Re: [Dialogue] 2 questions about the other world in the midst of this world
Bud asked ( and Jim dodged) this question: "How is the claim of "encountering another world” related to the Gospel?" Anyone?? I am still hoping for a recording of “The Mys’try is Everywhere” Anyone? Jim Wiegel “…the long work of turning their lives into a celebration is not easy. Come and let us talk“. The Sunflowers. Mary Oliver
On Apr 12, 2025, at 8:15 AM, rev.bud@mac.com wrote:
"How is the claim of "encountering another world” related to the Gospel?"
My immediate thought is that it’s related the same way that any other construct is related to ‘the gospel.’ The underlying ‘yes’ that penetrates illusions (hamartia – translated as ‘sin’ – literally means to miss the mark), and calls for new mindedness (metanoia translated as ‘repent’ is literally ‘new mind’) and leads to compassion and responsibility to God for all things is the presence in all things. The ‘other world’ is the language we used to describe the range of consciousness and experiences in which we either trust in that ‘yes,’ or do not. Grounding that in a child’s death, or the political changes around us, or in Kaz’s poetry is not the same as setting litmus test boundaries for the legalistic use of symbolic language that fits a procrustean bed of formal categories. FWIW. Bill From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> On Behalf Of James Wiegel via Dialogue Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2025 9:34 AM To: rev.bud@mac.com Cc: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com>; Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; Order Community <oe@wedgeblade.net> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] 2 questions about the other world in the midst of this world Bud asked ( and Jim dodged) this question: "How is the claim of "encountering another world” related to the Gospel?" Anyone?? I am still hoping for a recording of “The Mys’try is Everywhere” Anyone? Jim Wiegel “…the long work of turning their lives into a celebration is not easy. Come and let us talk“. The Sunflowers. Mary Oliver On Apr 12, 2025, at 8:15 AM, rev.bud@mac.com <mailto:rev.bud@mac.com> wrote: "How is the claim of "encountering another world” related to the Gospel?" -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: This transmission may contain confidential information belonging to the sender that is legally privileged and proprietary and may be subject to protection under the law, including the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA). If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you
Wow, that is pretty helpful, Bill Dick On Sat, Apr 12, 2025 at 1:01 PM Bill Schlesinger via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
My immediate thought is that it’s related the same way that any other construct is related to ‘the gospel.’ The underlying ‘yes’ that penetrates illusions (hamartia – translated as ‘sin’ – literally means to miss the mark), and calls for new mindedness (metanoia translated as ‘repent’ is literally ‘new mind’) and leads to compassion and responsibility to God for all things is the presence in all things. The ‘other world’ is the language we used to describe the range of consciousness and experiences in which we either trust in that ‘yes,’ or do not.
Grounding that in a child’s death, or the political changes around us, or in Kaz’s poetry is not the same as setting litmus test boundaries for the legalistic use of symbolic language that fits a procrustean bed of formal categories.
FWIW.
Bill
*From:* Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> *On Behalf Of *James Wiegel via Dialogue *Sent:* Saturday, April 12, 2025 9:34 AM *To:* rev.bud@mac.com *Cc:* James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com>; Colleague Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; Order Community <oe@wedgeblade.net> *Subject:* Re: [Dialogue] 2 questions about the other world in the midst of this world
Bud asked ( and Jim dodged) this question: "How is the claim of "encountering another world” related to the Gospel?"
Anyone??
I am still hoping for a recording of “The Mys’try is Everywhere”
Anyone?
Jim Wiegel
“…the long work of turning their lives into a celebration is not easy. Come and let us talk“.
The Sunflowers. Mary Oliver
On Apr 12, 2025, at 8:15 AM, rev.bud@mac.com wrote:
"How is the claim of "encountering another world” related to the Gospel?"
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