"TWO POEMS FROM THIS MORNING A Ritual to Read to Each Other" by William Stafford If you don't know the kind of person I am and I don't know the kind of person you are a pattern that others made may prevail in the world and following the wrong god home we may miss our star. For there is many a small betrayal in the mind, a shrug that lets the fragile sequence break sending with shouts the horrible errors of childhood storming out to play through the broken dike. And as elephants parade holding each elephant's tail, but if one wanders the circus won't find the park, I call it cruel and maybe the root of all cruelty to know what occurs but not recognize the fact. And so I appeal to a voice, to something shadowy, a remote important region in all who talk: though we could fool each other, we should consider— lest the parade of our mutual life get lost in the dark. For it is important that awake people be awake, or a breaking line may discourage them back to sleep; the signals we give — yes or no, or maybe — should be clear: the darkness around us is deep. Deeply grateful to Helen Gerhardt for this: ............................ I know, I know If you could go back you would walk with Jesus You would march with King Maybe assassinate Hitler At least hide Jews in your basement It would all be clear to you But people then, just like you were baffled, had bills to pay and children they didn’t understand and they too were so desperate for normalcy they made anything normal Even turning everything inside out Even killing, and killing, and it’s easy for turning the other cheek to be looking the other way, for walking to be talking, and they hid in their houses and watched it on television, when they had television, and wrung their hands or didn’t, and your hands are just like theirs. Lined, permeable, small, and you would follow Caesar, and quote McCarthy, and Hoover, and you would want to make Germany great again Because you are afraid, and your parents are sick, and your job pays s@$t and where’s your dignity? Just a little dignity and those kids sitting down in the highway, and chaining themselves to buildings, what’s their f@*#king problem? And that kid That’s King. And this is Selma. And Berlin. And Jerusalem. And now is when they need you to be brave. Now is when we need you to go back and forget everything you know and give up the things you’re chained to and make it look so easy in your grandkids’ history books (they should still have them, kinehora) Now is when it will all be clear to them. ~Danny Bryck Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com "We are no longer living in an era of change. We are living in a change of era." Francis Upcoming public course opportunities click here http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=10 For online registration go to http://www.top-training.net The AZ ToP® Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday, 1-4 pm, starting again on Sept 5th at ACYR, 648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003 AICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP® courses
Thank you, Jim. These poems add to my armor as I pray for courage. I will share them with my local groups. Nancy Trask From: "James Wiegel via OE" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: "Colleague Dialogue" <dialogue@wedgeblade.net>, "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 9:05:34 AM Subject: [Oe List ...] Some poems "TWO POEMS FROM THIS MORNING A Ritual to Read to Each Other" by William Stafford If you don't know the kind of person I am and I don't know the kind of person you are a pattern that others made may prevail in the world and following the wrong god home we may miss our star. For there is many a small betrayal in the mind, a shrug that lets the fragile sequence break sending with shouts the horrible errors of childhood storming out to play through the broken dike. And as elephants parade holding each elephant's tail, but if one wanders the circus won't find the park, I call it cruel and maybe the root of all cruelty to know what occurs but not recognize the fact. And so I appeal to a voice, to something shadowy, a remote important region in all who talk: though we could fool each other, we should consider— lest the parade of our mutual life get lost in the dark. For it is important that awake people be awake, or a breaking line may discourage them back to sleep; the signals we give — yes or no, or maybe — should be clear: the darkness around us is deep. Deeply grateful to Helen Gerhardt for this: ............................ I know, I know If you could go back you would walk with Jesus You would march with King Maybe assassinate Hitler At least hide Jews in your basement It would all be clear to you But people then, just like you were baffled, had bills to pay and children they didn’t understand and they too were so desperate for normalcy they made anything normal Even turning everything inside out Even killing, and killing, and it’s easy for turning the other cheek to be looking the other way, for walking to be talking, and they hid in their houses and watched it on television, when they had television, and wrung their hands or didn’t, and your hands are just like theirs. Lined, permeable, small, and you would follow Caesar, and quote McCarthy, and Hoover, and you would want to make Germany great again Because you are afraid, and your parents are sick, and your job pays s@$t and where’s your dignity? Just a little dignity and those kids sitting down in the highway, and chaining themselves to buildings, what’s their f@*#king problem? And that kid That’s King. And this is Selma. And Berlin. And Jerusalem. And now is when they need you to be brave. Now is when we need you to go back and forget everything you know and give up the things you’re chained to and make it look so easy in your grandkids’ history books (they should still have them, kinehora) Now is when it will all be clear to them. ~Danny Bryck Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com " We are no longer living in an era of change. We are living in a change of era." Francis Upcoming public course opportunities click here http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=10 For online registration go to http://www.top-training.net The AZ ToP® Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday, 1-4 pm , starting again on Sept 5th at ACYR, 648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003 AICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP® courses _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
truth in re-posting. The two poems I sent around came to me on Facebook this morning. From Elizabeth Landers Engleman and Carol Poole. So nice to have friends . . . Jim Wiegel “If you want an adventure . . . what a time to be alive!”. Joanna Macy 401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353623-363-3277jfwiegel@yahoo.comwww.partnersinparticipation.com Upcoming ToP training opportunities in Arizona More info on: ToP® Facilitation Methods ToP® Strategic Planning: Mastering the Technology of Participation Register on line / see the ToP National ScheduleAICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP® courses The AZ ToP® Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday, of every month, 1-4 pm, at ACYR, 648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003 From: NANCY TRASK Owner <nancy50273@centurylink.net> To: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com>; Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@wedgeblade.net> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Some poems #yiv6530742593 p {margin:0;}Thank you, Jim. These poems add to my armor as I pray for courage. I will share them with my local groups.Nancy Trask From: "James Wiegel via OE" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>To: "Colleague Dialogue" <dialogue@wedgeblade.net>, "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 9:05:34 AM Subject: [Oe List ...] Some poems "TWO POEMS FROM THIS MORNING A Ritual to Read to Each Other" by William Stafford If you don't know the kind of person I am and I don't know the kind of person you are a pattern that others made may prevail in the world and following the wrong god home we may miss our star. For there is many a small betrayal in the mind, a shrug that lets the fragile sequence break sending with shouts the horrible errors of childhood storming out to play through the broken dike. And as elephants parade holding each elephant's tail, but if one wanders the circus won't find the park, I call it cruel and maybe the root of all cruelty to know what occurs but not recognize the fact. And so I appeal to a voice, to something shadowy, a remote important region in all who talk: though we could fool each other, we should consider—lest the parade of our mutual life get lost in thedark. For it is important that awake people be awake,or a breaking line may discourage them back to sleep; the signals we give — yes or no, or maybe —should be clear: the darkness around us is deep. Deeply grateful to Helen Gerhardt for this: ............................ I know, I knowIf you could go back youwould walk with JesusYou would march with KingMaybe assassinate HitlerAt least hide Jews in your basementIt would all be clear to youBut people then, just like youwere baffled, had billsto pay and children they didn’tunderstand and they toowere so desperate for normalcythey made anything normalEven turning everything inside outEven killing, and killing, and it’s easyfor turning the other cheekto be looking the other way, for walkingto be talking, and they hidin their housesand watched it on television, when they had television,and wrung their handsor didn’t, and your handsare just like theirs. Lined, permeable,small, and youwould follow Caesar, and quote McCarthy, and Hoover, and you would wantto make Germany great againBecause you are afraid, and yourparents are sick, and yourjob pays s@$t and where’s yourdignity? Just a little dignity and those kids sitting down in the highway,and chaining themselves tobuildings, what’s their f@*#king problem? And that kidThat’s King. And this is Selma. And Berlin. And Jerusalem. And nowis when they need you to be brave.Nowis when we need you to go backand forget everything you knowand give up the things you’re chained toand make it look so easy in yourgrandkids’ history books (they should still have them, kinehora)Nowis when it will all be clear to them.~Danny Bryck Jim Wiegel401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277jfwiegel@yahoo.comwww.partnersinparticipation.com "We are no longer living in an era of change. We are living in a change of era." Francis Upcoming public course opportunities click herehttp://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=10For online registration go to http://www.top-training.net The AZ ToP® Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday, 1-4 pm, starting again on Sept 5th at ACYR, 648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003AICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP® courses _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
Thank you to Carol and Elizabeth, and to the poets! Nancy Trask ----- Original Message ----- From: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> To: NANCY TRASK Owner <nancy50273@centurylink.net>, Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@wedgeblade.net> Sent: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 13:19:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Some poems truth in re-posting. The two poems I sent around came to me on Facebook this morning. From Elizabeth Landers Engleman and Carol Poole. So nice to have friends . . . Jim Wiegel “If you want an adventure . . . what a time to be alive!”. Joanna Macy 401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353623-363-3277jfwiegel@yahoo.comwww.partnersinparticipation.com Upcoming ToP training opportunities in Arizona More info on: ToP® Facilitation Methods ToP® Strategic Planning: Mastering the Technology of Participation Register on line / see the ToP National ScheduleAICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP® courses The AZ ToP® Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday, of every month, 1-4 pm, at ACYR, 648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003 From: NANCY TRASK Owner <nancy50273@centurylink.net> To: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com>; Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@wedgeblade.net> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Some poems #yiv6530742593 p {margin:0;}Thank you, Jim. These poems add to my armor as I pray for courage. I will share them with my local groups.Nancy Trask From: "James Wiegel via OE" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>To: "Colleague Dialogue" <dialogue@wedgeblade.net>, "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 9:05:34 AM Subject: [Oe List ...] Some poems "TWO POEMS FROM THIS MORNING A Ritual to Read to Each Other" by William Stafford If you don't know the kind of person I am and I don't know the kind of person you are a pattern that others made may prevail in the world and following the wrong god home we may miss our star. For there is many a small betrayal in the mind, a shrug that lets the fragile sequence break sending with shouts the horrible errors of childhood storming out to play through the broken dike. And as elephants parade holding each elephant's tail, but if one wanders the circus won't find the park, I call it cruel and maybe the root of all cruelty to know what occurs but not recognize the fact. And so I appeal to a voice, to something shadowy, a remote important region in all who talk: though we could fool each other, we should consider—lest the parade of our mutual life get lost in thedark. For it is important that awake people be awake,or a breaking line may discourage them back to sleep; the signals we give — yes or no, or maybe —should be clear: the darkness around us is deep. Deeply grateful to Helen Gerhardt for this: ............................ I know, I knowIf you could go back youwould walk with JesusYou would march with KingMaybe assassinate HitlerAt least hide Jews in your basementIt would all be clear to youBut people then, just like youwere baffled, had billsto pay and children they didn’tunderstand and they toowere so desperate for normalcythey made anything normalEven turning everything inside outEven killing, and killing, and it’s easyfor turning the other cheekto be looking the other way, for walkingto be talking, and they hidin their housesand watched it on television, when they had television,and wrung their handsor didn’t, and your handsare just like theirs. Lined, permeable,small, and youwould follow Caesar, and quote McCarthy, and Hoover, and you would wantto make Germany great againBecause you are afraid, and yourparents are sick, and yourjob pays s@$t and where’s yourdignity? Just a little dignity and those kids sitting down in the highway,and chaining themselves tobuildings, what’s their f@*#king problem? And that kidThat’s King. And this is Selma. And Berlin. And Jerusalem. And nowis when they need you to be brave.Nowis when we need you to go backand forget everything you knowand give up the things you’re chained toand make it look so easy in yourgrandkids’ history books (they should still have them, kinehora)Nowis when it will all be clear to them.~Danny Bryck Jim Wiegel401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277jfwiegel@yahoo.comwww.partnersinparticipation.com "We are no longer living in an era of change. We are living in a change of era." Francis Upcoming public course opportunities click herehttp://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=10For online registration go to http://www.top-training.net The AZ ToP® Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday, 1-4 pm, starting again on Sept 5th at ACYR, 648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003AICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP® courses _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
I just returned from powerful Mindfulness Retreat by Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe Ward. Thinking about how to start with love and gratefulness, I took a drive through the Winterset cemetery. And the new gravestone for Charles Moore gave me pause. A slave who followed the north star, he lived in Winterset for several years, became a businessman here. I've seen his name occasionally in the historic local paper, with a horse for sale or other various reasons. Our historians were recently able to identify the grave and raised money for a new marker. Then I paused at the marker for Thankful Robbins, at first because I was pondering gratefulness, and wondering how much impact it would have on your life to have the given name of Thankful. Then I recalled that this was the woman who bumped into George Washington Carver at the south edge of Winterset. He had walked north from KS after being turned away by a college that had earlier accepted him for admission, but changed their mind. He was ill, and Thankful was good with natural remedies, and took him in to nurse him. He eventually opened a laundry and lived in town for a couple of years before going onward to Simpson College with less than a dollar in his pocket. The Dr. Milholland family had befriended him and encouraged him to go on to college. I'm continuing to ponder the phrase "start with love, start with thankfulness." I would say that Thankful was able to start with love. I'm grateful for my local and global community and their history. May it guide us to ever more humane and inclusive decisions. Just offering up my musings of the evening here in the Heartland. Nancy Trask Winterset IA
Thank you. On Jan 29, 2017 7:49 PM, "NANCY TRASK Owner via OE" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
I just returned from powerful Mindfulness Retreat by Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe Ward. Thinking about how to start with love and gratefulness, I took a drive through the Winterset cemetery. And the new gravestone for Charles Moore gave me pause. A slave who followed the north star, he lived in Winterset for several years, became a businessman here. I've seen his name occasionally in the historic local paper, with a horse for sale or other various reasons. Our historians were recently able to identify the grave and raised money for a new marker. Then I paused at the marker for Thankful Robbins, at first because I was pondering gratefulness, and wondering how much impact it would have on your life to have the given name of Thankful. Then I recalled that this was the woman who bumped into George Washington Carver at the south edge of Winterset. He had walked north from KS after being turned away by a college that had earlier accepted him for admission, but changed their mind . He was ill, and Thankful was good with natural remedies, and took him in to nurse him. He eventually opened a laundry and lived in town for a couple of years before going onward to Simpson College with less than a dollar in his pocket. The Dr. Milholland family had befriended him and encouraged him to go on to college. I'm continuing to ponder the phrase "start with love, start with thankfulness." I would say that Thankful was able to start with love. I'm grateful for my local and global community and their history. May it guide us to ever more humane and inclusive decisions. Just offering up my musings of the evening here in the Heartland. Nancy Trask Winterset IA _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
Thankfull for your post, Nancy. Ellie elliestock@aol.com Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -----Original Message----- From: NANCY TRASK Owner via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com>; Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@wedgeblade.net> Sent: Sun, Jan 29, 2017 06:49 PM Subject: [Dialogue] Start with love, start with gratefulness I just returned from powerful Mindfulness Retreat by Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe Ward. Thinking about how to start with love and gratefulness, I took a drive through the Winterset cemetery. And the new gravestone for Charles Moore gave me pause. A slave who followed the north star, he lived in Winterset for several years, became a businessman here. I've seen his name occasionally in the historic local paper, with a horse for sale or other various reasons. Our historians were recently able to identify the grave and raised money for a new marker. Then I paused at the marker for Thankful Robbins, at first because I was pondering gratefulness, and wondering how much impact it would have on your life to have the given name of Thankful. Then I recalled that this was the woman who bumped into George Washington Carver at the south edge of Winterset. He had walked north from KS after being turned away by a college that had earlier accepted him for admission, but changed their mind . He was ill, and Thankful was good with natural remedies, and took him in to nurse him. He eventually opened a laundry and lived in town for a couple of years before going onward to Simpson College with less than a dollar in his pocket. The Dr. Milholland family had befriended him and encouraged him to go on to college. I'm continuing to ponder the phrase "start with love, start with thankfulness." I would say that Thankful was able to start with love. I'm grateful for my local and global community and their history. May it guide us to ever more humane and inclusive decisions. Just offering up my musings of the evening here in the Heartland. Nancy Trask Winterset IA _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list <a href="mailto:Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net">Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a> <a href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net</a>
Thank you for that, Nancy. A great mantra: "star with love, start with thankfulness.” Seth T. Longacre Carlsbad, CA ———-O0ooo— ———–(——)— ————)–-/—- ————(_/- —-ooo0O—- —-(——)—- —–\-–(– ——\_)-
On 29 Jan, 2017, at 16:49 , NANCY TRASK Owner via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
I just returned from powerful Mindfulness Retreat by Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe Ward. Thinking about how to start with love and gratefulness, I took a drive through the Winterset cemetery. And the new gravestone for Charles Moore gave me pause. A slave who followed the north star, he lived in Winterset for several years, became a businessman here. I've seen his name occasionally in the historic local paper, with a horse for sale or other various reasons. Our historians were recently able to identify the grave and raised money for a new marker. Then I paused at the marker for Thankful Robbins, at first because I was pondering gratefulness, and wondering how much impact it would have on your life to have the given name of Thankful. Then I recalled that this was the woman who bumped into George Washington Carver at the south edge of Winterset. He had walked north from KS after being turned away by a college that had earlier accepted him for admission, but changed their mind . He was ill, and Thankful was good with natural remedies, and took him in to nurse him. He eventually opened a laundry and lived in town for a couple of years before going onward to Simpson College with less than a dollar in his pocket. The Dr. Milholland family had befriended him and encouraged him to go on to college. I'm continuing to ponder the phrase "start with love, start with thankfulness." I would say that Thankful was able to start with love. I'm grateful for my local and global community and their history. May it guide us to ever more humane and inclusive decisions. Just offering up my musings of the evening here in the Heartland. Nancy Trask Winterset IA _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
Thank you Nancy. Powerful and oh, so pertinent. Sent from my iPad
On Jan 29, 2017, at 6:49 PM, NANCY TRASK Owner via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
I just returned from powerful Mindfulness Retreat by Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe Ward. Thinking about how to start with love and gratefulness, I took a drive through the Winterset cemetery. And the new gravestone for Charles Moore gave me pause. A slave who followed the north star, he lived in Winterset for several years, became a businessman here. I've seen his name occasionally in the historic local paper, with a horse for sale or other various reasons. Our historians were recently able to identify the grave and raised money for a new marker. Then I paused at the marker for Thankful Robbins, at first because I was pondering gratefulness, and wondering how much impact it would have on your life to have the given name of Thankful. Then I recalled that this was the woman who bumped into George Washington Carver at the south edge of Winterset. He had walked north from KS after being turned away by a college that had earlier accepted him for admission, but changed their mind . He was ill, and Thankful was good with natural remedies, and took him in to nurse him. He eventually opened a laundry and lived in town for a couple of years before going onward to Simpson College with less than a dollar in his pocket. The Dr. Milholland family had befriended him and encouraged him to go on to college. I'm continuing to ponder the phrase "start with love, start with thankfulness." I would say that Thankful was able to start with love. I'm grateful for my local and global community and their history. May it guide us to ever more humane and inclusive decisions. Just offering up my musings of the evening here in the Heartland. Nancy Trask Winterset IA _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net
Thank for re-posting - they were our reading/conversation at dinner today. Ellen Rebstock On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 12:19 PM, James Wiegel via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
truth in re-posting. The two poems I sent around came to me on Facebook this morning. From Elizabeth Landers Engleman and Carol Poole. So nice to have friends . . .
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Thank you, Jim. These poems add to my armor as I pray for courage. I will share them with my local groups. Nancy Trask
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"TWO POEMS FROM THIS MORNING
A Ritual to Read to Each Other" by William Stafford
If you don't know the kind of person I am and I don't know the kind of person you are a pattern that others made may prevail in the world and following the wrong god home we may miss our star.
For there is many a small betrayal in the mind, a shrug that lets the fragile sequence break sending with shouts the horrible errors of childhood storming out to play through the broken dike.
And as elephants parade holding each elephant's tail, but if one wanders the circus won't find the park, I call it cruel and maybe the root of all cruelty to know what occurs but not recognize the fact.
And so I appeal to a voice, to something shadowy, a remote important region in all who talk: though we could fool each other, we should consider— lest the parade of our mutual life get lost in the dark.
For it is important that awake people be awake, or a breaking line may discourage them back to sleep; the signals we give — yes or no, or maybe — should be clear: the darkness around us is deep.
Deeply grateful to Helen Gerhardt for this: ............................ I know, I know If you could go back you would walk with Jesus You would march with King Maybe assassinate Hitler At least hide Jews in your basement It would all be clear to you But people then, just like you were baffled, had bills to pay and children they didn’t understand and they too were so desperate for normalcy they made anything normal Even turning everything inside out Even killing, and killing, and it’s easy for turning the other cheek to be looking the other way, for walking to be talking, and they hid in their houses and watched it on television, when they had television, and wrung their hands or didn’t, and your hands are just like theirs. Lined, permeable, small, and you would follow Caesar, and quote McCarthy, and Hoover, and you would want to make Germany great again Because you are afraid, and your parents are sick, and your job pays s@$t and where’s your dignity? Just a little dignity and those kids sitting down in the highway, and chaining themselves to buildings, what’s their f@*#king problem? And that kid That’s King. And this is Selma. And Berlin. And Jerusalem. And now is when they need you to be brave. Now is when we need you to go back and forget everything you know and give up the things you’re chained to and make it look so easy in your grandkids’ history books (they should still have them, kinehora) Now is when it will all be clear to them. ~Danny Bryck
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Jim, Many thanks for these poems that speak so clearly -- we shared them with our UCC congregation. Minneapolis progressives met at Shiloh Temple (a Black church) on Saturday, Jan. 28. They hoped for 1,000, but 2,000 people showed up from ISAIAH churches (known as Gamaliel in Chicago) this weekend, along with our Sen. Al Franken and Mayor Betsy Hodges to address our most pressing issues at the state level with empowered force. Wonderful to see Latinos show up along with many Muslims, Catholics, Jews, Protestants, black and white all coming together on the issues of affordable health care, affordable housing, increasing the minimum wage, quality early education for all, providing sanctuary for people threatened by deportation, and more. Such solidarity among these groups I've never seen before! Local congregations coming together in an ecumenical way -- this is the face of hope in these times. --Joyce Bonafield-Pierce bonafieldcohort26@gmail.com On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 12:19 PM, James Wiegel via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
truth in re-posting. The two poems I sent around came to me on Facebook this morning. From Elizabeth Landers Engleman and Carol Poole. So nice to have friends . . .
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Thank you, Jim. These poems add to my armor as I pray for courage. I will share them with my local groups. Nancy Trask
*From: *"James Wiegel via OE" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> *To: *"Colleague Dialogue" <dialogue@wedgeblade.net>, "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> *Sent: *Sunday, January 29, 2017 9:05:34 AM *Subject: *[Oe List ...] Some poems
"TWO POEMS FROM THIS MORNING
A Ritual to Read to Each Other" by William Stafford
If you don't know the kind of person I am and I don't know the kind of person you are a pattern that others made may prevail in the world and following the wrong god home we may miss our star.
For there is many a small betrayal in the mind, a shrug that lets the fragile sequence break sending with shouts the horrible errors of childhood storming out to play through the broken dike.
And as elephants parade holding each elephant's tail, but if one wanders the circus won't find the park, I call it cruel and maybe the root of all cruelty to know what occurs but not recognize the fact.
And so I appeal to a voice, to something shadowy, a remote important region in all who talk: though we could fool each other, we should consider— lest the parade of our mutual life get lost in the dark.
For it is important that awake people be awake, or a breaking line may discourage them back to sleep; the signals we give — yes or no, or maybe — should be clear: the darkness around us is deep.
Deeply grateful to Helen Gerhardt for this: ............................ I know, I know If you could go back you would walk with Jesus You would march with King Maybe assassinate Hitler At least hide Jews in your basement It would all be clear to you But people then, just like you were baffled, had bills to pay and children they didn’t understand and they too were so desperate for normalcy they made anything normal Even turning everything inside out Even killing, and killing, and it’s easy for turning the other cheek to be looking the other way, for walking to be talking, and they hid in their houses and watched it on television, when they had television, and wrung their hands or didn’t, and your hands are just like theirs. Lined, permeable, small, and you would follow Caesar, and quote McCarthy, and Hoover, and you would want to make Germany great again Because you are afraid, and your parents are sick, and your job pays s@$t and where’s your dignity? Just a little dignity and those kids sitting down in the highway, and chaining themselves to buildings, what’s their f@*#king problem? And that kid That’s King. And this is Selma. And Berlin. And Jerusalem. And now is when they need you to be brave. Now is when we need you to go back and forget everything you know and give up the things you’re chained to and make it look so easy in your grandkids’ history books (they should still have them, kinehora) Now is when it will all be clear to them. ~Danny Bryck
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Hi Joyce, Thanks for the Minneapolis update. Ellie elliestock@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Joy Bonafield via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com>; Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2017 11:04 am Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Some poems Jim, Many thanks for these poems that speak so clearly -- we shared them with our UCC congregation. Minneapolis progressives met at Shiloh Temple (a Black church) on Saturday, Jan. 28. They hoped for 1,000, but 2,000 people showed up from ISAIAH churches (known as Gamaliel in Chicago) this weekend, along with our Sen. Al Franken and Mayor Betsy Hodges to address our most pressing issues at the state level with empowered force. Wonderful to see Latinos show up along with many Muslims, Catholics, Jews, Protestants, black and white all coming together on the issues of affordable health care, affordable housing, increasing the minimum wage, quality early education for all, providing sanctuary for people threatened by deportation, and more. Such solidarity among these groups I've never seen before! Local congregations coming together in an ecumenical way -- this is the face of hope in these times. --Joyce Bonafield-Pierce bonafieldcohort26@gmail.com On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 12:19 PM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: truth in re-posting. The two poems I sent around came to me on Facebook this morning. From Elizabeth Landers Engleman and Carol Poole. So nice to have friends . . . Jim Wiegel “If you want an adventure . . . what a time to be alive!”. Joanna Macy 401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com Upcoming ToP training opportunities in Arizona More info on: ToP® Facilitation Methods ToP® Strategic Planning: Mastering the Technology of Participation Register on line / see the ToP National Schedule AICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP® courses The AZ ToP® Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday, of every month, 1-4 pm, at ACYR, 648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003 From: NANCY TRASK Owner <nancy50273@centurylink.net> To: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com>; Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@wedgeblade.net> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Some poems Thank you, Jim. These poems add to my armor as I pray for courage. I will share them with my local groups. Nancy Trask From: "James Wiegel via OE" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: "Colleague Dialogue" <dialogue@wedgeblade.net>, "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 9:05:34 AM Subject: [Oe List ...] Some poems "TWO POEMS FROM THIS MORNING A Ritual to Read to Each Other" by William Stafford If you don't know the kind of person I am and I don't know the kind of person you are a pattern that others made may prevail in the world and following the wrong god home we may miss our star. For there is many a small betrayal in the mind, a shrug that lets the fragile sequence break sending with shouts the horrible errors of childhood storming out to play through the broken dike. And as elephants parade holding each elephant's tail, but if one wanders the circus won't find the park, I call it cruel and maybe the root of all cruelty to know what occurs but not recognize the fact. And so I appeal to a voice, to something shadowy, a remote important region in all who talk: though we could fool each other, we should consider— lest the parade of our mutual life get lost in the dark. For it is important that awake people be awake, or a breaking line may discourage them back to sleep; the signals we give — yes or no, or maybe — should be clear: the darkness around us is deep. Deeply grateful to Helen Gerhardt for this: ............................ I know, I know If you could go back you would walk with Jesus You would march with King Maybe assassinate Hitler At least hide Jews in your basement It would all be clear to you But people then, just like you were baffled, had bills to pay and children they didn’t understand and they too were so desperate for normalcy they made anything normal Even turning everything inside out Even killing, and killing, and it’s easy for turning the other cheek to be looking the other way, for walking to be talking, and they hid in their houses and watched it on television, when they had television, and wrung their hands or didn’t, and your hands are just like theirs. Lined, permeable, small, and you would follow Caesar, and quote McCarthy, and Hoover, and you would want to make Germany great again Because you are afraid, and your parents are sick, and your job pays s@$t and where’s your dignity? Just a little dignity and those kids sitting down in the highway, and chaining themselves to buildings, what’s their f@*#king problem? And that kid That’s King. And this is Selma. And Berlin. And Jerusalem. And now is when they need you to be brave. Now is when we need you to go back and forget everything you know and give up the things you’re chained to and make it look so easy in your grandkids’ history books (they should still have them, kinehora) Now is when it will all be clear to them. ~Danny Bryck Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com "We are no longer living in an era of change. We are living in a change of era." Francis Upcoming public course opportunities click here http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=10 For online registration go to http://www.top-training.net The AZ ToP® Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday, 1-4 pm, starting again on Sept 5th at ACYR, 648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003 AICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP® courses _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net
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James Wiegel via Dialogue
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Joy Bonafield via Dialogue
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NANCY TRASK Owner via Dialogue
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Seth Longacre via Dialogue