bottom of ToP: The Foundations of ToP Methods.
In an introduction of the Consensus Workshop Method, Wayne had a paragraph that went: "One of Mathews’ firm beliefs was that the role of the church is to act out its faith in the world. The workshop method was, perhaps, the clearest step into the world in that it provided a practical way for any group in any context to examine a situation and form practical responses. The story goes that one of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City with a group of youth in and on the edges of criminal gangs." This is where his story ends. A couple of people editing the book asked “What is the rest of the story?”
Unfortunately, I don’t know what Wayne would have said, and I don’t know the rest of that particular story.
I’m thinking to replace that story with a story that I know about, but I need to check the specifics. This is what I currently have to replace Wayne’s sentence: "One of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City. A group of community leaders and ICA staff met to articulate the problems in the community. They started brainstorming problems until three huge blackboards were filled with hundreds of different problems. The group was overwhelmed and in despair. Someone said, “Let’s try to cluster similar problems together to see if we can see some patterns that will reveal some root problems. The clustering revealed about 20 root issues, and the group began to have a hope that perhaps they could address them.” Can anyone finish Wayne’s story, confirm my story and the details of it, or give me another succinct story of the earliest use of the brainstorming/clustering/ naming process? With gratitude, Jo Nelson
-- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson@ica-associates.ca> Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. M5V 3A8
Ph. 1 416-691-2316, x2230 Toll-free 1 877-691- 1422 Fax 1 416-691-2491 Website http://ica-associates. ca Cellphone 647 233 6910 Skype “jofacilitator”
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Ph. 1 416-691-2316, x2230 Toll-free 1 877-691-1422 Fax 1 416-691-2491 Website http://ica-associates.ca Cellphone 647 233 6910 Skype “jofacilitator”
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Don, the naming process is simple. Wayne came up with it one day and we all went Duh! O. Read the cards in the column out loud. R. What key words on the cards jump out at you? I. Explore the insight behind this cluster -- what is the larger answer to the focus question that all these cards are pointing to? D. Summarize the insight in a phrase that answers the focus question and write it on a card. From the mobile desk of Jo Nelson
On Oct 6, 2016, at 5:05 PM, James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> wrote:
As I remember the story, folks went around the 5th City community looking for the problems, all the problems (one of the 5th City presuppositions) and found 500 and some odd of them (there was a specific number that they found in the story) and these were the basis of the 5th City Model -- here is an excerpt from testimony on 5th City to the US Congress
"Second to imaginal education in import is the creation of the "grassroot" social construct. This begins with an inclusive analysis of the human problems in the area, the constant problem being a lack of adequate structures. In Fifth City a problem mat was constructed which identified over six hundred surface problem areas and organized them under five rubrics: economic, political, education, arts and life style."
You can find the 5th City Social model that resulted HERE. Assets - Fifth City
Assets - Fifth City Links to further resources about Fifth City Village leader in rural India with pictu...
Jim Wiegel “If you want an adventure . . . what a time to be alive!”. Joanna Macy
401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com
Upcoming ToP training opportunities in Arizona
More info on:
ToP® Facilitation Methods ToP® Strategic Planning: Mastering the Technology of Participation
Register on line / see the ToP National Schedule AICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP® courses
The AZ ToP® Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday, of every month, 1-4 pm, at ACYR, 648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003
From: Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Don Bushman <onedonbushman@gmail.com> Cc: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Testing a story
Thank you, Don. This is very helpful. I had heard that it was 900 problems. Whatever it was, it was definitely overwhelming!
I know we did not invent brainstorming. However, we did invent gestalting the data — looking for larger patterns in the data rather than sorting into categories. And we added individual and small group brainstorming before group brainstorming, which addresses much of the current criticism that brainstorming as a group is not very effective.
We have also relatively recently added a simple focused conversation to do naming, which captures insightful results in a much shorter time.
And all of the method is an application of the deeper phenomenological method, which is where the magic of the process is…..
I am so grateful to have had a lifetime of working with profound method.
Take care, Jo
On Oct 6, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Don Bushman <onedonbushman@gmail.com> wrote:
My memory is that your second story is the way it happened and that the total number of brainstormed issues was 5,000. We did not invent brainstorming however.
Don Bushman
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Hi, all,
I am in the final editing process of finishing the book Wayne started, Getting to the Bottom of ToP: The Foundations of ToP Methods.
In an introduction of the Consensus Workshop Method, Wayne had a paragraph that went: "One of Mathews’ firm beliefs was that the role of the church is to act out its faith in the world. The workshop method was, perhaps, the clearest step into the world in that it provided a practical way for any group in any context to examine a situation and form practical responses. The story goes that one of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City with a group of youth in and on the edges of criminal gangs." This is where his story ends. A couple of people editing the book asked “What is the rest of the story?”
Unfortunately, I don’t know what Wayne would have said, and I don’t know the rest of that particular story.
I’m thinking to replace that story with a story that I know about, but I need to check the specifics. This is what I currently have to replace Wayne’s sentence: "One of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City. A group of community leaders and ICA staff met to articulate the problems in the community. They started brainstorming problems until three huge blackboards were filled with hundreds of different problems. The group was overwhelmed and in despair. Someone said, “Let’s try to cluster similar problems together to see if we can see some patterns that will reveal some root problems. The clustering revealed about 20 root issues, and the group began to have a hope that perhaps they could address them.” Can anyone finish Wayne’s story, confirm my story and the details of it, or give me another succinct story of the earliest use of the brainstorming/clustering/ naming process? With gratitude, Jo Nelson
-- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson@ica-associates.ca> Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. M5V 3A8
Ph. 1 416-691-2316, x2230 Toll-free 1 877-691- 1422 Fax 1 416-691-2491 Website http://ica-associates. ca Cellphone 647 233 6910 Skype “jofacilitator”
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Ph. 1 416-691-2316, x2230 Toll-free 1 877-691-1422 Fax 1 416-691-2491 Website http://ica-associates.ca Cellphone 647 233 6910 Skype “jofacilitator”
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We all look forward to Wayne’s book and are most grateful for your polishing and completing the book. What an awesome task. With care, Lynda and John From: Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Reply-To: Jo Nelson <jnelson@ica-associates.ca<mailto:jnelson@ica-associates.ca>>, Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Date: Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 6:37 PM To: Jim and Judy Weigle <jfwiegel@yahoo.com<mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com>> Cc: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Testing a story Don, the naming process is simple. Wayne came up with it one day and we all went Duh! O. Read the cards in the column out loud. R. What key words on the cards jump out at you? I. Explore the insight behind this cluster -- what is the larger answer to the focus question that all these cards are pointing to? D. Summarize the insight in a phrase that answers the focus question and write it on a card.
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On Oct 6, 2016, at 5:05 PM, James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com<mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com>> wrote: As I remember the story, folks went around the 5th City community looking for the problems, all the problems (one of the 5th City presuppositions) and found 500 and some odd of them (there was a specific number that they found in the story) and these were the basis of the 5th City Model -- here is an excerpt from testimony on 5th City to the US Congress "Second to imaginal education in import is the creation of the "grassroot" social construct. This begins with an inclusive analysis of the human problems in the area, the constant problem being a lack of adequate structures. In Fifth City a problem mat was constructed which identified over six hundred surface problem areas and organized them under five rubrics: economic, political, education, arts and life style." You can find the 5th City Social model that resulted HERE. Assets - Fifth City<https://wedgeblade.net/wordpress/fifthcity/collection-items/> <https://wedgeblade.net/wordpress/fifthcity/collection-items/> Assets - Fifth City Links to further resources about Fifth City Village leader in rural India with pictu... Jim Wiegel<http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=123> “If you want an adventure . . . what a time to be alive!”. Joanna Macy 401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com<mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com<http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/> Upcoming ToP training opportunities in Arizona<http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=10> More info on: ToP® Facilitation Methods<http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=48> ToP® Strategic Planning<http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=50>: Mastering the Technology of Participation<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz3mniiYCdI> Register on line / see the ToP National Schedule<http://www.top-training.net/> AICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP® courses The AZ ToP® Community of Practice<http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=203> meets the 1st Friday, of every month, 1-4 pm, at ACYR, 648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003<https://www.google.com/maps/place/648+N+5th+Ave/@33.456329,-112.080545,16z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x872b123a5312512d:0x93c9f71171108956?hl=> ________________________________ From: Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> To: Don Bushman <onedonbushman@gmail.com<mailto:onedonbushman@gmail.com>> Cc: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Testing a story Thank you, Don. This is very helpful. I had heard that it was 900 problems. Whatever it was, it was definitely overwhelming! I know we did not invent brainstorming. However, we did invent gestalting the data — looking for larger patterns in the data rather than sorting into categories. And we added individual and small group brainstorming before group brainstorming, which addresses much of the current criticism that brainstorming as a group is not very effective. We have also relatively recently added a simple focused conversation to do naming, which captures insightful results in a much shorter time. And all of the method is an application of the deeper phenomenological method, which is where the magic of the process is….. I am so grateful to have had a lifetime of working with profound method. Take care, Jo On Oct 6, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Don Bushman <onedonbushman@gmail.com<mailto:onedonbushman@gmail.com>> wrote: My memory is that your second story is the way it happened and that the total number of brainstormed issues was 5,000. We did not invent brainstorming however. Don Bushman On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: Hi, all, I am in the final editing process of finishing the book Wayne started, Getting to the Bottom of ToP: The Foundations of ToP Methods. In an introduction of the Consensus Workshop Method, Wayne had a paragraph that went: "One of Mathews’ firm beliefs was that the role of the church is to act out its faith in the world. The workshop method was, perhaps, the clearest step into the world in that it provided a practical way for any group in any context to examine a situation and form practical responses. The story goes that one of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City with a group of youth in and on the edges of criminal gangs." This is where his story ends. A couple of people editing the book asked “What is the rest of the story?” Unfortunately, I don’t know what Wayne would have said, and I don’t know the rest of that particular story. I’m thinking to replace that story with a story that I know about, but I need to check the specifics. This is what I currently have to replace Wayne’s sentence: "One of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City. A group of community leaders and ICA staff met to articulate the problems in the community. They started brainstorming problems until three huge blackboards were filled with hundreds of different problems. The group was overwhelmed and in despair. Someone said, “Let’s try to cluster similar problems together to see if we can see some patterns that will reveal some root problems. The clustering revealed about 20 root issues, and the group began to have a hope that perhaps they could address them.” Can anyone finish Wayne’s story, confirm my story and the details of it, or give me another succinct story of the earliest use of the brainstorming/clustering/ naming process? With gratitude, Jo Nelson -- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson@ica-associates.ca<http://associates.ca/>> Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. 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Hi Jo, The Crockers have just moved a week ago, so there is not much time to read and respond to e-mail. However, if I might weigh in on the question of the origin of “our methods” – and I would recommend you talk with Sarah Buss and Aimee Hilliard before you print much, as they were there in the foundations of 3444 West Congress Parkway where the germs of the methods were initially refined. Joe and I were married in 1967 (JWM officiated at Boston University’s Marsh Chapel where Joe did his M Div.) and we joined the Order as Interns in June 1968. When we left to do our first International Teaching Trek with David McCleskey in spring 1969 the “mode du jour” of strategic development was “battleplanning.” Brainstorming and organizing was in its nascent forms. That is what we shared with our colleagues in the ITIs in Singapore, Hong Kong, Jabalpur and Addis Ababa. We (the OE) created the LCX booklets only just after 1970 and the Jabalpur ITI participants were the first to benefit. I remember clearly, since Chicago was unable to send the booklets to the participants for the final course, and Kaye Hayes and I began to dutifully type all that verbiage, under the direction of Joe Slicker, who had the day before sent a message to JWM in Chicago “May Day, May Day!” Only a fellow WW II vet would have understood. When the Weigels and Crockers travelled with JWM to launch the first 8 of the initial 24 HDPs in 1975, the LENS, SP, ToPs processes were nascent at best. In fact, they built on what we developed in the field. We (Jim, Judy, JWM, Joe, Marilyn, Lis, Garnet and others who trekked from site to site) fine-tuned and honed the process we inherited, project, after project after project. JWM assigned me to “watch me and write down what I am doing” – which led to the first HDP Consult Textbook. He asked Judy to capture and promote the design of what we were doing, that led to the charts in the HDP reports. He asked Joe to figure out how to get to the root causes beneath the issues and irritants and to express them as fundamental contradictions (that which contradicts the vision of a new reality). He asked Jim to transform the many tactics that had been generated from the Proposals Plenary (broad strategies) into doable actions that could be plotted on a one, then a two-year calendar. And Jim invented the scatter cards (now used by many planning competitors) at the Jeju Consult. And we labored for DAYS in Canberra (after Oombulgurri) to discern how to tease out the” actuating programmes” from the complex tactical programmes, not to speak of the “Anticipated Benefits” section of the document, which JWM insisted was critical. And we DID and now I believe him. That is was important. Joe and I loved working with Jim and Judy on these groundbreaking projects (which ultimately led to LENS, TOPs, etc.) that were originally born in the cauldron of “the village” the classroom, the church, the community, the local town hall.. I’m thinking of late that the “systemitization”( if that is even the right term) of our methods might be a gross simplification of, and even a demeaning of the power of “our methods.” How can we lay out the steps by steps for what we know is an organic process of transformation, and some one of us –who knows -- might be the catalyst.? Grace, peace and love, Marilyn and Joe Crocker 62 Charles Wesley Court Wells, ME 04090 207-502-7737 From: Dialogue [mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jo Nelson via Dialogue Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 6:37 PM To: James Wiegel Cc: Colleague Dialogue Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Testing a story Don, the naming process is simple. Wayne came up with it one day and we all went Duh! O. Read the cards in the column out loud. R. What key words on the cards jump out at you? I. Explore the insight behind this cluster -- what is the larger answer to the focus question that all these cards are pointing to? D. Summarize the insight in a phrase that answers the focus question and write it on a card.
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Jo Nelson On Oct 6, 2016, at 5:05 PM, James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> wrote: As I remember the story, folks went around the 5th City community looking for the problems, all the problems (one of the 5th City presuppositions) and found 500 and some odd of them (there was a specific number that they found in the story) and these were the basis of the 5th City Model -- here is an excerpt from testimony on 5th City to the US Congress "Second to imaginal education in import is the creation of the "grassroot" social construct. This begins with an inclusive analysis of the human problems in the area, the constant problem being a lack of adequate structures. In Fifth City a problem mat was constructed which identified over six hundred surface problem areas and organized them under five rubrics: economic, political, education, arts and life style." You can find the 5th City Social model that resulted HERE. Assets - Fifth City <https://wedgeblade.net/wordpress/fifthcity/collection-items/> Assets - Fifth City Links to further resources about Fifth City Village leader in rural India with pictu... Jim Wiegel <http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=123> “If you want an adventure . . . what a time to be alive!”. Joanna Macy 401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com <mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com <http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/> Upcoming ToP training opportunities in Arizona <http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=10> More info on: ToP® Facilitation Methods <http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=48> ToP® Strategic Planning <http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=50> : Mastering the Technology of Participation <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz3mniiYCdI> Register on line / see the ToP National Schedule <http://www.top-training.net/> AICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP® courses The AZ ToP® Community of Practice <http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=203> meets the 1st Friday, of every month, 1-4 pm, at ACYR, 648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003 <https://www.google.com/maps/place/648+N+5th+Ave/@33.456329,-112.080545,16z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x872b123a5312512d:0x93c9f71171108956?hl=> _____ From: Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Don Bushman <onedonbushman@gmail.com> Cc: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Testing a story Thank you, Don. This is very helpful. I had heard that it was 900 problems. Whatever it was, it was definitely overwhelming! I know we did not invent brainstorming. However, we did invent gestalting the data — looking for larger patterns in the data rather than sorting into categories. And we added individual and small group brainstorming before group brainstorming, which addresses much of the current criticism that brainstorming as a group is not very effective. We have also relatively recently added a simple focused conversation to do naming, which captures insightful results in a much shorter time. And all of the method is an application of the deeper phenomenological method, which is where the magic of the process is….. I am so grateful to have had a lifetime of working with profound method. Take care, Jo On Oct 6, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Don Bushman <onedonbushman@gmail.com> wrote: My memory is that your second story is the way it happened and that the total number of brainstormed issues was 5,000. We did not invent brainstorming however. Don Bushman On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Hi, all, I am in the final editing process of finishing the book Wayne started, Getting to the Bottom of ToP: The Foundations of ToP Methods. In an introduction of the Consensus Workshop Method, Wayne had a paragraph that went: "One of Mathews’ firm beliefs was that the role of the church is to act out its faith in the world. The workshop method was, perhaps, the clearest step into the world in that it provided a practical way for any group in any context to examine a situation and form practical responses. The story goes that one of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City with a group of youth in and on the edges of criminal gangs." This is where his story ends. A couple of people editing the book asked “What is the rest of the story?” Unfortunately, I don’t know what Wayne would have said, and I don’t know the rest of that particular story. I’m thinking to replace that story with a story that I know about, but I need to check the specifics. This is what I currently have to replace Wayne’s sentence: "One of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City. A group of community leaders and ICA staff met to articulate the problems in the community. They started brainstorming problems until three huge blackboards were filled with hundreds of different problems. The group was overwhelmed and in despair. Someone said, “Let’s try to cluster similar problems together to see if we can see some patterns that will reveal some root problems. The clustering revealed about 20 root issues, and the group began to have a hope that perhaps they could address them.” Can anyone finish Wayne’s story, confirm my story and the details of it, or give me another succinct story of the earliest use of the brainstorming/clustering/ naming process? With gratitude, Jo Nelson -- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson@ica-associates.ca <http://associates.ca/> > Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. M5V 3A8 Ph. 1 416-691-2316, x2230 Toll-free 1 877-691- 1422 Fax 1 416-691-2491 Website http://ica-associates. ca <http://ica-associates.ca/> Cellphone 647 233 6910 Skype “jofacilitator” <IAF-CPF-Logo-email.jpeg> Vendor of Record: Government of Ontario Learning and Training Services #OSS00536903 Vendor of Record: ProServices Canada E60ZT-120001/826/ZT Business Consulting/Change Management Pre-qualified Vendor, Alberta Education Resource List “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. Richard Buckminster Fuller” ______________________________ _________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/ listinfo.cgi/dialogue- wedgeblade.net <http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net> -- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson@ica-associates.ca <http://associates.ca/> > Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. M5V 3A8 Ph. 1 416-691-2316, x2230 Toll-free 1 877-691-1422 Fax 1 416-691-2491 Website http://ica-associates.ca <http://ica-associates.ca/> Cellphone 647 233 6910 Skype “jofacilitator” <IAF-CPF-Logo-email.jpeg> Vendor of Record: Government of Ontario Learning and Training Services #OSS00536903 Vendor of Record: ProServices Canada E60ZT-120001/826/ZT Business Consulting/Change Management Pre-qualified Vendor, Alberta Education Resource List “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. Richard Buckminster Fuller” _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net <IAF-CPF-Logo-email.jpeg>
Marilyn, Every time you write I just glow with the joy of deep knowledge and gratitude for you and Joe. What a time it was for refining the methods, exploring the edges of the deeps and just doing, doing and doing. Such a time it was! I doubt the story will ever be fully understood and I guess it really doesn’t matter. We need no credit, we need no recognition. We were just obedient to the task and the Mystery. God bless you both, and all the named and unnamed colleagues who made it happen. Grace and Peace and Love, …In deed! Jack
On Oct 6, 2016, at 20:20, Marilyn Crocker via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Hi Jo,
The Crockers have just moved a week ago, so there is not much time to read and respond to e-mail. However, if I might weigh in on the question of the origin of “our methods” – and I would recommend you talk with Sarah Buss and Aimee Hilliard before you print much, as they were there in the foundations of 3444 West Congress Parkway where the germs of the methods were initially refined.
Joe and I were married in 1967 (JWM officiated at Boston University’s Marsh Chapel where Joe did his M Div.) and we joined the Order as Interns in June 1968. When we left to do our first International Teaching Trek with David McCleskey in spring 1969 the “mode du jour” of strategic development was “battleplanning.” Brainstorming and organizing was in its nascent forms. That is what we shared with our colleagues in the ITIs in Singapore, Hong Kong, Jabalpur and Addis Ababa.
We (the OE) created the LCX booklets only just after 1970 and the Jabalpur ITI participants were the first to benefit. I remember clearly, since Chicago was unable to send the booklets to the participants for the final course, and Kaye Hayes and I began to dutifully type all that verbiage, under the direction of Joe Slicker, who had the day before sent a message to JWM in Chicago “May Day, May Day!” Only a fellow WW II vet would have understood.
When the Weigels and Crockers travelled with JWM to launch the first 8 of the initial 24 HDPs in 1975, the LENS, SP, ToPs processes were nascent at best. In fact, they built on what we developed in the field.
We (Jim, Judy, JWM, Joe, Marilyn, Lis, Garnet and others who trekked from site to site) fine-tuned and honed the process we inherited, project, after project after project. JWM assigned me to “watch me and write down what I am doing” – which led to the first HDP Consult Textbook. He asked Judy to capture and promote the design of what we were doing, that led to the charts in the HDP reports. He asked Joe to figure out how to get to the root causes beneath the issues and irritants and to express them as fundamental contradictions (that which contradicts the vision of a new reality). He asked Jim to transform the many tactics that had been generated from the Proposals Plenary (broad strategies) into doable actions that could be plotted on a one, then a two-year calendar.
And Jim invented the scatter cards (now used by many planning competitors) at the Jeju Consult.
And we labored for DAYS in Canberra (after Oombulgurri) to discern how to tease out the” actuating programmes” from the complex tactical programmes, not to speak of the “Anticipated Benefits” section of the document, which JWM insisted was critical. And we DID and now I believe him. That is was important. Joe and I loved working with Jim and Judy on these groundbreaking projects (which ultimately led to LENS, TOPs, etc.) that were originally born in the cauldron of “the village” the classroom, the church, the community, the local town hall..
I’m thinking of late that the “systemitization”( if that is even the right term) of our methods might be a gross simplification of, and even a demeaning of the power of “our methods.” How can we lay out the steps by steps for what we know is an organic process of transformation, and some one of us –who knows -- might be the catalyst.?
Grace, peace and love,
Marilyn and Joe Crocker 62 Charles Wesley Court Wells, ME 04090
207-502-7737
From: Dialogue [mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net>] On Behalf Of Jo Nelson via Dialogue Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 6:37 PM To: James Wiegel Cc: Colleague Dialogue Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Testing a story
Don, the naming process is simple. Wayne came up with it one day and we all went Duh!
O. Read the cards in the column out loud. R. What key words on the cards jump out at you? I. Explore the insight behind this cluster -- what is the larger answer to the focus question that all these cards are pointing to? D. Summarize the insight in a phrase that answers the focus question and write it on a card.
From the mobile desk of Jo Nelson
On Oct 6, 2016, at 5:05 PM, James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com <mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com>> wrote:
As I remember the story, folks went around the 5th City community looking for the problems, all the problems (one of the 5th City presuppositions) and found 500 and some odd of them (there was a specific number that they found in the story) and these were the basis of the 5th City Model -- here is an excerpt from testimony on 5th City to the US Congress
"Second to imaginal education in import is the creation of the "grassroot" social construct. This begins with an inclusive analysis of the human problems in the area, the constant problem being a lack of adequate structures. In Fifth City a problem mat was constructed which identified over six hundred surface problem areas and organized them under five rubrics: economic, political, education, arts and life style."
You can find the 5th City Social model that resulted HERE. Assets - Fifth City <https://wedgeblade.net/wordpress/fifthcity/collection-items/>
Assets - Fifth City Links to further resources about Fifth City Village leader in rural India with pictu...
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From: Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> To: Don Bushman <onedonbushman@gmail.com <mailto:onedonbushman@gmail.com>> Cc: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Testing a story
Thank you, Don. This is very helpful. I had heard that it was 900 problems. Whatever it was, it was definitely overwhelming!
I know we did not invent brainstorming. However, we did invent gestalting the data — looking for larger patterns in the data rather than sorting into categories. And we added individual and small group brainstorming before group brainstorming, which addresses much of the current criticism that brainstorming as a group is not very effective.
We have also relatively recently added a simple focused conversation to do naming, which captures insightful results in a much shorter time.
And all of the method is an application of the deeper phenomenological method, which is where the magic of the process is…..
I am so grateful to have had a lifetime of working with profound method.
Take care, Jo
On Oct 6, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Don Bushman <onedonbushman@gmail.com <mailto:onedonbushman@gmail.com>> wrote:
My memory is that your second story is the way it happened and that the total number of brainstormed issues was 5,000. We did not invent brainstorming however.
Don Bushman
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: Hi, all,
I am in the final editing process of finishing the book Wayne started, Getting to the Bottom of ToP: The Foundations of ToP Methods.
In an introduction of the Consensus Workshop Method, Wayne had a paragraph that went: "One of Mathews’ firm beliefs was that the role of the church is to act out its faith in the world. The workshop method was, perhaps, the clearest step into the world in that it provided a practical way for any group in any context to examine a situation and form practical responses. The story goes that one of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City with a group of youth in and on the edges of criminal gangs." This is where his story ends. A couple of people editing the book asked “What is the rest of the story?”
Unfortunately, I don’t know what Wayne would have said, and I don’t know the rest of that particular story.
I’m thinking to replace that story with a story that I know about, but I need to check the specifics. This is what I currently have to replace Wayne’s sentence: "One of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City. A group of community leaders and ICA staff met to articulate the problems in the community. They started brainstorming problems until three huge blackboards were filled with hundreds of different problems. The group was overwhelmed and in despair. Someone said, “Let’s try to cluster similar problems together to see if we can see some patterns that will reveal some root problems. The clustering revealed about 20 root issues, and the group began to have a hope that perhaps they could address them.” Can anyone finish Wayne’s story, confirm my story and the details of it, or give me another succinct story of the earliest use of the brainstorming/clustering/ naming process? With gratitude, Jo Nelson
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Thank you very much, Marilyn. I am grateful for all the work you all have done in developing our work. I often tell the story from the Bayad consult of how you managed to turn the back of the room(actually a tent) into the front so the women were at the front of the room! A great demonstration of quick strategic thinking that set the tone for development in Bayad. Wayne's intent with this book was not to write a history or freeze the methods in time. He realized that we were losing track of the deep philosophical roots of our methods, as the common memory was held in the heads of many of us growing older. He ferreted out the phenomenological and existential roots through conversations with old hands and lots and lots of research over several years. The week before he died he shared with me the chapter on phenomenology and for the first time I understood it. He had not finished the chapters on how the core methods are are based on the phenomenological method. I have been working for years with transmitting the profound nature of our methods through our training programs, so I am finishing those chapters. The intent is to give a new generation the foundations of ICA's methods so that we and they can continue to adapt and grow the methodology with integrity. Because of all the contributions and editing from a wide range of people, I am hoping that people will find it easier to tackle the use of ICA's methods at a profoundly human level. With gratitude, Jo From the mobile desk of Jo Nelson
On Oct 6, 2016, at 9:20 PM, Marilyn Crocker <marilyncrocker@juno.com> wrote:
Hi Jo,
The Crockers have just moved a week ago, so there is not much time to read and respond to e-mail. However, if I might weigh in on the question of the origin of “our methods” – and I would recommend you talk with Sarah Buss and Aimee Hilliard before you print much, as they were there in the foundations of 3444 West Congress Parkway where the germs of the methods were initially refined.
Joe and I were married in 1967 (JWM officiated at Boston University’s Marsh Chapel where Joe did his M Div.) and we joined the Order as Interns in June 1968. When we left to do our first International Teaching Trek with David McCleskey in spring 1969 the “mode du jour” of strategic development was “battleplanning.” Brainstorming and organizing was in its nascent forms. That is what we shared with our colleagues in the ITIs in Singapore, Hong Kong, Jabalpur and Addis Ababa.
We (the OE) created the LCX booklets only just after 1970 and the Jabalpur ITI participants were the first to benefit. I remember clearly, since Chicago was unable to send the booklets to the participants for the final course, and Kaye Hayes and I began to dutifully type all that verbiage, under the direction of Joe Slicker, who had the day before sent a message to JWM in Chicago “May Day, May Day!” Only a fellow WW II vet would have understood.
When the Weigels and Crockers travelled with JWM to launch the first 8 of the initial 24 HDPs in 1975, the LENS, SP, ToPs processes were nascent at best. In fact, they built on what we developed in the field.
We (Jim, Judy, JWM, Joe, Marilyn, Lis, Garnet and others who trekked from site to site) fine-tuned and honed the process we inherited, project, after project after project. JWM assigned me to “watch me and write down what I am doing” – which led to the first HDP Consult Textbook. He asked Judy to capture and promote the design of what we were doing, that led to the charts in the HDP reports. He asked Joe to figure out how to get to the root causes beneath the issues and irritants and to express them as fundamental contradictions (that which contradicts the vision of a new reality). He asked Jim to transform the many tactics that had been generated from the Proposals Plenary (broad strategies) into doable actions that could be plotted on a one, then a two-year calendar.
And Jim invented the scatter cards (now used by many planning competitors) at the Jeju Consult.
And we labored for DAYS in Canberra (after Oombulgurri) to discern how to tease out the” actuating programmes” from the complex tactical programmes, not to speak of the “Anticipated Benefits” section of the document, which JWM insisted was critical. And we DID and now I believe him. That is was important. Joe and I loved working with Jim and Judy on these groundbreaking projects (which ultimately led to LENS, TOPs, etc.) that were originally born in the cauldron of “the village” the classroom, the church, the community, the local town hall..
I’m thinking of late that the “systemitization”( if that is even the right term) of our methods might be a gross simplification of, and even a demeaning of the power of “our methods.” How can we lay out the steps by steps for what we know is an organic process of transformation, and some one of us –who knows -- might be the catalyst.?
Grace, peace and love,
Marilyn and Joe Crocker 62 Charles Wesley Court Wells, ME 04090
207-502-7737
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Don, the naming process is simple. Wayne came up with it one day and we all went Duh!
O. Read the cards in the column out loud. R. What key words on the cards jump out at you? I. Explore the insight behind this cluster -- what is the larger answer to the focus question that all these cards are pointing to? D. Summarize the insight in a phrase that answers the focus question and write it on a card.
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On Oct 6, 2016, at 5:05 PM, James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> wrote:
As I remember the story, folks went around the 5th City community looking for the problems, all the problems (one of the 5th City presuppositions) and found 500 and some odd of them (there was a specific number that they found in the story) and these were the basis of the 5th City Model -- here is an excerpt from testimony on 5th City to the US Congress
"Second to imaginal education in import is the creation of the "grassroot" social construct. This begins with an inclusive analysis of the human problems in the area, the constant problem being a lack of adequate structures. In Fifth City a problem mat was constructed which identified over six hundred surface problem areas and organized them under five rubrics: economic, political, education, arts and life style."
You can find the 5th City Social model that resulted HERE. Assets - Fifth City
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From: Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Don Bushman <onedonbushman@gmail.com> Cc: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Testing a story
Thank you, Don. This is very helpful. I had heard that it was 900 problems. Whatever it was, it was definitely overwhelming!
I know we did not invent brainstorming. However, we did invent gestalting the data — looking for larger patterns in the data rather than sorting into categories. And we added individual and small group brainstorming before group brainstorming, which addresses much of the current criticism that brainstorming as a group is not very effective.
We have also relatively recently added a simple focused conversation to do naming, which captures insightful results in a much shorter time.
And all of the method is an application of the deeper phenomenological method, which is where the magic of the process is…..
I am so grateful to have had a lifetime of working with profound method.
Take care, Jo
On Oct 6, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Don Bushman <onedonbushman@gmail.com> wrote:
My memory is that your second story is the way it happened and that the total number of brainstormed issues was 5,000. We did not invent brainstorming however.
Don Bushman
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Hi, all,
I am in the final editing process of finishing the book Wayne started, Getting to the Bottom of ToP: The Foundations of ToP Methods.
In an introduction of the Consensus Workshop Method, Wayne had a paragraph that went: "One of Mathews’ firm beliefs was that the role of the church is to act out its faith in the world. The workshop method was, perhaps, the clearest step into the world in that it provided a practical way for any group in any context to examine a situation and form practical responses. The story goes that one of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City with a group of youth in and on the edges of criminal gangs." This is where his story ends. A couple of people editing the book asked “What is the rest of the story?”
Unfortunately, I don’t know what Wayne would have said, and I don’t know the rest of that particular story.
I’m thinking to replace that story with a story that I know about, but I need to check the specifics. This is what I currently have to replace Wayne’s sentence: "One of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City. A group of community leaders and ICA staff met to articulate the problems in the community. They started brainstorming problems until three huge blackboards were filled with hundreds of different problems. The group was overwhelmed and in despair. Someone said, “Let’s try to cluster similar problems together to see if we can see some patterns that will reveal some root problems. The clustering revealed about 20 root issues, and the group began to have a hope that perhaps they could address them.” Can anyone finish Wayne’s story, confirm my story and the details of it, or give me another succinct story of the earliest use of the brainstorming/clustering/ naming process? With gratitude, Jo Nelson
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One wonders how the methods EI/ICA developed might blend with, and be enriched by, some of the approaches that have emerged since then. I think particularly of the ABCD Institute (Asset Based Community Development), initiated by John McKnight. (Terry Bergdall is on their Board and part of their adjunct faculty, as are folks such as Michelle Obama. Terry tells me they are currently in the process of moving their base of operations from Northwestern U. to DePaul.) The uniqueness of their approach in going into communities is, before identifying problems, to first determine what assets a community has for dealing with its own problems in terms of individuals, informal associations and formal structures. Then as problems are identified the community is more empowered to address their issues themselves and have outside resources coordinate with their initiatives rather than the other way around. Some may be aware of the book, which McKnight co-authored with Peter Block, called The Abundant Community, which lays out the understanding behind the "asset-based" method. ABCD also has some manuals detailing the practical aspects of the process. I believe that as we share our work with the world, by doing what Wayne was and Jo is doing, and what the Archives group is doing in Chicago, it's important to see how it connects with and is interrelated to what others are doing as well. Randy Sent from my iPad
On Oct 6, 2016, at 9:01 PM, Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Thank you very much, Marilyn.
I am grateful for all the work you all have done in developing our work. I often tell the story from the Bayad consult of how you managed to turn the back of the room(actually a tent) into the front so the women were at the front of the room! A great demonstration of quick strategic thinking that set the tone for development in Bayad.
Wayne's intent with this book was not to write a history or freeze the methods in time. He realized that we were losing track of the deep philosophical roots of our methods, as the common memory was held in the heads of many of us growing older. He ferreted out the phenomenological and existential roots through conversations with old hands and lots and lots of research over several years. The week before he died he shared with me the chapter on phenomenology and for the first time I understood it.
He had not finished the chapters on how the core methods are are based on the phenomenological method. I have been working for years with transmitting the profound nature of our methods through our training programs, so I am finishing those chapters.
The intent is to give a new generation the foundations of ICA's methods so that we and they can continue to adapt and grow the methodology with integrity.
Because of all the contributions and editing from a wide range of people, I am hoping that people will find it easier to tackle the use of ICA's methods at a profoundly human level.
With gratitude, Jo
From the mobile desk of Jo Nelson
On Oct 6, 2016, at 9:20 PM, Marilyn Crocker <marilyncrocker@juno.com> wrote:
Hi Jo,
The Crockers have just moved a week ago, so there is not much time to read and respond to e-mail. However, if I might weigh in on the question of the origin of “our methods” – and I would recommend you talk with Sarah Buss and Aimee Hilliard before you print much, as they were there in the foundations of 3444 West Congress Parkway where the germs of the methods were initially refined.
Joe and I were married in 1967 (JWM officiated at Boston University’s Marsh Chapel where Joe did his M Div.) and we joined the Order as Interns in June 1968. When we left to do our first International Teaching Trek with David McCleskey in spring 1969 the “mode du jour” of strategic development was “battleplanning.” Brainstorming and organizing was in its nascent forms. That is what we shared with our colleagues in the ITIs in Singapore, Hong Kong, Jabalpur and Addis Ababa.
We (the OE) created the LCX booklets only just after 1970 and the Jabalpur ITI participants were the first to benefit. I remember clearly, since Chicago was unable to send the booklets to the participants for the final course, and Kaye Hayes and I began to dutifully type all that verbiage, under the direction of Joe Slicker, who had the day before sent a message to JWM in Chicago “May Day, May Day!” Only a fellow WW II vet would have understood.
When the Weigels and Crockers travelled with JWM to launch the first 8 of the initial 24 HDPs in 1975, the LENS, SP, ToPs processes were nascent at best. In fact, they built on what we developed in the field.
We (Jim, Judy, JWM, Joe, Marilyn, Lis, Garnet and others who trekked from site to site) fine-tuned and honed the process we inherited, project, after project after project. JWM assigned me to “watch me and write down what I am doing” – which led to the first HDP Consult Textbook. He asked Judy to capture and promote the design of what we were doing, that led to the charts in the HDP reports. He asked Joe to figure out how to get to the root causes beneath the issues and irritants and to express them as fundamental contradictions (that which contradicts the vision of a new reality). He asked Jim to transform the many tactics that had been generated from the Proposals Plenary (broad strategies) into doable actions that could be plotted on a one, then a two-year calendar.
And Jim invented the scatter cards (now used by many planning competitors) at the Jeju Consult.
And we labored for DAYS in Canberra (after Oombulgurri) to discern how to tease out the” actuating programmes” from the complex tactical programmes, not to speak of the “Anticipated Benefits” section of the document, which JWM insisted was critical. And we DID and now I believe him. That is was important. Joe and I loved working with Jim and Judy on these groundbreaking projects (which ultimately led to LENS, TOPs, etc.) that were originally born in the cauldron of “the village” the classroom, the church, the community, the local town hall..
I’m thinking of late that the “systemitization”( if that is even the right term) of our methods might be a gross simplification of, and even a demeaning of the power of “our methods.” How can we lay out the steps by steps for what we know is an organic process of transformation, and some one of us –who knows -- might be the catalyst.?
Grace, peace and love,
Marilyn and Joe Crocker 62 Charles Wesley Court Wells, ME 04090
207-502-7737
From: Dialogue [mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jo Nelson via Dialogue Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 6:37 PM To: James Wiegel Cc: Colleague Dialogue Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Testing a story
Don, the naming process is simple. Wayne came up with it one day and we all went Duh!
O. Read the cards in the column out loud. R. What key words on the cards jump out at you? I. Explore the insight behind this cluster -- what is the larger answer to the focus question that all these cards are pointing to? D. Summarize the insight in a phrase that answers the focus question and write it on a card.
From the mobile desk of Jo Nelson
On Oct 6, 2016, at 5:05 PM, James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> wrote:
As I remember the story, folks went around the 5th City community looking for the problems, all the problems (one of the 5th City presuppositions) and found 500 and some odd of them (there was a specific number that they found in the story) and these were the basis of the 5th City Model -- here is an excerpt from testimony on 5th City to the US Congress
"Second to imaginal education in import is the creation of the "grassroot" social construct. This begins with an inclusive analysis of the human problems in the area, the constant problem being a lack of adequate structures. In Fifth City a problem mat was constructed which identified over six hundred surface problem areas and organized them under five rubrics: economic, political, education, arts and life style."
You can find the 5th City Social model that resulted HERE. Assets - Fifth City
Assets - Fifth City Links to further resources about Fifth City Village leader in rural India with pictu...
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From: Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Don Bushman <onedonbushman@gmail.com> Cc: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Testing a story
Thank you, Don. This is very helpful. I had heard that it was 900 problems. Whatever it was, it was definitely overwhelming!
I know we did not invent brainstorming. However, we did invent gestalting the data — looking for larger patterns in the data rather than sorting into categories. And we added individual and small group brainstorming before group brainstorming, which addresses much of the current criticism that brainstorming as a group is not very effective.
We have also relatively recently added a simple focused conversation to do naming, which captures insightful results in a much shorter time.
And all of the method is an application of the deeper phenomenological method, which is where the magic of the process is…..
I am so grateful to have had a lifetime of working with profound method.
Take care, Jo
On Oct 6, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Don Bushman <onedonbushman@gmail.com> wrote:
My memory is that your second story is the way it happened and that the total number of brainstormed issues was 5,000. We did not invent brainstorming however.
Don Bushman
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Hi, all,
I am in the final editing process of finishing the book Wayne started, Getting to the Bottom of ToP: The Foundations of ToP Methods.
In an introduction of the Consensus Workshop Method, Wayne had a paragraph that went: "One of Mathews’ firm beliefs was that the role of the church is to act out its faith in the world. The workshop method was, perhaps, the clearest step into the world in that it provided a practical way for any group in any context to examine a situation and form practical responses. The story goes that one of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City with a group of youth in and on the edges of criminal gangs." This is where his story ends. A couple of people editing the book asked “What is the rest of the story?”
Unfortunately, I don’t know what Wayne would have said, and I don’t know the rest of that particular story.
I’m thinking to replace that story with a story that I know about, but I need to check the specifics. This is what I currently have to replace Wayne’s sentence: "One of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City. A group of community leaders and ICA staff met to articulate the problems in the community. They started brainstorming problems until three huge blackboards were filled with hundreds of different problems. The group was overwhelmed and in despair. Someone said, “Let’s try to cluster similar problems together to see if we can see some patterns that will reveal some root problems. The clustering revealed about 20 root issues, and the group began to have a hope that perhaps they could address them.” Can anyone finish Wayne’s story, confirm my story and the details of it, or give me another succinct story of the earliest use of the brainstorming/clustering/ naming process? With gratitude, Jo Nelson
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Jo, I was not in the middle of workshopping to the degree that most of the folks who have responded to you were (if that is even a sentence😉) But I have always believed that the contradictions section is what is key and unique in our method and our work. Without getting to the bottom of contradictions, a group is simply program oriented. We were never that; our work always grew out of the contradictions. JWM sat with a group working on the 5th city model in the Lumumba room at 4750 Sheridan (I was not in the group) and hammered out the method that went on the road in establishing development projects around the world (where it got polished, as Marilyn said). Thanks for you work. We look forward to the published version. Doris Hahn On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Jo Nelson via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Thank you very much, Marilyn.
I am grateful for all the work you all have done in developing our work. I often tell the story from the Bayad consult of how you managed to turn the back of the room(actually a tent) into the front so the women were at the front of the room! A great demonstration of quick strategic thinking that set the tone for development in Bayad.
Wayne's intent with this book was not to write a history or freeze the methods in time. He realized that we were losing track of the deep philosophical roots of our methods, as the common memory was held in the heads of many of us growing older. He ferreted out the phenomenological and existential roots through conversations with old hands and lots and lots of research over several years. The week before he died he shared with me the chapter on phenomenology and for the first time I understood it.
He had not finished the chapters on how the core methods are are based on the phenomenological method. I have been working for years with transmitting the profound nature of our methods through our training programs, so I am finishing those chapters.
The intent is to give a new generation the foundations of ICA's methods so that we and they can continue to adapt and grow the methodology with integrity.
Because of all the contributions and editing from a wide range of people, I am hoping that people will find it easier to tackle the use of ICA's methods at a profoundly human level.
With gratitude, Jo
From the mobile desk of Jo Nelson
On Oct 6, 2016, at 9:20 PM, Marilyn Crocker <marilyncrocker@juno.com> wrote:
Hi Jo,
The Crockers have just moved a week ago, so there is not much time to read and respond to e-mail. However, if I might weigh in on the question of the origin of “our methods” – and I would recommend you talk with Sarah Buss and Aimee Hilliard before you print much, as they were there in the foundations of 3444 West Congress Parkway where the germs of the methods were initially refined.
Joe and I were married in 1967 (JWM officiated at Boston University’s Marsh Chapel where Joe did his M Div.) and we joined the Order as Interns in June 1968. When we left to do our first International Teaching Trek with David McCleskey in spring 1969 the “mode du jour” of strategic development was “battleplanning.” Brainstorming and organizing was in its nascent forms. That is what we shared with our colleagues in the ITIs in Singapore, Hong Kong, Jabalpur and Addis Ababa.
We (the OE) created the LCX booklets only just after 1970 and the Jabalpur ITI participants were the first to benefit. I remember clearly, since Chicago was unable to send the booklets to the participants for the final course, and Kaye Hayes and I began to dutifully type all that verbiage, under the direction of Joe Slicker, who had the day before sent a message to JWM in Chicago “May Day, May Day!” Only a fellow WW II vet would have understood.
When the Weigels and Crockers travelled with JWM to launch the first 8 of the initial 24 HDPs in 1975, the LENS, SP, ToPs processes were nascent at best. In fact, they built on what we developed in the field.
We (Jim, Judy, JWM, Joe, Marilyn, Lis, Garnet and others who trekked from site to site) fine-tuned and honed the process we inherited, project, after project after project. JWM assigned me to “watch me and write down what I am doing” – which led to the first HDP Consult Textbook. He asked Judy to capture and promote the design of what we were doing, that led to the charts in the HDP reports. He asked Joe to figure out how to get to the root causes beneath the issues and irritants and to express them as fundamental contradictions (that which contradicts the vision of a new reality). He asked Jim to transform the many tactics that had been generated from the Proposals Plenary (broad strategies) into doable actions that could be plotted on a one, then a two-year calendar.
And Jim invented the scatter cards (now used by many planning competitors) at the Jeju Consult.
And we labored for DAYS in Canberra (after Oombulgurri) to discern how to tease out the” actuating programmes” from the complex tactical programmes, not to speak of the “Anticipated Benefits” section of the document, which JWM insisted was critical. And we DID and now I believe him. That is was important. Joe and I loved working with Jim and Judy on these groundbreaking projects (which ultimately led to LENS, TOPs, etc.) that were originally born in the cauldron of “the village” the classroom, the church, the community, the local town hall..
I’m thinking of late that the “systemitization”( if that is even the right term) of our methods might be a gross simplification of, and even a demeaning of the power of “our methods.” How can we lay out the steps by steps for what we know is an organic process of transformation, and some one of us –who knows -- might be the catalyst.?
Grace, peace and love,
Marilyn and Joe Crocker
62 Charles Wesley Court
Wells, ME 04090
207-502-7737
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Don, the naming process is simple. Wayne came up with it one day and we all went Duh!
O. Read the cards in the column out loud.
R. What key words on the cards jump out at you?
I. Explore the insight behind this cluster -- what is the larger answer to the focus question that all these cards are pointing to?
D. Summarize the insight in a phrase that answers the focus question and write it on a card.
From the mobile desk of
Jo Nelson
On Oct 6, 2016, at 5:05 PM, James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> wrote:
As I remember the story, folks went around the 5th City community looking for the problems, all the problems (one of the 5th City presuppositions) and found 500 and some odd of them (there was a specific number that they found in the story) and these were the basis of the 5th City Model -- here is an excerpt from testimony on 5th City to the US Congress
"Second to imaginal education in import is the creation of the "grassroot" social construct. This begins with an inclusive analysis of the human problems in the area, the constant problem being a lack of adequate structures. In Fifth City a problem mat was constructed which identified over six hundred surface problem areas and organized them under five rubrics: economic, political, education, arts and life style."
You can find the 5th City Social model that resulted HERE.
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*From:* Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> *To:* Don Bushman <onedonbushman@gmail.com> *Cc:* Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> *Sent:* Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:28 PM *Subject:* Re: [Dialogue] Testing a story
Thank you, Don. This is very helpful. I had heard that it was 900 problems. Whatever it was, it was definitely overwhelming!
I know we did not invent brainstorming. However, we did invent gestalting the data — looking for larger patterns in the data rather than sorting into categories. And we added individual and small group brainstorming before group brainstorming, which addresses much of the current criticism that brainstorming as a group is not very effective.
We have also relatively recently added a simple focused conversation to do naming, which captures insightful results in a much shorter time.
And all of the method is an application of the deeper phenomenological method, which is where the magic of the process is…..
I am so grateful to have had a lifetime of working with profound method.
Take care,
Jo
On Oct 6, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Don Bushman <onedonbushman@gmail.com> wrote:
My memory is that your second story is the way it happened and that the total number of brainstormed issues was 5,000. We did not invent brainstorming however.
Don Bushman
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Jo Nelson via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Hi, all,
I am in the final editing process of finishing the book Wayne started, *Getting to the Bottom of ToP: The Foundations of ToP Methods.*
In an introduction of the Consensus Workshop Method, Wayne had a paragraph that went:
"One of Mathews’ firm beliefs was that the role of the church is to act out its faith in the world. The workshop method was, perhaps, the clearest step into the world in that it provided a practical way for any group in any context to examine a situation and form practical responses. The story goes that one of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City with a group of youth in and on the edges of criminal gangs."
This is where his story ends. A couple of people editing the book asked “What is the rest of the story?”
Unfortunately, I don’t know what Wayne would have said, and I don’t know the rest of that particular story.
I’m thinking to replace that story with a story that I know about, but I need to check the specifics.
This is what I currently have to replace Wayne’s sentence:
"One of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City. A group of community leaders and ICA staff met to articulate the problems in the community. They started brainstorming problems until three huge blackboards were filled with hundreds of different problems. The group was overwhelmed and in despair. Someone said, “Let’s try to cluster similar problems together to see if we can see some patterns that will reveal some root problems. The clustering revealed about 20 root issues, and the group began to have a hope that perhaps they could address them.”
Can anyone finish Wayne’s story, confirm my story and the details of it, or give me another succinct story of the earliest use of the brainstorming/clustering/ naming process?
With gratitude,
Jo Nelson
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Marilyn, This is even better than all the files that you didn't keep. Love and kindness, Sarah Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 6, 2016, at 8:20 PM, Marilyn Crocker via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Hi Jo,
The Crockers have just moved a week ago, so there is not much time to read and respond to e-mail. However, if I might weigh in on the question of the origin of “our methods” – and I would recommend you talk with Sarah Buss and Aimee Hilliard before you print much, as they were there in the foundations of 3444 West Congress Parkway where the germs of the methods were initially refined.
Joe and I were married in 1967 (JWM officiated at Boston University’s Marsh Chapel where Joe did his M Div.) and we joined the Order as Interns in June 1968. When we left to do our first International Teaching Trek with David McCleskey in spring 1969 the “mode du jour” of strategic development was “battleplanning.” Brainstorming and organizing was in its nascent forms. That is what we shared with our colleagues in the ITIs in Singapore, Hong Kong, Jabalpur and Addis Ababa.
We (the OE) created the LCX booklets only just after 1970 and the Jabalpur ITI participants were the first to benefit. I remember clearly, since Chicago was unable to send the booklets to the participants for the final course, and Kaye Hayes and I began to dutifully type all that verbiage, under the direction of Joe Slicker, who had the day before sent a message to JWM in Chicago “May Day, May Day!” Only a fellow WW II vet would have understood.
When the Weigels and Crockers travelled with JWM to launch the first 8 of the initial 24 HDPs in 1975, the LENS, SP, ToPs processes were nascent at best. In fact, they built on what we developed in the field.
We (Jim, Judy, JWM, Joe, Marilyn, Lis, Garnet and others who trekked from site to site) fine-tuned and honed the process we inherited, project, after project after project. JWM assigned me to “watch me and write down what I am doing” – which led to the first HDP Consult Textbook. He asked Judy to capture and promote the design of what we were doing, that led to the charts in the HDP reports. He asked Joe to figure out how to get to the root causes beneath the issues and irritants and to express them as fundamental contradictions (that which contradicts the vision of a new reality). He asked Jim to transform the many tactics that had been generated from the Proposals Plenary (broad strategies) into doable actions that could be plotted on a one, then a two-year calendar.
And Jim invented the scatter cards (now used by many planning competitors) at the Jeju Consult.
And we labored for DAYS in Canberra (after Oombulgurri) to discern how to tease out the” actuating programmes” from the complex tactical programmes, not to speak of the “Anticipated Benefits” section of the document, which JWM insisted was critical. And we DID and now I believe him. That is was important. Joe and I loved working with Jim and Judy on these groundbreaking projects (which ultimately led to LENS, TOPs, etc.) that were originally born in the cauldron of “the village” the classroom, the church, the community, the local town hall..
I’m thinking of late that the “systemitization”( if that is even the right term) of our methods might be a gross simplification of, and even a demeaning of the power of “our methods.” How can we lay out the steps by steps for what we know is an organic process of transformation, and some one of us –who knows -- might be the catalyst.?
Grace, peace and love,
Marilyn and Joe Crocker 62 Charles Wesley Court Wells, ME 04090
207-502-7737
From: Dialogue [mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jo Nelson via Dialogue Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 6:37 PM To: James Wiegel Cc: Colleague Dialogue Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Testing a story
Don, the naming process is simple. Wayne came up with it one day and we all went Duh!
O. Read the cards in the column out loud. R. What key words on the cards jump out at you? I. Explore the insight behind this cluster -- what is the larger answer to the focus question that all these cards are pointing to? D. Summarize the insight in a phrase that answers the focus question and write it on a card.
From the mobile desk of Jo Nelson
On Oct 6, 2016, at 5:05 PM, James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> wrote:
As I remember the story, folks went around the 5th City community looking for the problems, all the problems (one of the 5th City presuppositions) and found 500 and some odd of them (there was a specific number that they found in the story) and these were the basis of the 5th City Model -- here is an excerpt from testimony on 5th City to the US Congress
"Second to imaginal education in import is the creation of the "grassroot" social construct. This begins with an inclusive analysis of the human problems in the area, the constant problem being a lack of adequate structures. In Fifth City a problem mat was constructed which identified over six hundred surface problem areas and organized them under five rubrics: economic, political, education, arts and life style."
You can find the 5th City Social model that resulted HERE. Assets - Fifth City
Assets - Fifth City Links to further resources about Fifth City Village leader in rural India with pictu...
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From: Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Don Bushman <onedonbushman@gmail.com> Cc: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Testing a story
Thank you, Don. This is very helpful. I had heard that it was 900 problems. Whatever it was, it was definitely overwhelming!
I know we did not invent brainstorming. However, we did invent gestalting the data — looking for larger patterns in the data rather than sorting into categories. And we added individual and small group brainstorming before group brainstorming, which addresses much of the current criticism that brainstorming as a group is not very effective.
We have also relatively recently added a simple focused conversation to do naming, which captures insightful results in a much shorter time.
And all of the method is an application of the deeper phenomenological method, which is where the magic of the process is…..
I am so grateful to have had a lifetime of working with profound method.
Take care, Jo
On Oct 6, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Don Bushman <onedonbushman@gmail.com> wrote:
My memory is that your second story is the way it happened and that the total number of brainstormed issues was 5,000. We did not invent brainstorming however.
Don Bushman
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Hi, all,
I am in the final editing process of finishing the book Wayne started, Getting to the Bottom of ToP: The Foundations of ToP Methods.
In an introduction of the Consensus Workshop Method, Wayne had a paragraph that went: "One of Mathews’ firm beliefs was that the role of the church is to act out its faith in the world. The workshop method was, perhaps, the clearest step into the world in that it provided a practical way for any group in any context to examine a situation and form practical responses. The story goes that one of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City with a group of youth in and on the edges of criminal gangs." This is where his story ends. A couple of people editing the book asked “What is the rest of the story?”
Unfortunately, I don’t know what Wayne would have said, and I don’t know the rest of that particular story.
I’m thinking to replace that story with a story that I know about, but I need to check the specifics. This is what I currently have to replace Wayne’s sentence: "One of the first uses of the method was in the West Side of Chicago community development project called 5th City. A group of community leaders and ICA staff met to articulate the problems in the community. They started brainstorming problems until three huge blackboards were filled with hundreds of different problems. The group was overwhelmed and in despair. Someone said, “Let’s try to cluster similar problems together to see if we can see some patterns that will reveal some root problems. The clustering revealed about 20 root issues, and the group began to have a hope that perhaps they could address them.” Can anyone finish Wayne’s story, confirm my story and the details of it, or give me another succinct story of the earliest use of the brainstorming/clustering/ naming process? With gratitude, Jo Nelson
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